Why I won't join the NRA

[Destroyer]

The NRA seems to be a half-hearted orginization. They are willing to compromise and even suggest their own gun legislation. I don't care how small I want ALL new proposed gun laws stopped, and see some of the old reversed. I will NOT join an orginization that pussy-foots around when standing up for my RIGHTS! I want a HARD-CORE gun rights group! Any suggestions?

[Necron99]

Try the JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership). They have a shirt with Hitler on the front doing a "Seig Heil" and a caption underneath that says "All those in favor of gun control raise your right hand". The back lists the benefits of gun control: Concentration Camps, Gulags, and Killing Fields. The typical response I get from people is the accusatory "What!? Are you a Nazi!?" In which case I make them read the quotation below and explain to them that the 1968 NFA was inspired by Nazi gun control laws and some parts of it were taken word for word from these Nazi laws to disarm jews, gypsies, political disidents etc. The JPFO has the documentation to back this up. Oops, whose the Nazi now? Most liberals get embarassed or angry when they find out that their stance on gun control is in sync with their archnemesis, the Nazis! They also can't stand the fact that there is a Jewish progun (and Zionist) organization. I ended my membership with the NRA for the same reasons. The NRA is all for the drug war which tramples on the 4th,5th,and 6th, amendment, plus uses the US military illegally against its own people. The NRA also likes to sound tough by supporting mandatory sentences when using a gun in a crime. What's the difference if someone kills and robs my neighbor with a gun or a baseball bat? My neighbor is still dead. The crime is murder, and the perpetrator should be punished for their actions. Politics is not about compromise, as many claim. The problem is there is nothing given back when the government takes away you're rights, but there is the illusion of safety for those cowards out there that are too lazy or afraid to take care of their family and loved ones. I personally am not afraid of any kind of private criminal activity because I have been a responsible citizen and do my part to enforce the peace. Most people in this country want to sit on their duffs, watch TV, and flee from any notion of responsibility for themselves and their fellow man. That's why America has so much ridiculous litigation going on, it's always somebody else's fault when something bad happens. The hippies had one thing right, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Unfortunately, the original spirit of republicanism is dead in this country, even up here in Montana. Whoops there I go again...sorry about the sermon Destroyer.

[colmac]

I don't like the idea of being on a "hit list" if the membership list ever fell into the wrong hands. How convenient that list would be to round up all those band weapons!

[LongDuck]

I also am not currently a member of the NRA because of their compromised stance on gun control. The very fact that they were willing to be shut down in Denver because of the situation there demonstrates that they are cognizant and fearful of the public opinion that arises from such decisions.

I want an RKBA group that is willing to stand up and say, "Hell, yes, I'm a gun-owner, and I'm proud of my decision to defend my country, protect my family and keep our Constitution intact for the future! - AND YOU SHOULD STAND UP, TOO!"

Instead, I'm relegated to *not* joining the NRA, and keeping quiet about my weekend activities around the workplace and in mixed company. I don't know how it ever happened, but somewhere along the line, it became socially unacceptable to value your life or your loved ones enough to kill somebody that wanted to do them harm.

When did that happen? Am I crazy for thinking that way? I'm certainly not going to step aside and let my wife get beaten or raped...

A social dilemma, by any angle.

[JA]

I'm a NRA life member and will be till I die.
I vote in every election and call my elected officals about gun legeslation. Do ya'll. Or is it I won't vote because so and so compramises on certian issues.
As far as the "hit list" goes,get a grip, if you have ever filled out a 4473 your on it Bubba.
You bitch about the NRA compramising and your "regulated" not to speak about your shooting around co-workers and mixed company. Your doing the same thing! Let me sound it out for you hip-o-crite. The NRA won't stand up and neither will you.
I tell anyone who asks that I went shooting on the weekend and damn proud of it. It strikes me as real funny that the ones who condem me as a gun nut always say that when civil unrest comes "I don't belive in guns but... I will come by your house for a gun and some bullets because I want to protect my family,home and posessions" My reply is "The only thing you will get from me is instructions on how to dail 911 because you don't belive in guns, right?" This will shut them up pretty quick.Makes them think too.
So if ya'll won't stand up why are you bitching about the NRA?
Join the NRA and vote to change it's stand to zero tolerence on 2nd amendment issues.

[This message has been edited by JA (edited May 13, 1999).]

[D.Ed]

Right on JA. These guys want to bitch but if they don't join NRA or GOA they are just a lone voice in the wind. Join, vote, write, email, call and most of all let everyone know who you are and what you do. Hiding the fact that you are a shooter implies guilt.

[Butt Plate]

I am a member of the NRA and plan to join GOA, GOC and JPFO when I get around to it. I will support any organization who might protect my right to own and carry a gun. I don't need to know that they will fight on my behalf. I said MIGHT! If they say they will try to find anti-gun laws, I will support them.

Here in the People's Democratic Republic of California, lead by Gray "Red" Davis and all his cronies such as "Pistol Packin' Don" Perata, "Gun Ban Dianne" Feinstein and "B-2 Barbara" Boxer, who all but Davis have CCW's as I understand, we have to pull out the stops. Leave no stone unturned.

The Clinton administration is in all-out war against lawful gun owners. DO NOT UNDER-ESTIMATE THE DAMAGE HE CAN DO IN THE SHORT TIME HE HAS LEFT.

We are at war. In war, you use every weapon at your disposal. Bullets that may or may not work are better than no bullets at all. I don't trust the NRA but never-the-less I have no choice but to give them my full support.

