Building the 1919?

[1 Patriot-of-many]

I understand SalBo and someone else are going to be building a 1919.
If you guys want I can post dry run assembly pics I took before I built mine,also have pics while I was building it.
The dry run is about 12MB worth of pics.
If interested let me know and where you want them posted or sent.....

[lpspinner]

ahhh, the secrets out of the bag and I didn't spill it. :)

[bsims]

Please! I want to do one of these for my next project. Gonna get a 100% sideplate, though - don't have the resources to finish an 80%.

LPSpinner: Hmmm... you reference a secret - this isn't related to the "next big item" thread in GD is it? I can't imagine new kits going for as cheap as $150-$200... Something 1919 related? Or am I completely off base?

In case I am off base, where's the hot spot to gets kits right now? I found the review section at 1919a4.com, but no dates are listed and I'm not sure if that is indicative of the current supply.

Brian

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Yeah $150-200, I don't see that happening...:D
Tapcos are up to $450 last I checked.
I'd start with asking around on 1919a4.com
guys that bought recently would give you the straight scoop on condition and vendor.
$300+- is the average price still afaik.

[smittylite]

Originally posted by 1 Patriot-of-many
Yeah $150-200, I don't see that happening...:D
Tapcos are up to $450 last I checked.
I'd start with asking around on 1919a4.com
guys that bought recently would give you the straight scoop on condition and vendor.
$300+- is the average price still afaik.

How about 100% sideplates for $150-200???

[SalBO]

yeh, I ordered a 1919 kit from FAC last week and have been driving 1 Patriot-of-many nuts with questions. I should see my kit about Wednesday or so. I will admit though, I am still a bit confused as to the machine work that needs doing but I will learn I guess. I cant wait to see my kit. The ones from FAC are supposed to be primo. We will see.........somebody else ordered a kit also. Can you guess who ? LOL

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Originally posted by smittylite
How about 100% sideplates for $150-200???

I think that's probably wishful thinking. $250 might be closer for a 100% plate.
If you've got a drill press 80% RSP's are pretty easy to finish.


Here's what gets machined.The shiney area gets about .070 taken out if I remember correctly,and the bolt(top piece) has the slot in the back of it widened for a semi auto sear.
the Rsp on a full auto is flat,the semi auto side plate has a raised section which coincides with the machined area on these internal parts.

SalBo,Don't you worry about "bugging" me, I'm more than happy to answer any questions or help in any way.
Lots of people have helped me with my questions and problems and I enjoy helping out.It's gonna be great to see some pics of more 1919's over here!!! Happiness is a belt fed! :)
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/28031919A40032-med.JPG

[bsims]

So the only thing required for the 80% plates is drilling? 100% of the machining is done? Sounds great! So far, this is my pricing breakdown - please let me know if I'm missing or off on anything...

Parts Kit: $300-$450

Machine internals: $100-$130

80% sideplate: $80 (Tapco) - $145 (Gelisimo) - anyone know how the Tapco sideplate is - still just drilling required?
or
100% sideplate: $225

Rivet set: $50

Mounting system: No idea what the options or price range is here - seen MG42 mounts at TAPCO for $350 recently, dunno how much work to get these to fit... Any cheaper options to get started?

Belts: No idea...

Linker/loader: Saw one guy advertising for $150 (I think) in 1919a4.com. These required for cloth belts or just a "nice to have"?

So, it looks like around $1000-$1200 for a complete setup, mostly dependant on kit and 80% vs. 100% receiver. Anyone know current availability on kits, turnaround time on machining, etc.?

TIA,

Brian

[RetVet]

Originally posted by SalBO
I cant wait to see my kit. The ones from FAC are supposed to be primo. We will see.........somebody else ordered a kit also. Can you guess who ? LOL
Guinny! Are you branching out again?:mouse

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Originally posted by bsims
So the only thing required for the 80% plates is drilling? 100% of the machining is done? Sounds great! So far, this is my pricing breakdown - please let me know if I'm missing or off on anything...

Parts Kit: $300-$450

Machine internals: $100-$130

80% sideplate: $80 (Tapco) - $145 (Gelisimo) - anyone know how the Tapco sideplate is - still just drilling required?
or
100% sideplate: $225

Rivet set: $50

Mounting system: No idea what the options or price range is here - seen MG42 mounts at TAPCO for $350 recently, dunno how much work to get these to fit... Any cheaper options to get started?

Belts: No idea...

Linker/loader: Saw one guy advertising for $150 (I think) in 1919a4.com. These required for cloth belts or just a "nice to have"?

So, it looks like around $1000-$1200 for a complete setup, mostly dependant on kit and 80% vs. 100% receiver. Anyone know current availability on kits, turnaround time on machining, etc.?

TIA,

Brian

Yes Brian you've pretty much covered it except for the semi auto trigger and sear ~ $135

Mounts- Quite a few options starting from the german standup AA mount ~ or under $100,The A6 kit which includes stock,bipod,carry handle,and sometimes bigass flashhider ~$125
Up to the original M2 tripod for the 1919 which is getting spendy ~$450-500. There are various mounts modified for the 1919 in between those extremes.

Cloth belts are still pretty cheap.I think I paid $15 for brand new 100round.
Loaders for belts are expensive.
Links both 3006 and 308 are still pretty reasonable,.308 links are more expensive.I bought 1000 3006 links,they are supposed to work fine with .308.I'll post a report on that when I get a chance.
There's a guy making linkers over at 1919 for $125 i think.
I actually just got done making one myself,I'll post a pic later.Used a drill press and table grinder,and a router,and dremel.
There's a guy who put up a website with detailed drawings.Took me about three days of work to get it right.

