Vepr KTR-03

[HDR]

http://www.robarm.com/VEPR%20KTR%20.223%20RS.jpg

If you've wanted a Galil or Valmet because of the AK reliability with better sights, this is the rifle for you. The VEPR KTR-03 is a highly modified VEPR. The KTR has the following features:

Hammer-Forged, Chrome-Lined Barrel 14" to 16" with permanent AK type Muzzle Brake.
Rear M16 Style Peep Sight.
M16 Style Front Sight.
Picatinny Rail on top of Dust Cover.
Thumb Safety on Right Side.
Available in .223, 7.62x39mm, 5.45x39mm (this model requires a 16" barrel).

Retail Price $1,149.99.

1200 for an AK? ;)

[RJ Shooter]

I like it a lot!

Not sure about the price tag however...

If I'm not mistaken, they created this to try and get the LEO market. Not sure why a PD would pay this much when they could pay half for an M4.

:confused:

[Hamburger]

this is not really a different vepr, it's a highly modified vepr k...

take the price of a vepr k, add parts and mark krebs' work, refinishing, voila, there's the 1149 price tag for the ktr...


you also find a pic on mark krebs' website www.krebscustom.com (click on 'rifles in stock' and scroll down). the ktr on this pic also has a modified stock (skeleton style).

[RJ Shooter]

http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/MAR%2003/KTR03.JPG

[HDR]

Wonder how that dust cover matches up with a regular veprs?

[JIMBO55]

I just picked up my KTR-03 today---it was a long wait--3 months, but when i looked at the gun, it was worth every minute.--Brian and Mark will give you what you want and you will not be sorry. Mine is a .223 with the cut out butt stock and milled hand guards. I sent them my new vper just when they started the project, and i knew it would be a long delivery. the total it cost me, was another $600.00 over the cost of my vper--this cost +$50.00 for the stock mods(cut out and milled) also if you want a standard ak stock setup, Mark will fill weld, re heat treat and refinish the whole gun ( cost $125.00)
The finish on the gun is outstanding, and the workmanship top notch--i will take it to the range this week end and report on the range test. Brian test fires each gun before it ships to a customer and the quality control is A+++++. i will post some photos so you can see what i mean. when you hold the rifle it feels like it's a $3000.00 pc.
This is the ak you want and will hold on to for ever--it can only go up in value, as they are becoming hard to get from russia as we all know--i will keep you up dated---JIMBO

[RJ Shooter]

Finally, someone we can ask!!!!

HOW DOES THE RECEIVER COVER SECURE TO THE RECIEVER? With the A2 rear site and picatinny rail, the cover would have to be pretty secure to maintain zero. How is this achieved???

Thanks...

[48thHighlander]

Update on prices. Maybe I got ripped.

$755 conversion
$200 reweld rear of receiver
$50 stock cutout

I couldnt afford the reweld rear receiver, actually, I couldn't afford any of it really. It better be a jem.

You are much better to buy one outwright from Krebs.

I shure took it up the ass thinking I was going to get a better deal by providing the rifle.

[JIMBO55]

Rj----------i will post photos tonight with a break down of parts---i will be at the range in the morning---one thing for sure, the trigger is smoooooooooooth !!!! not like any ak i ever fired JIMBO

[JIMBO55]

Hey guys--1st photos for you all--i'm on my way to the range---range report to follow---JIMBO55
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/showgallery.php?cat=500&stype=1&thumb=1&si=KTR-03

[Skibane]

Great pix, JIMBO - thanks for sharing them.

That's an interesting way to mount the rear sight – rather than attach it something solid, attach it to something floppy instead, and then fix the floppyness!:D Will be interesting to see how well a scope holds zero after you've removed and replaced the cover for cleaning...

[RJ Shooter]

Most impressive images!

I think the front sight is absolutely beautiful!!!! Not sure why I like it so much.

I too am curious about the cover holding zero. I'm assuming the set screw goes through the takedown latch/spring rod and hits a block attached to the receiver cover. Is there anything on the receiver itself to receiver the screw as well?

I am impressed with the workmanship. Very impressed...

Thanks for the pics!

