Question: Should the left plate slide right onto

[Guinny_Ire]

the front plate/vented muzzle cover? Should that big hole on the left plate take that big round pokey hole thingy on the front plate and fit alright? Cause mine don't

[1 Patriot-of-many]

I hate to make light of it but that's a funny description!!!.....
How about a pic of the problem,I'm having a little trouble picturing what you are talking about.

The Trunion(part that has a hole for the barrel as well as two .342 holes for rivets,a smaller rivet hole and a 9/16? hole for a mount), has raised sections on the side that fit perfectly into the front slots on the left side plate and right side plate.
The trunion holes on the left side plate will match up with the trunion holes.

I assume your barrel shroud came attached to your trunion?
Is the barrel shroud what you are refering as the pokey hole thingy? :D

[Guinny_Ire]

Well I'm at work so I'll describe it as best as possible. There is a large hole at the front of both the left and right plate. I've been going thru the exploded views here at my desk from the 1919 manual and can't identify the part. It is that large ass block that the jacket barrel screws into and is the front part of the machine gun. There are two extension/holes that should guide into each of the holes in the plates. The one that should fit into the left plate doesn't fit. Is that better?

[SalBO]

It is that large ass block that the jacket barrel screws into and is the front part of the machine gun.

That would be the Trunion

[Guinny_Ire]

Then my left plate does not slip onto the trunion. That pipe/dealy/extension does not fit into the hole in the left plate. Suggestions? Correctable? Send it back? Sell it to me for 1/2 price?

[SalBO]

The trunion (the watchamacallit with the barrel on it) is sandwiched between the left and right sideplates. You only have a left right now. The barrrel screws into the trunion and the barrel shroud (the long dealy with the holes all in it) goes over the barrel......

[SalBO]

here is the pic of mine Chris. Do you see what we are saying ?

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/81031919parts-med.jpg

[Guinny_Ire]

Absolutely. On the big ass block attached to the barrel jacket , otherwise known as the trunion, there is a hole at the bottom of said big ass block Mine has a tube in it. Did they leave a large oversized rivet in mine? That might be what I'm confused on. That big ass hole on the side of the trunion that goes thru the trunion, is it just a hole or is there a tube that runs thru it that connects the two plates to the trunion?

[SalBO]

A rivet goes through there but I dont know if there is a sleeve the rivet goes through or not. I dont think so. Try gently punching it out tonight. Sorry, but I wrapped and boxed mine back up until I finish these FAL's so I cant look at it......blind leading the blind I guess you could say. :cool:

[Guinny_Ire]

Yours does not appear to have the sleeve I'm talking about.

Did you clean yours up? And what did you do?

[SalBO]

that is mine fresh from the box. I havent wiped it down or anything yet.....it just has a thin coat of oil on it......

[SalBO]

this sleeve, is it hollow all the way through ? it goes from one side to the other of the trunion ?

[Guinny_Ire]

Yes and extends out past it. I'm going from memory but I believe it is a sleeve set in the trunion.

[SalBO]

I dont think I have that......wonder if yours is extra or mine is missing?......

[PBR]

Originally posted by Guinny_Ire
" that big round pokey hole thingy"

:jump: :jumping:

[Guinny_Ire]

you laugh but that and deal/dealie are technical terms when my family has discussions on things from God to bowling.

Oh and the almighty:


Thingamajig.

[SalBO]

Dohickey ?

:D

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Okay, I'm hearing you now,there's a sleeve in the pintle hole sticking out,preventing your left side plate from fitting flush against the trunion.
Does that sleeve stick out of both sides or just the one?
Seems odd that the leftside plate wouldn't fit on the sleeve as the side plate holes are the same size as the pintle hole....
Mine also didn't have a sleeve sticking out.
Your best advise here would be www.1919A4.com
Post your predicament or do a search, that issue has come up before,I've seen it, just can't remember if the sleeve was just pressed/hammered out or what.

The sleeve was probably some part of a wierd mount or something IM GUESSING, But I still don't understand why the Leftside plate would fit over it!Very wierd to picture without a picture! :D

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Okay here's more info,sounds like a salvage sleeve from this post.
http://1919a4.com/cgi-bin/noncgi/Forum1/HTML/001705.html

Probably the holes in the trunion got just plain worn out being on some vehicle,and the only way to save it was to sleeve it bigger.
From the sounds of this post, you'll simply have to make your hole on the right and left side plate a little bigger to match the salvage sleeve,or you can buy another trunion.
I tried to get my barrel shroud off at one time and gave up,they can be a bitch to get off so take that into account if you decide to order another trunion.
Or you could ask Sarco for a trunion swap?Maybe they would give you one without the salvage sleeve....

SHOULD I SAY IT? Maybe you should have spent the extra few $$$ and got a kit like SalBo's from FAC? :p ;)

Oh and if you want those drawings, I'm gonna need your email! :)

[Guinny_Ire]

I didn't know that they were coming in different conditions otherwise I would have.

[Guinny_Ire]

The trunion doesn't look beat up. It is an Izzy. I'm thinking metric conversion sleeve.

[Guinny_Ire]

I just e-mailed the Israeli Defense (army)'s ordnance division with the question of what this sleeve is. Deja Vu occuring here

[SalBO]

Originally posted by Guinny_Ire
I just e-mailed the Israeli Defense (army)'s ordnance division with the question of what this sleeve is. Deja Vu occuring here

what sort of descriptive words did you use in your email ?

:D

[awp101]

Originally posted by SalBO
what sort of descriptive words did you use in your email ?

:D
I hope whatchamacallit was used at least once...

[Guinny_Ire]

Wanted a serious response the the term doohickey, whatchamacallit, and dealie were not used. Only the terms I learned thru everyone's gracious wisdom

[awp101]

Originally posted by Guinny_Ire
Wanted a serious response the the term doohickey, whatchamacallit, and dealie were not used. Only the terms I learned thru everyone's gracious wisdom
No whozeewhat?:confused:

[Guinny_Ire]

Is there a rod in that long ass spring? What is the spring called? Also is there a part that looks like rectangle with a u cut out it? From SalBO's pics it appears there is one but I'
m not quite sure

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Yes on the end of that spring there is a "thingy" ;)
on one end with a screwdriver slot in it,so you can lock the spring into the bolt for removal of "innerds" ;)
If you look through the walkthrough there's a pretty good shot of it.
I would guess it would be called the recoil spring but YOU can call it the "springy thing".....:D