[Necron99]

The Gun Owners of America has an excellent stance on the 2nd Amendment. Check out their website at www.gunowners.org .

[Destroyer]

JA,
As far as my voting goes, I usually vote independant. I'd rather "throw my vote away" than submit to the crooked two party system. I vote in every election and I e-mail my Rep.
I still won't join the NRA, though. Any orginization that proposses new gun legislation, no matter how small, is no friend of ours. I personaly dislike their branching out cover other political topics because it means that less money is being spent on pro-gun things. (Don't like the constant junk in the mail either, but you get that with almost every org. you belong to. I can live with the junk mail if I have to.)

D.ED,
I aint bitchin'. I'm telling the reason I won't send what little money I have the NRA's way. I was also asking if there was any other gun org.s I could join so I wouldn't be a lone voice in the wind.

Necron99,
Thanks for the information on those two orginizations. Once I get a job (hope it will be next week) I will join them. I especially like the t-shirt by JPFO.

[zero]

Guy's, what we need to do is stick together, that is the only way to get thing's done, even if we all don't agree with each other's idea's that's fine, we're AMERICAN'S and we still have the right to choose what we want. I agree alittle with everyone here and i think that we should all do our part as responsible gun owner's, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, join all the organization's you can to protect our gun right's. I don't alway's agree wiyh the nra but at least they're still fighting and we should to. I've heard crap at work to about gun's but i don't care, and yes we live in a society that think's we are a bunch of crazy's and that is fine with me to, i still own a couple and probably alway's will. Remember one thing, it's all part of the program to disarm us, you can't control an armed person but you can enslave an unarmed person.

[TKK]

I guess I'm the only one here who's had a half way decent response at work for owning guns. I work in a fairly young (age wise) office place and am even bold enough to display the AK-47.net logo as my tiled wall paper on my computer. Funny enough, though, in doing so I learned that 3 others that work in the same office are AK owners, and have banned together since then. How's that for irony? In any event, I can see how frustrating each organization can be. It gets to the point of asking yourself, why join? I'm just gonna get screwed anyway? Unfortunately we are a rare breed...but so are exotic gun owners as well thanks to legislation. Bottom line, we are ALL gun owners because of one reason or another. If they DO decide to take them away from us, expect a revolution that be the end all to everything. It has nothing to do with paranoia; it has EVERYTHING to do with the constitution.

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[56s]

Hello,
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting as our faithful leaders continue to state.
NRA forever!

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[LongDuck]

Point taken, JA - you're making sense. I have been involved in our RKBA rights ever since finding the Bower's board, and write several e-mails a week to congressmen and legislators. I am acting because I want to help the cause, but until it gets a little more positive image, it's particularly damaging to profess your beliefs at work to anyone who will listen. This isn't being a hipocrite, as you put it.

If somebody asks me what I did on the weekend or what I'm doing, I tell them I'm going shooting - I have in the past, and it's gotten some funny looks, but I work in a particularly liberal Health Care company (which, as you can imagine, has some mixed feelings about gun ownership).

My point is that the 'stand-up-and-be-counted' mentality works great if there's something to stand up behind - up to now, the NRA is not something that I trust to stand behind. ButtPlate makes a good point, though, that anyone who supports RKBA is worth supporting - and I'm tending to agree.

This is a good discussion and I'm learning something - thanks, guys.

[Floyd]

The NRA needs all gun owners to join. When the anti-gunners and fence-sitters look at the NRA all they see is 2.8 million members with an estimated 70 million gun owners. Even the 2.8 million members don't agree on everything.

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Join the NRA!!!

A member of AR15.com posted this over there, I'd though you guys would like to read it also:
I had the opportunity to talk with Wayne LaPierre, NRA Exec. VP at a Friends of the NRA banquet last night. Despite a busy agenda, he took the time to talk about the Senate votes and the upcoming elections in 2000. I feel better about what has gone on in the Senate after hearing his side, as opposed to the half-truths leaked by the news media. After the first Gunshow amendment passed (voluntary checks), McCain and five other Republican Senators jumped ship and told NRA they were going to support the next Democrat amendment, offered by Lautenberg, that would have placed so many red tape requirements on gunshows, that in LaPierre's words, "Gunshows would have ceased to exist in our country." With the defections, the Lautenberg amendment would have passed. NRA then got back with Sen. Craig and convinced McCain and the others to vote for the mandatory check amendment. What the news media is not reporting is that the NRA got three key amendments added to this mandatory check, one of which is a lifetime exemption from Federal liability suits for any seller that uses the check system. This is a poison pill, as Clinton has vowed to veto the legislation if it contains such a provision. LaPierre says that the hope is that the Democrats will allow the whole bill to now die, negating the pre-ban mag importation ban as well as anything else already attached to the bill. This is good news, but it sets up 2000 as being a make or break election for gun owners, as the Democrats will make the gun vote a key issue. As far as the 2000 presidential candidates, LaPierre said that Elizabeth Dole made a collossal mistake in supporting gun control. Ditto for McCain. He said that George W. Bush is looking like the best compromise of ELECTABILITY and gun friendly policies. All in all, I was impressed with LaPierre. He told an aide to let a TV interview crew keep waiting so he could finish our conversation and sign a nice autograph inscription. A classy move in my opinion.

I'm not preticularly fond of NRA either, but they are the best hope we have for keeping our rights. The more members they have, the more clout they have when dealing with the legislature.

Join NRA,GOA,JPFO, and VOTE! http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif
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