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Optimus Prime
02-10-2003, 10:14 PM
The AN-94 Assault Rifle.
I think since this is the next generation Russian rifle, it ought to have at least it's own thread if not it's own forum.
Please submit all links, photos, ideas, and opinions of this weapon. Little is known about the AN-94 here in the west so I figure AK-47.net should be the best place to compile information on this interesting rifle.
http://club.guns.ru/eng/abakan.html
http://weapons.0golf.com/firearms/abakan.htm
http://www.guns.ru/rus/abakan.html
http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0800/828.htm
Negative Creep
02-11-2003, 04:07 PM
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/posts/img/an94_39.jpg
Here are couple more links
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/posts/img/an94_39.jpg
http://www.star.co.yu/armtech/pages/tekst007.htm
makarov
02-13-2003, 11:15 AM
I hope, that I shall do(make) the large book rather ABAKAN. I have the preliminary arrangement with Nikonov (author AN-94 -ABAKAN) - it(he) the very good and kind man.
imanaknut
02-13-2003, 11:37 AM
Now if you can just convince Mr. Nikonov to make a semi auto version for sale in the U.S. to those of us who enjoy Russian firearms! I would love to add one to my collection.
Thank you Mr. Makarov for being on our web site.
makarov
02-13-2003, 12:08 PM
Imanaknut
Thank for your kind words.
I think, that Mr. Nikonov would be happy, if AN-94 was on sale in USA. But problem not in his(its) desire. The problem that very much many Russian weapon is forbidden for sale in USA. The silly laws hinder us to be happy.
I hope, that in the future the laws will be softer and in USA can receive many Russian weapon, which one are unapproachable today.
Starvin
02-13-2003, 12:58 PM
I really doubt any of the "pemenent" gun laws will ever go away without my becoming president (most import bans are just executive orders which can be undone at any time by the current president, the Viet Nam war was an extreme example of an execuative order) . There are just too many ignorant people out there who would kill any presidents career who tried to touch these "laws".
However, looking at the Abakan it seems very possible to make a sporter version of this rifle much like the saigas. I'm no engineer (i failed out of that department :p) but the trigger is already far back on the reciever so all that would seem to need to be done is replace the pistolgrip/stock combo with a sporting stock and tighten up the mag well to accept 10 round single stack mags only. Then when they arrive here in the states we can get our hands on um a convert them back to their origional goodness. I'd sure as hell buy one.
(now if only they'd do it for the SVD too, it would be even easier since it already only accepts 10 round mags)
timkel
02-13-2003, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by makarov
I hope, that I shall do(make) the large book rather ABAKAN. I have the preliminary arrangement with Nikonov (author AN-94 -ABAKAN) - it(he) the very good and kind man.
If you do make this book. Let me know. I would like to buy one.
We really need free trade between USA and Russia.
There are many silly laws in USA.
Optimus Prime
02-13-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by makarov
I hope, that I shall do(make) the large book rather ABAKAN. I have the preliminary arrangement with Nikonov (author AN-94 -ABAKAN) - it(he) the very good and kind man.
Wow, let us know. I will buy one too.
Hey Headhunter, that is a sweet pic man. Wished I could have a crate of them.
:naughty:
Negative Creep
02-22-2003, 09:42 PM
http://club.guns.ru/images/convention/9.jpg
The Nikonov Assault Rifle - fires in 2 selective rate of 1800 and 600 rounds per minute, providing exceptional hit probability, 13 times more accurate than AKM when fired in the unsupported position. The rifle is based on the Blowback Shifted pulse. When 2 rounds are being fired, the barrel-and-receiver assembly is sliding rearwards inside the carrier-stock. The shooter receives the recoil shock, only after the 2 bullets escape the muzzle and are heading downrange toward the target.
Rivaltm
03-01-2003, 10:14 AM
they had an article and review of this rifle a while back in guns magazine, althought there few pitures.
Originally posted by makarov
Imanaknut
Thank for your kind words.
I think, that Mr. Nikonov would be happy, if AN-94 was on sale in USA. But problem not in his(its) desire. The problem that very much many Russian weapon is forbidden for sale in USA. The silly laws hinder us to be happy.
I hope, that in the future the laws will be softer and in USA can receive many Russian weapon, which one are unapproachable today.
Well, there is always licencing the product to a US company,or setting up a company of his own here. Fabrique National has one here, I think they make M-16's for the government. Toyota set up car plants here, they employ US workers and don't have to worry about import problems.