[RJ Shooter]

I just saw the left-hand side, thumb selector switch, and now I'm even more impressed!!! :p

[JIMBO55]

Just a quickie guys---just got back from the range--put 2-300 rds of mixed ammo through the baby----FLAWLESS!!!!
and bumped like a champ. not one problem--will give a complete review tomorrow------------JIMBO

[HDR]

Finns mount a sight on the rear cover. It works and it does hold zero.

[Ian]

With the A2 rear site and picatinny rail...
I thought it was an A1, not A2 rear sight - no elevation adjustment, windage only. Still, it's much better than the standard AK/Vepr sight. I'm considering getting just this sight installed on my Vepr II.

Ian

[RJ Shooter]

Originally posted by Ian
I thought it was an A1, not A2 rear sight - no elevation adjustment, windage only. Still, it's much better than the standard AK/Vepr sight. I'm considering getting just this sight installed on my Vepr II.

Ian I guess I should have used term "A2-Style" rear sight. The aperture is indeed an A2 with an A2 windage knob. The A2 0-200M aperture has a much larger opening than the A1 version.

Hope that clarifies things a bit...

[Vis]

I just noticed square front side post, that must help alot. From the picture I can't see the way to take off the gas tube. What is holding it in place ? How is the skeleton stock holding up during recoil ?:D

[Ian]

This rifle gets better each time I look at it: A2 aperatures on the rear sight, perfectly square front sight post (is it click adjustable?) The ARs better watch out!

RJ Shooter - thanks for pointing the A1/A2 aperature differences out to me; I wasn't aware of them.

I also want to thank JIMBO55 for the awesome pictures! Congrats on your new toy. We're all jealous.

I'm still trying to figure out how the new screw in the guide rod's latch locks the dust cover in place? Brian at Krebs explained to me that this screw does not have to be adjusted when removing or replacing the dust cover. Jimbo55, Could you please shed some light on this?

Thanks,
Ian

[JIMBO55]

Ian--------i will let you know tomorrow---just got back home and i will be taking the ktr apart tomorrow and will post more "inside" photos JIMBO

[M700Police]

Very cool. Thanks for the pics!

Now......if Mark and Brian would only start shipping those AR style rear sights. I have been waiting 4 weeks for them to "write instructions". :rolleyes:

[Hozer]

Very Cewl. I just have a hard time with the price. I could have two more VEPR K's in my gun safe for that money.

[JIMBO55]

Hey guy's here are the photos of the guts of the ktr---remember it still has to be cleaned
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/showphoto.php?photo=6664&size=big&papass=&sort=1&thecat=

[Vis]

Is there no way to take the gas tube off?????????:(

[JIMBO55]

vis-------yes there is, i was trying to figure it out, it slides out towards the rear of the rifle--i will have photos of the section tonight JIMBO

[Ian]

Based upon Jimbo's pictures and a discussion with Brian at Krebs, I think I know how the receiver cover is locked into place. A hole is drilled completely through the recoil guide latch and a detent pin is screwed into the hole. The detent pin is set such that it applies additional pressure to the inside of the receiver cover under the latch. Of course, I am speculating about this locking mechanism; a side and bottom picture of the recoil guide latch would help verify this. If I am correct, it seems that this locking mechanism depends upon the recoil guide rod fitting securely in the receiver.

Regards,
Ian

[Hamburger]

yeah but this screw alone wouldn't secure the whole dustcover...
my dustcover has most of its play at the front, near the gas tube. so something there has to be tightened as well.

[JIMBO55]

Ok guys--here's the photos of the gas tube assembly--this took me some time to figure out--it is like a galil gas tube and locks in the reciever(see photos) i had to use a rubber mallet to work the tube off--i'm sure after it goes on and off a few times it will be a snap to remove. also some photos of the under belly of the dust cover, with the rail mounting shown---this thig is built like a tank!!!!! i do not see the purpose of the set screw in the spring release handle, but it does show attention to detail-----also note the spring assy. this is no cheap ak spring!!! any questions let me know JIMBO
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/showphoto.php?photo=6732&size=big&papass=&sort=1&thecat=

[Vis]

Very clever gas tube.:cool:

[leadfoot]

Thanks for the review. I now know I want to purchase one of these rifles. I'm not sure about getting the buttstock modified because I'm curious how the buttstock will hold up in the long run but that is one beautiful rifle you own. I haven't contacted Robinson Armament yet but do you know why you had to wait 3 months and if that is still the current wait time.

