Need clarification on fa stamp?

[dannyhx]

I would like to have a micro-galil smg. Do you have pay a stamp for every thing thats normally illegal on the gun or just one 200.00 fee? I read something on here that confused me. I thought it didn't matter if it was fa,or shorter than allowed, or etc. that you had to get a federal stamp to have it. Also does anyone know what the prices are for the micr-galil? Can you get one with smi-auto,tri-burtst and the fa all on it? come with the .

[clay]

The machine gun tax stamp would overide any of the 'features' restrictions on the weapon, as long as the weapon has the registered part in it (in this case, the bolt). If it's a 'registered receiver' Uzi, the receiver itself is a machine gun. You can have all the 'bad' (preban) features on the weapon as long as the registered bolt is in the weapon. If it's a registered receiver Uzi, it already has the preban features on it (no 'new' fully transferable machine guns can be registered after May 19, 1986). Once you have your tax stamp, you may shorten the barrel, if you wish. However, if it is a registered 'bolt' gun, and you sell the bolt later, and keep the Uzi, you'll be in possession of a SBR (short barrelled rifle), which is another $200 tax that's supposed to be paid BEFORE you shorten the barrel.
I know it's a little confusing, but it's worth it. I personally am not a fan of the micro-uzi, because it's WAY too uncontrolable. I prefer the mini-uzi, because it is pretty much the standard Uzi of choice for all the units that use it (except IDF). You might also consider a MAC in the same performance range, but a LOT cheaper (around a thousand bucks for a M11/9, plus the 200 dollar tax, and probably $100 dollar or so 'dealer transfer fee'= total of $1300). Also, the Uzi in .45 ACP is nice, but the magazines don't hold enough rounds to really have a 'blast'. All this is just my own opinion, though...Let me know if you have any more questions, maybe I can help.

[saleen]

I believe he was talking about the micro galil, of which there were no examples in country prior to May 19, 1986. Hence, any registered Micro Galils now can only be had by L.E. or certain approved dealers.

On the issue of pre-ban features on a post ban recievered SBR or SMG (registered drop in sear, ect.) I have been told both ways by the ATF. One agent said it was okay, the next didn't. If your luck is anything like mine you'd get caught by the one who considers it illegal and at the very least never see your gun again. An alternate strategy would be to wait for slick willy's 1994 vegtable bill (oops, I meant Brady) in Sept. 2004. Provided of course that we preserve a pro-gun congress and show Al Gore the door.


Saleen

[clay]

'Oops, I did it again'...Sorry, I thought that you were talking about Uzi Galil's micro-uzi.
As far as the pre-ban features on a machine-gun, what I posted before is correct, whether it's an UZI or not. Once again, if it's a registered 'Machine Gun', ATF takes the position that you can have any features you want on it. However, if it's a registered 'bolt' or 'sear' gun, and you remove the registered part, the weapon has to be in the configuration in keeping of the laws that were in effect at the time of it's manufacture, and/or importation and sale in this country. If you cut the barrel of a semi-auto rifle down to, say, 10 inches, and have your registered bolt in there, it's fine. However, if you sell the bolt, and still have the rifle with the 10 inch barrel, you now are in possession of a SBR. Most people that I know that have these type of C3 weapons, register their weapons as a SBR, and pay the extra $200 so that they can keep them that way, no matter what happens to the registered machine gun part.

[dannyhx]

I'm tring to get into le but its not easy evan though i have some background. So i guess its almost impossible to get on and if could probably would be outragious.

[Repairoman]

Clay is correct in his statements. Example of an AR-15 and a DIAS. ATF says the first thing you alter is installing the drop in auto sear. Then anything on your "post ban Bushmaster" can be altered (ie Short barrel, flash hider all evil features). IF ....IF you decide to put the DIAS into another gun, the LAST thing you do is remove the auto sear. This is done after the host gun has been restored to the proper pre or post ban configuration. If you do this at 3AM in your kitchen, what's it really matter? I don't know. Only the ATF knows for sure..

[dannyhx]

I thought you can't legally alter post ban ar's? I got a post ban mushmaster carbine. How could you put the auto sears and stuff in, don't you have to be class2 to do anything like this? Then still got to go thru class 3 person right?

[CAV Trooper]

Originally posted by dannyh:
I thought you can't legally alter post ban ar's? I got a post ban mushmaster carbine. How could you put the auto sears and stuff in, don't you have to be class2 to do anything like this? Then still got to go thru class 3 person right?

The registered part is the Drop In Auto Sear. That's what has to go through a Class 3. The other important part is the receiver with the serial number on it. That's the part the BATF considers to be "the rifle" Those have already been "manufactured". Changing uppers on an AR-15 (from a post-ban to a pre-ban configuration) isn't "manufacturing" a rifle. I swap parts all the time on my Colt pre-ban AR-15A2. From the standard A2 with fixed stock to a M4 upper with shorty folding stock. Perfectly legal.

If you have a registered DIAS or F/A lower, it doesn't matter what you have as an upper. Repairman and the others are correct. If you have a DIAS, you can swap out whatever you want. If you then sell the DIAS (or put it into another rifle), the gun it was in MUST be put back into it's original condition.

Only problem you're looking at is that a DIAS for an AR-15 will cost several thousand dollers if you can find one. That's not counting the $200 transfer tax for the BATF.

[dannyhx]

Can a class 3 person alter guns to sale?

[Ehud]

I though other "deadly features" like a silencer, short barrel, etc on a form 1?2? there was only a 5.00 charge? I know ATF has the forms, guess I need to go look. Does anyone know about silencers being legal in SC, or short barrels for that matter? I know it would take an act of congress to get a MG here, but what about the other cool stuff?

[CAV Trooper]

Originally posted by dannyh:
Can a class 3 person alter guns to sale?


If you mean turn a semi-auto into a full-auto...NO!

[steamhead]

You can have any feature on a registered MG since, as another poster noted, the MG is the most restrictive feature. The MG has to have been registered as a transferable gun before May 19, 1986 in order for normal folks to own it though. As far as suppressors, short barreled rifles etc, they can still be made,possessed and owned by normal people by filing a form 1 to manufacture them. A $200 tax has to be paid to make them and any subsequent transfer will require the $200 tax. Only AOW's transfer for $5 and to make them it still requires a $200 making tax. All the info to do these things is available at Jim Bardwells site and the forms are at the ATF site....
Bardwells- http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/index.html#links

ATF-http://www.atf.treas.gov/