Hawk who I used for my internal machining is very prompt and very helpful,expect maybe a week or so after you send the parts to him,if you chose him.There are a few guys over at 1919 site doing machining with various prices.Hawk is actually a little more expensive than some,but if I build another I'd use him again.
And no I'm not getting an endorsement fee :( :D
Talk later,
Bob

[Guinny_Ire]

Yes, I am. I ordered mine from Sarco's so it should be here in a month or so

[sfc ret]

I just bought a 1919A6, (bipod, carry handle, stock) made by RAPID FIRE.....with the german AA tripod for about what it would cost to build one, 1480 bucks total.

I see 1919A4s at the local gun shows here going for 1200 bucks. all of them are RAPID FIRE.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Kudo's, Rapid fire built are supposed to be one of the better vendors.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Here's a quick shot of my linker I built.It's not quite finished yet,I need to cut all the bolts,screws to length and paint the rest of the metal,but it's been validated,it works,I linked up 200 rounds so far,.308 in .3006 links.
That's my I/O Build on a Hesse reciever with Ironwood laminate.
My lower handguard is getting drilled for a rod hole....
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/2803Linker-med.jpg

[Tony@TAPCO]

I wanted to let you all know that if you get our side plate, we will give the rivet set for FREE. Also, our MG42 tripods are 350.00 (new) and the adapters are 59.99. So for just over 400.00, you could have the whole setup. Call or e-mail me if interested. The deal with the rivets is for a limited time.

[RetVet]

NO! I'm not going to do this. I am not going down this road! I refuse to start another project before I've finished this pallet of FALs! :D

[bsims]

Tony,

Is there milling required to finish your sideplate, or just drilling?

Brian

[SalBO]

just drilling............

[Tony@TAPCO]

All that is needed is drilling and finishing.

[PBR]

Does the TAPCO sideplate come with a drilling template ?

[Tony@TAPCO]

No template comes with the sideplate.

[RetVet]

OK, Who sells the best condition kit for the best price? Does anyone list them better than just GOOD?

added: I see FAC lists them as good-VG, but for $350, Tapco more like $500..

[smittylite]

Originally posted by RetVet
OK, Who sells the best condition kit for the best price? Does anyone list them better than just GOOD?

Sure didn't take long, did it RetVet??

"NO! I'm not going to do this. I am not going down this road! I refuse to start another project before I've finished this pallet of FALs! " :D

[RetVet]

Originally posted by smittylite
Sure didn't take long, did it RetVet??

"NO! I'm not going to do this. I am not going down this road! I refuse to start another project before I've finished this pallet of FALs! " :D
Just probing.;) Doesn't hurt to have good info in your back pocket.:D

[Guinny_Ire]

You know what RetVet is figuring out right now:




"If I sell the car and walk to work......"

[RetVet]

Originally posted by Guinny_Ire
You know what RetVet is figuring out right now:




"If I sell the car and walk to work......"

.....actually I have this real nice VMax collecting dust in my shed....;)

[Guinny_Ire]

and you might be able to get some $ for the shed as well!!:)

[SalBO]

go for it...go for it....go for it !!!!!!!








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[1 Patriot-of-many]

Originally posted by PBR
Does the TAPCO sideplate come with a drilling template ?

You do NOT want to use the drilling templates available.
I have one and used it for one hole.Sure enough the hole was off!
Use the Leftside plate/trunion and drill through the assembled gun(minus internals) for many of the holes.use the bottom plate as a guide for the bottom plate to rsp holes,rear cartridge stop placed where it belongs and mark the plate for that drill hole.
The pintle spacer as a guide for two of those holes(other hole from leftsideplate)
The only hole you really don't have a guide is the forward cartridge stop. I put the stop in the front cartrdige guide(.308) with heavy grease and a little grease on the tip of the stop.Assembled it and the little grease spot is where I drilled.

[RetVet]

Does the side plate for the 1919A4 fit the FN30 Browning machine gun kit (.308 cal)? I know a number of the other parts interchange between the two. If not, has anyone taken up the cause to make one?

More probing......:p

[Guinny_Ire]

I too considered the FN30. I believe you'd need the magical 7 US made parts to build it but maybe someone else knows better

[RetVet]

Originally posted by Guinny_Ire
I too considered the FN30. I believe you'd need the magical 7 US made parts to build it but maybe someone else knows better
I forgot all about that snag!:doh:

[Schuetzenman]

Just remember compliance is by having 10 or less foreign made parts in the composition of the weapon . . . 10 or less.;)

[Guinny_Ire]

So if you had a 7 part gun and alll parts were foreign would it be compliant?

[1 Patriot-of-many]

As far as I know NO it isn't interchangable with the FN30.There are quite a few over at 1919a4.com working on figuring how to make a semi auto out of the FN30,I don't think there is one yet.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

As far as I know NO it isn't interchangable with the FN30.There are quite a few over at 1919a4.com working on figuring how to make a semi auto out of the FN30,I don't think there is one yet.

[RetVet]

Concerning Tapco's 80% receiver and rivet set. Does the rivet set include ALL of the required rivets needed to COMPLETE the build? Only reason I ask this is because the Tapco rivet set includes 25 rivets. The rivet set advertised by Sarco includes 38 rivets and is claimed to include ALL of the rivets you will need as compared to some of their competetors.

Bottom line I guess is if "someone";) were going to order some rivets for one of these parts kit builds, they're going to want all the required rivets right off the bat and not have to mess with placing yet another order for missing rivets (not to mention the added expence).

[Tony@TAPCO]

All the rivets that are needed come with our set that we sell. This is the same set that you get for FREE if you buy one of our $99.99 side plates. :D

[Tony@TAPCO]

I just got word that we have some MG42 tri-pods without optics storage box. These are new original manufactured. I'll take fifty bucks off the price and sell them for $299.99, limited time offer.