If I could only get the rifle with a standard black plastic buttstock, instead of the Vepr style buttstock.

Thanks again for the pictures and review.

[JIMBO55]

leadfoot------go right to Krebs----or buy the vepr from a dealer and send it to Krebs for the mod. I'm sure they are in stock at some dealers. When you call Krebs talk to BRIAN and tell him you read the review and saw the photos and you might get a little discount. Also ----get the buttstock mod/cutout done if you get the rifle---you will never break it with the cut outs---the thickness of the material is about 1"
very stong and well designed----hope that helps--if you have any questions or need any help, let me know---JIMBO

[bigsaxdog]

saw one at a gun store. dust cover moved cosiderably. i don't think that's a good thing......would move more with the weight of a red-dot attached. looks real good though.........

[JIMBO55]

Hey Big------let me tell you---the duct cover does not move take a look at the photos on how Krebs modifies the unit
JIMBO

[DayWalker]

How's that thumb selector work on the left side? It isn't exactly easy to move the regular selector switch on the right side, so it seems like it would be especially stiff on the left.

[RJ Shooter]

Originally posted by DayWalker
How's that thumb selector work on the left side? It isn't exactly easy to move the regular selector switch on the right side, so it seems like it would be especially stiff on the left. The two would be separate from each other's functions like on the Galil. They would both have to be set to "fire" to fire (in essence, two safeties). Leave the right one at "go" and safe the weapon with the left. The gun can remain on safe until the shooter pulls up and aims, simply making the weapon hot with the shooting hand's thumbs.

Just about every other rifle design incorporates this quick and ergonomic feature. It's good to see it on an AK...

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/19850DSC00484.JPG

[DayWalker]

Thanks! That is very sweet. Makes me want a KTR more and more.

[Hines57]

Anybody know the dealer price on these?

[JIMBO55]

Hines----i dont think you will find one at a dealer---they are custom made and any that are made are on special order--your best bet is either buy the vepr and send it to Krebs---order order directly from Krebs---the vepr's are getting hard to find due to the slow input from russia--call krebs and see if he has any in the works---when mine shipped he had just finished 8 units after 3 months, or call robinson--but he does not have the cut out stock option you can get from krebs---hope that helps JIMBO

[Ian]

Jimbo - Have you tried out your Hakko red dot on the KTR yet?

I'm ordering one for my Vepr K w/RobArms weaver mount, and one for my dad's Hammerli .22 target pistol.

Ian

[leadfoot]

Thanks Jimbo for the information. I'll take a look at ordering from Krebs first before going straight to Robinson Armament.

[JIMBO55]

IAN___i was at the range yesterday and used a bushnell 4 rect. scope--red dot /x / circle---i have 2 hakko's on 2 of my ar's and they are great i am going to order another for the ktr this week---for the money($189.00) the blow alot of the other high price scopes away--they are also a dream to sight in and the field of view is great. one guy at the range had just spent $675.00 on a springfield gen III scope and he saw the hakko on the ar and loved it---guess who makes the $675.00 springfield--------HAKKO!!!!! JIMBO

[JIMBO55]

LEADFOOT----------when you call krebs---ask for brian--tell him we have spoken and he and mark krebs are great to work with---they will mod. the rifle anyway you want it, including a standard ak butt stock----JIMBO

[00_buckshot]

If the rear sight being floppy is such a problem or concern then why didn't they just use the same method that is used on the Galil and Valmet series rifles (whatever that maybe)? These are pretty much AK variants with a very similar dust cover. I've never heard anyone complain about a floppy rear sight with these rifles.

[RJ Shooter]

Nobody's complaining about this rifle's (KTR-03) cover being floppy either! :confused:

[DayWalker]

Jimbo - is the KTR-03 the reason why you sold your Hegal (Galil Clone)? Becuase the KTR-03 does look very much like a Galil.

