How do you scope a Swede Mauser?

[geojap]

I have 3 Swede 1896 Mauser rifles, and one has a bent bolt. It's in near excellent shape. I would like to put a scope on it. I hope I'm not getting into the realm of "bubba-izing" the rifle, because I don't want to do that. I'd like to get something that could be accepted as authentic or at least something that wouldn't look very out of place on the rifle. Does anyone knwo what to use or how to do this?

Thanks for the help.

[cowdawg]

B-square does I believe make a scope mount for the swedes(ie small ring mausers)
PLEEEEZE don't drill and tap a reg scope mount on!! PLEEZE

[geojap]

So drilling and tapping is a no-no, huh? I've seen rifles in pawn shops that were drilled and tapped. Mine already was drilled, but that was for the diopter sights that Samco probably removed and is selling for $100. I've never considered drilling the receiver before, and I'll stay away from it. I hope the B Square mount will sit far enough back on the receiver. I don't want it to look like a scout rifle. Has anyone used a B-square on a Swede? If so, how did it function?

[cowdawg]

Hey its your rifle to do with as you please.
I have seen two types of scope mounts for the swede that do not require drilling and tapping, one was the scout you refer to, the other was ??????????? I can't seem to recall right now. B-square does have a web site i believe

edit, also you may if you decide, to go the drill and tap route, need to either get a high scope mount or get your safety changed to allow for a lower scope mount, someplace sells these and you can install them or have a gunsmith do it. It makes your safety throw about 45 degrees or so instead of 180 degrees.

[smittylite]

.....I hear Schuetzenman coming. :D

Geojap - it all depends on what your desire is. Do you want to retain its value? Are you looking for a hunting rifle? Are you totally against the scout scope setup? If there is any way to avoid it, I would try to steer clear of drilling the receiver for mounts.

If you are rethinking the scout mount setup, here is a good link on how to make your own.

scout mount (http://www.armscenter.com/dutchman/karlina.html)

[geojap]

Yeah, I want to retain it's value and "correctness". I don't want to screw it up too bad.

Smitty, I saw that website just recently while surfing the internet on this subject. His setup looks pretty unobtrusive. If that is the best way to scope it without screwing it all up, I may do that. But I prefer a scope that is mounted more traditionally.

I don't exactlt want a hunting rifle, I can use one of my Mosins, short Mausers or a Winchester M-70 for that, but I do want something that I can nail a 1 inch group at 100-200 yards with. Just paper target shooting. On their own, my eyes aren't so great out to 100 yards.

Thanks for the help. That type of mount from that website may be what I'll go after.

[CETME]

GeoJap,

If you want to retain its correctness, the only thing you can do is leave it alone.

This gun is your gun. But remember, that these rifles have outlived their makers, and outlived the soldiers who used them. If properly kept, they could last way behind your years, and into the generations to come. It would be selfish to say "well its my gun" because you are ignoring your grandchildren's right to own a gun from the war torn 20th century in its original condition.

I think it would be unfair to modify them, because future generations will NEVER have the chance to own these rifles in original condition as we can.

Enjoy the rifle for what it is. A piece of history, A collectors item. with the enjoyment that you get to shoot it too.

If you want a scoped rifle, either try to find an original, or just purchase a very inexpensive Remington 710. For $299 it comes with scope, mount, rings everything.

I believe the B-square mount requires you to notch out the stock. In the end it will be modified.

Try to find the diopter sights for it... you'll shock yourself how accuractely you can shoot with them.

[geojap]

I agree with what you said, CETME. I hate the idea of modifying the rifle. I like the idea of the diopter sights. There was someone selling some sets over on the gunboards trader a while back. Those sell for about $100, if I remember correctly. That would cost less than a scope and b-square mount.

[Dr. Stock]

Here's an M-38 with a B-Square and a 4x intermediate eye relief scope in "scout" configuration. It shoots sub MOA with hand loads. I also have another M-38 and an M-96 set up the same way with the same accuracy. So far no problems with zero shift. I did use blue Locktite when I set up the mounts.
Doc
http://www.armscenter.com/billirwin/m38Swede/42huskieM38in640x420.jpg

[Schuetzenman]

Yes Geojap as the others have said don't do anything to permanently alter the rifle. SARCO has Swedish stock sets and handguards. If you need to notch a handguard, I would suggest you get one from them and modify that. Then tag clearly the handguard you take off the rifle and put it away somewhere safe with the rifles description and serial number on it.

I would also suggest the diopter sights as pinhole effect is quite good at giving a clean sight picture to older eyes. I can still shoot Iron sights as peep sights well, though a scope is better for seeing.

You could always buy a Swedish sniper, they come scoped. ;)