scope choice

[bayo]

what would be a decent scope to put on a shorty bushmaster?
by decent i mean average not a 700$ alcan dont get me wrong
i understand money= quality in scopes . and im not talking about a wallmart one shot either.just something that would get the job done the right way.and i wouldnt have to sell the kids.[ha ha]
what about a red dot ?

any input would be a big help.:gun:

[sfc ret]

if it's a flat top...I would go with the IOR M2 with drop compensator for .223


I have one with the 308 drop compensator on my G3 clone and it is one excellent scope. it isn't a cheapie scope (construction and optics wise) optics are super clear, as clear as on the most expensive scopes

http://www.cactustactical.com/valdada/4x24m2tact.html#topofpage

IMHO red dots are junk.....there is no magnification and it is only good for close in shooting

[RJ Shooter]

Originally posted by sfc ret
IMHO red dots are junk.....there is no magnification and it is only good for close in shooting What about people with Carbines who only intend for it to be used at >200m?

I thought you had an ACOG SFC?

[sfc ret]

Originally posted by RJ Shooter
What about people with Carbines who only intend for it to be used at >200m?

I thought you had an ACOG SFC?

I do have a ACOG :) and she is a beauty.... and I use it way past 200 meters, the thing about a ACOG is it has a magnification and you can really see out to 300 meters + without sqinting to see the target through the iron sights, unlike a red dot with no magnification and is only good for close in shooting ...like I said it's my humble opinion that red dots are junk....if you're going to put a scope on a gun, at least have some magnification to it...this way you can use it for close in and far off targets. with a red dot your limited to targets that are relatively close...again this is just my humble opinion

[RJ Shooter]

I love ACOGs and can use the Bindon Aiming Concept really well with them. Not too hard if you know how to change your focus, etc. I'm just not gonna put an $800 optic on my $800 rifle. ;)

I personally wouldn't put a dot-optic on a rifle with more than a 20" bbl, but I love them on my carbines. I'm more into practicing double-taps on multiple targets with them, so "fast acquisition" is quicker/easier with a superimposed reticle.

Just my opinion :)

[HOLMES]

i have a 5-20x40
shot with 9 power--zoom in with 20 power like spotting scope
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/14017Img00015.jpg

[mangun]

less, but best have a cheekpc, and put the glass in a see-thru STANAG mount, so that you have the INSTANTANEOUS choice of the (luminous) iron sights, in case slamming prone, taking a hit, etc either splashes mud or snow onto the scope, or flat out breaks it. Leupold fixes their scopes for free, forever, and scopes only bring 1/4 (at most) of retail, when sold used.

[mangun]

to get a Duplex crosshair in the above scope. 7x will show you anything that you can hit with a 223, and as a rule, keep it set on 2x, for better light gathering and faster target acquisition. If you need more precision, by definition you also have more time, time to crank up the magnification.

I cut a v notch into the top of the luminous wing of the peep sight, and zeroed it for the 22 conversion unit, at 50m, with subsonic 40 gr lr's. The 223 sp's are a bit 'off" from that POI, but not enough to matter for 50m heads, or 100 m head on prone men, or 200 m torsos. If I need real precision, I can always flip up the "long range" wing of the peep sight. It's zeroed at 150m (11" barrel) with the 60 gr Noslers. The scope is zeroed at 250m, with the 69gr hpbt reloads. That lets me hold on high chest, and hit low gut, at 350m. For 400m, aim at top of head. The duplex x-hairs can serve as a good enough rangefinder, for a 223 carbine. At the sort of ranges that it aint good enough, you are silly to be firing with such a gun and load, anyway.

[mangun]

both EXTREMELY fast to use, and helpful in poor light.

[Graysgt]

I use an EoTech 552 AA version for a red dot and I once used a Leupold 2X7 on an AR that worked well as far as traditional scopes go. 2X works well upclose and has about 5 inches of eye relief. On 7X you can hit smaller targets at distant ranges. The cost is about $240 for Leupold 2X7 VX II.

[RJ Shooter]

I have an EOTech 551 (I prefer the smaller profile of the N batteried version) and a MAD back up iron sight coming next week. EOTech's are next to impossible to find now. All the dealers are saying the military snatched them all up and EOTech is continuing to supply to them before the civi population gets theres. :p

I lucked out and can't wait till it gets here!!!!