Romak 3 Bipods?

[m3877]

I am looking into getting a Romak 3 and was wondering if anyone knew of a bipod that would be able to be used on this rifle. I have seen the "universal" clamp-ons that attach to the barrel, but wonder if it would change the barrel harmonics enough to affect accuracy? Does anyone have a bipod on their's and be able to give some feedback on it? Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

[ED4]

I don't have one on mine.

But anything you do that touches the barrel will effect accuracy. How much it is effected will depend on how much force is on it.

When I shoot mine I either put the bottom of the mag in the palm of my non shooting hand(held open flat and just set it in it) and shoot of I hold it by the trunion.

[Surly]

Don't buy in to the accuracy crap until you try it for yourself. Most of it is urban legend when it comes to these rifles. I have a clamp-on type that I installed on the barrel, behind the gas block and directly in front of the lower handguard retainer. It did not change the point of impact at all. I shoot out to ranges of 800+ meters with mine using the barrel attached bipod and it remains consistent even if I swap between the 4x and 8x scopes I have. For what they are, these rifles are truly amazing!

I would recommend using 148 gr. Wolf ammo as it has been the best I've found. These rifles are not going to be accurate with any bullet weights much over this. And remember, typically bullets fired out of these rifles don't stabilize until they reach about 200+ meters and that is why you don't get sub MOA groups at 100 meters. The longer the range you have to play around with these, the more impressed you will be.:D

[m3877]

Thanks for the info. I will probably give both routes a run. I really would like to go the bipod route and will probably get something along the lines of this one...

http://www.sksman.com/images/uniBipod02.jpg

As far as the bullet weight, everything I've read on these says to use nothing but the Wolf 148-grain. Also that Wolf primarily developed the 148-grain specifically for the Romak.

Thanks for the input, guys.

[Skeeter1]

get in touch with Tantal
he is getting in some svd bipods that attach to receiver

[m3877]

I took a look at those, but they attach to grooves on each side of the SVD receiver...


The Romak 3 uses a different receiver and has no grooves. That would have been the best method from what I can see, but the Romak's do not have that option.

[smokingman]

I have the "universal" type on my SSG97 right at the end of the stock and sighted the scope in BEFORE attaching the bipod. Absolutly no difference in my POI than before the bipod was on.
As was stated before, the farther away my target is the more consistant my groups are, using milsurp 148 grain & 158 grain boattail ammo.

These are good rifles for the price.

[georgez]

what do you think of a Harris bipod that attaches simply to a sling stud into the lower foregrip as close as posible to the receiver?
does anybody have any idea how you post photos into this thing?

[Otto Skorzeny]

georgez,

go to the top of the page, see the red button that says Photos?
click onto "my gallery"
Upload a pic. after it is uploaded, view it "Larger" right mouse clickon it , select prierties. See the name of the image is "Http://gunsnet.net/album/data/xxx/xxxxxyour_photo_name_here.jpg (or something similar) highlight it , right mouse click, select copy.

Edit your above post (or post again), while doing this, above the window there are some buttons (http://, @, IMG PHP, List, Quote) select IMG. in the eindow that pops up, right mouse button, paste. (you will see the image name in the box) then hit OK. This will put the p[icture into the post.

I am eager to see as I was thinking this the best method if one wanted a bipod (I personally try to use the rifle as it was intended) with part of the bipod mount actually on the receiver (as much as possible anyway). Remember that the wood is still touching the barrell at the retainer.

[Surly]

Okay, if these show up it will be a valuable lesson on where to put the bipod on a PSL. Bipod extended and folded, School's out!:D

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/12785psl2.jpg http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/12785psl1.jpg

[The FNG]

Surly:

What kind of bipod is that? NORINCO RPK folding?

Thanks

[Surly]

I'm not sure where I acquired it, but CDNN has one that is identical to it for $20. It attaches to the barrel using four socket head screws to retain the two-piece clamp. I had to change the springs that secure the clasps when extending the bipod. Other than that, not a problem.