I bet he could get money from the US government to set up a buisness here, it happens all the time.
He probably has his hands full there though.
WarriorPoet
03-21-2003, 08:03 AM
The Abakan has to be one of the more gangly looking rifles in recent times, but I'd gladly fondle a semi-auto version of this rifle.
I recently read (and for the life of me, I can't remember where) that AN-94s can be had in Africa for as little as $100. Either the Abakan is in greater production/distribution than I thought, or the statement in the article was an error.
What I want to know is, if (big "IF") this rifle ever became available in the U.S. as a semi-auto --- when bump firing, would the first two rounds still go out with that single-recoil effect?
Hmmmm.......
-WP
Banshee
05-06-2003, 09:21 AM
Doesn't seem likely, since bump firing relies on recoil impulse to work. If two shots are coming out the barrel for a single impulse, that suggests full-auto to me, which, sadly, is a no-no.
Banshee
Smitty258
05-07-2003, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by bob
Well, there is always licencing the product to a US company,or setting up a company of his own here. Fabrique National has one here, I think they make M-16's for the government. Toyota set up car plants here, they employ US workers and don't have to worry about import problems.
I bet he could get money from the US government to set up a buisness here, it happens all the time.
He probably has his hands full there though.
That's not a bad idea. Izmash should set up shop in the US and make AKs, SVDs, Makarovs and all the other goodies we all love to avoid the import restrictions.
PvtPyle
05-08-2003, 10:25 AM
Various industry people have been telling them that for years and they have no interest in doing so it appears.
Penguin
05-09-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by PvtPyle
Various industry people have been telling them that for years and they have no interest in doing so it appears.
I wish they would I would love to get a PKM.
If am am not mistaken FN does have a plant here that makes M-16 for the army. I think it is in South Caroline or gorgia.
Negative Creep
05-11-2003, 01:03 AM
Here is a cool pic I found. That is a weird looking muzzle break.
http://members.lycos.nl/abpw/14-assault%20rifles/images/AN-94_by_Frodo.jpg
hsfbunny
05-11-2003, 11:37 PM
Sadly there would be little point to having a semi-auto version of this rifle. The advantage of the design is it's ability to delay the recoil pulse on full auto.
About as logical as a semi-auto mini gun. It's cool and all, but the function is lost.
John
Chamberlin
05-18-2003, 02:20 PM
Even more sadly, Nikonov has just died at the age of 53...
Valodya, I am sorry for the loss of your friend, and a great designer.
-C
Negative Creep
05-18-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by hsfbunny
Sadly there would be little point to having a semi-auto version of this rifle. The advantage of the design is it's ability to delay the recoil pulse on full auto.
About as logical as a semi-auto mini gun. It's cool and all, but the function is lost.
John
The same thing could be said about any semi-auto rifle that is based on a full-auto design.
5.56NATO
05-30-2003, 02:35 PM
Yeah, 53 is just too young. Nice design, and I want one, even if semi only.
Dorsai
06-02-2003, 06:51 PM
Negative Creep,
A semi auto version of the AN-94 would be just another semi-auto. I admit it would be rare and unusual looking, but the significance of the design is how it performs in a burst mode. Without that burst mode, it would feel like any other semi-auto and wouldn't perform any better. It would just cost a lot more.
Negative Creep
06-02-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Dorsai
Negative Creep,
A semi auto version of the AN-94 would be just another semi-auto. I admit it would be rare and unusual looking, but the significance of the design is how it performs in a burst mode. Without that burst mode, it would feel like any other semi-auto and wouldn't perform any better. It would just cost a lot more.
:rolleyes:
A semi-auto version would be just that, a semi-auto rifle.
The fact that the full-auto version has a new burst feature would have little to do about anything.
It would be a new unusual looking rifle. It would sell, the whole point of making rifles is to sell them.
All I was saying is that there woudn't be "little point to having a semi-auto version of this rifle."
Make sure and tell them every state here loves a buisness that came from somewhere else, moving even from one state to another gets you all kinds of tax breaks and maybe economic development money. There is all kinds of labor too, every one here is laying off machinists and moving those jobs to mexico, but a gun plant would need to be in the states to avoid the import restrictions. The internet job search sites I've seen say national average for starting machinists is something like 7 bucks.(although here in SD on engine place wants to give $7 for my 5 years experiance at a rifle manuf. even though I went back and got a votech degree on top of that. None of the area gun plants are hirring (all high dollar fancy type rifle plants, and a high end trap gun place) apparently :( .
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