Again, I had the rifle zeroed prior to installing this and the POI was not affected afterward. I think having it located as close to the hand guard as possible may be partially the reason why. These aren't target rifles; they are a long range anti-personnel rifle and are accurate enough to get that job done.

[The FNG]

Surly,

Got it. I have a "collection" of AK & SKS bipods that slip and slide on the barrel of my SSG-97. I've gat a B-square clamp on bipod on an SKS- attaches w/ two allen bolts. Hadn't tried it on the SSG, though.
Been using a sand bag rest and a 3x9x42M scope and it shoots just fine. It's not a sub-MOA rifle, but it sure is fun to shoot!

Thanks!

[georgez]

thanks for the answers guys.
the way I made mine was to drill a small hole in the lower foregrip, then I inlaid a nut on the inside into the wood, secured in place with epoxy adhesive, then I screwed in a sling stud and on that goes my Harris model "L" bipod that I swaped from my .308 Remington VLS. It is not touching the barrel, I made sure of that and I ground the stud accordingly. It could be only my opinion but I think the Harris looks better than the one that the commies intended for it. At least it resembles the best of both worlds - western bipod (Harris model "L") in eastern location (SVD Dragunov) plus with all due respect I think it makes more sense not to rest it on the barrel like "professor Surly" advises, but in the end I guess it's only a matter of "de gustibus, non disputandi". Anyway if you guys care check out my piece in the photo gallery top of the page, best I could do so far was to work on the wood a little bit and to buy a 3-9x42 russian scope which is exactly what the doctor odered for shots at 300m with 7.62x54R, 148gr. to be exact. Talk to you later!

[Surly]

I'm not advising it, I'm demanding it! Noncompliancy will result in me voting for democrats during the next election.

If you were going to go through so much trouble, the least you could have done was fitted it for a Versa-Pod. I have a nasty habit of breaking the Harris products, but have yet to destroy their successor.

As a side note: I the ban sunsets, I'm going to fit mine with a bayonet lug and only fire it with a bayonet fixed. I figure this should inevitably damn the accuracy of the rifle. Nothing I've done, thus far, has been able to accomplish that.:p

[Skeeter1]

Originally posted by Surly in SD
Nothing I've done, thus far, has been able to accomplish that.:p

you sure think highly of this rifle!
i may have to get one based on your commentd!
any suggestions as to whom i should honor with my $700
:D

[Skeeter1]

you sure think highly of this rifle!
i may have to get one based on your comments!
any suggestions as to whom i should honor with my $700
:D

[georgez]

To the future democrat, Surly!

Dude...I like my rifle a lot but you're either joking or Romanian and this is some cheap method of Romanian advertising! I mean the rifle is good but not that good! Not even for the price. If you think you're getting a cheap Dragunov, you won't. You really have to take a good look at what you're buying because I've seen some ugly ones out there: wood doesn't match, gas port is bent, rear sight is poorly machined,etc... The bayonet lug was intended to give the sniper another use for the rifle in case he' out of ammo and into a very hairy situation with some uninvited guests, other than dead weight that is. Have you tried carrying that rifle with that ugly thing (your original bipod) sticking out of it? Comfy, ain't it? Looks like school's back in, can you hear the bell? :D

[The FNG]

Surly:

Is this the bipod your describing?

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=7555922

Thanks again-

[Surly]

Originally posted by The FNG
Surly:

Is this the bipod your describing?

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=7555922

Thanks again-

That is the one. Here is the link to a fixed price that can't be out-bidded: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/bipunfolexst.html
Like I've said, I've had no problems with this set up and am not attempting to get into a pissing match wasting valuable band-width.
Which brings me to georgez: I'm not Romanian or joking (except for the demacrat thing; that will be a cold day in hell). I was skeptical about getting the rifle to begin with, but the more I use it the more fond of it I become. It is the only rifle I have with any optics whatsoever and I'm dumbfounded with its performance. We all share the commonality of owning one, which says more than the average naysayer that slags on them for the sheet-metal receiver, it not being a true Dragunov...you know the story. I'll be the first to say that trying for tight groups at 100 yds. is an exercize in futility. Unfortunately, some folks have only that distance to practice with and are limited in seeing what these will actually do at 1/2 mile or more. There's nothing like the feeling of firing the rifle, putting the reticle back on target and watching the bullet strike a second or two after that; especially when breaking all of the accuracy rules! Because of this, I will talk this rifle up as it has done for me; no more, no less.
I recently dropped in a RSA trigger group and can't wait to see how it performs now. I'll try to remember to take the dig. cam. out and share some of the precious moments with you guys the next time I go.

[The FNG]

Ordered one this morning. Can't wait to try it. Thanks for the link, Surly!

[Surly]

No problem, enjoy!

[Otto Skorzeny]

Originally posted by georgez
It could be only my opinion but I think the Harris looks better than the one that the commies intended for it. r!

The "Commies" never intended for it to have a bipod. And it is not really a "Sniper" rifle. It is for squad level long-er range suppressive fire. the cartridge has a "bit" (said jokingly) more effective reach than the 7,62 X 39 or the 5,45 X 39.

[mizlplick]

Guys: When I go out with my little cut-down FA AK, I get comments like "It's not even a real Krinkov" a lot. Even though it would cost the Yahoos $7000-8000 to duplicate (and they only own a scoped .22 bolt gun). Yes, I call it a Krinkov.

I own a Romak 3 and call it a "dragunov". It is just as entitled to the term as an NDM86 (The last time I looked they were not even soviet made). Terms become generic and descriptive of what the majority wants them to mean (scoped, semiauto, slim profile, wood stocked, rifle firing the 54R cartridge). Like "Monsoon", which weathermen use for the rainy season. (It really means windy season).


And, Yes, I consider a West Hurly Thompsen a "real" Thompsen also.

"There are two kinds of snob, the rich ones and the poor ones. Both are still snobs. Later, MPX

[Berg]

Wow, this thread sure got dug up from a deep grave.

Mizl, while I completely understand your sentiments, you should probably know this:
Dragunov was a guy and he invented the SVD. The NDM-86 is a Dragunov design that was bult in a Chinese factory and is an almost exact duplicate of an SVD. So when you call a ROMAK-3 a Dragunov it's like calling an M-16 a Garand. Your ROMAK-3 was invented by a guy named Kalashnikov, the same guy who invented your "Krinkov". You can call your rifles what you want, of course, just trying to give you some perspective.

BTW, does anyone know why we in the US call an AKS-74U a Krinkov? I've never been clear on that.

[mizlplick]

When looking for mags for my Romak3 this last weekend at a gunshow, I would ask the people "I am looking for 10 round mags for a PSL, romak 3 or SSG97 type gun." I was greeted with a blank look. If I asked for a Dragunov magazine, I did find two for the Romak 3. ($55.00 ea.)


Kalashnikov really did not invent the Romak 3. The Romainians "borrowed the AK gas system and took out a literary license on the caliber, front furniture, bolt hold open and several other things to come up with this rifle. Mr. K. hated anyone changing the rifle away from it's designed caliber.

I was just suggesting that it is sometimes easier and more commonly correct to just go with the flow.

I do know the difference, I have a Tiger. It is not a Dragunov either, but a sporterized version. The true Drag is the military model, which is almost impossible to aquire.

BTW: Both rifles shoot almost the same. OK, when cool, but walk all over when warm. MPX

[GUNSMOKE]

The SVD BI-POD will not attach to the Romanian rifle as the receivers are different.

Sheeter stay off the Chivas when typing ;)


from 1 that knows

:p

[gunnysmith]

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