[JIMBO55]

DAYWALKER----I had the ktr on order before i got the hegal,now here's the bad news----the last 3 times i went to the range with the hegal---nothing but problems with it tearing shell cases in half and jamming the gun---after i sent hesse/vulcan a 2 page email listing the problems and getting no response i felt it was time to say good buy--i dont like having a weapon that fires 4 round and jams and it takes you a half hour to clear the rifle to fire 4 more shots. Phil at brick armory returned the rifle to the distributor and gave me full credit--to me and a few of my buddies at the range felt it was a head space problem----i had even spoken to mark krebs who was willing to take the gun in and give it a complete go over!!! ( this also would have been the time to change the barrel length to 16"--which krebs will do) At that point it was better to get the money back---which i did (got an armilite ar --new with some cash left)-----------live and learn guys JIMBO

[DayWalker]

I curse you:mad:...j/k, but I did buy the same rifle from Phil at Brick Armory becuase of your glowing review here on these boards. I hope to God, mine doesn't have that problem. Well if it does, how much was Krebs going to charge for the overhaul and barrel shortening? Thanks.

[JIMBO55]

DAYWALKER: did you get yours yet???? the krebs work was going to be about $250.00 i think(with the barrel cut)---let me know how you make out---as i said the hegal should be fine, but i did not want to go back and forth and i knew i had the ktr coming---if you have a gunsmith in your area--just have the head space checked-----also it functioned better on mil surplus ammo------JIMBO

[DayWalker]

Nope not yet. UPS tracking says it should arrive on Thursday to my local FFL. I will definately let you know how it goes. If I remember correctly you said that there was an adapter for the magwell that will allow the use of AR magazines. Do you know where I can find one?

[JIMBO55]

daywalker---there are a few made but they are high in price if you want i have a contact in south africa who has brand new galil mags--i had a few and sold them--price is around $25. or $30 ea.---email me if you are interested and i will forward his prices and how to order---he also has any other galil parts you may want---------real good prices and a nice guy----JIMBO

[Aay Kay Mike]

After paying a visit to Kreb's and personally checking this gun out, I just had to order one, in 7.62 with the skeletonized stock. The overall quality of this gun is incredible, and to me, justifies the cost. The rear sight on the dust cover is very solid and secure. Brian is a great guy to deal with, and despite being quite busy at the time, he took the time to show me many of the various weapons he had in the shop at the moment, and promptly answered all the questions that I had. He said that mine should be ready in 3 weeks!! I'm just counting the days...

[JIMBO55]

AAY KAY----------great place right!!!! like i said, until you see the rifle in person--it's hard to explain how well it's made-----quality at it's finest and worth every penny---they can only go up in price as time goes on------good luck and enjoy JIMBO

[HDR]

Originally posted by JIMBO55
like i said, until you see the rifle in person--it's hard to explain how well it's made-----quality at it's finest and worth every penny---they can only go up in price as time goes on------good luck and enjoy JIMBO

I've noticed that also Vepr's are like puppies, every one that handles one wants to take home.. ;)

Its hard to predict which firearms will appreciate in value over time.
Usually the formula is hi-quality and less of them produced or imported. Vepr's might follow the path of Valmets, Yugo's and Steyr Maadis.. Only time will tell.

[recon]

Sweet! :D

[x556]

The two would be separate from each other's functions like on the Galil. They would both have to be set to "fire" to fire (in essence, two safeties). Leave the right one at "go" and safe the weapon with the left. The gun can remain on safe until the shooter pulls up and aims, simply making the weapon hot with the shooting hand's thumbs.

Say what? The safeties on a Galil ARE connected. Move one and the other moves along with it. On the semi push the thumb safety foreward and the right side lever moves down. On the full auto the thumb safety has to be pushed back to off safe.

[RJ Shooter]

Is the GALIL SAR's both connected? I could have sworn the selectors on the one I held were separate. The pivot pins are not even on the same axis.

[RJ Shooter]

Wait, I think I remember now. There is a transfer bar connecting the two, correct?

It's been a while since I messed with a GALIL, and even longer since I fired an ARM, so I stand corrected... (I think) :)

[x556]

The semi right side lever has an extra leg on the safety that connects via a link to the left side thumb lever. The actual pivot for the thumb lever is located on the pistol grip mounting base. The full auto right and left side safeties both use the same pivot, thus the "backward "movement of the thumb safety to go off safe. Although the full-auto safety has to be moved back to fire I actually prefer it. Because of the location of the safety lever in relationship to the thumb when you have a firing grip ( the thumb actually rests in front of the lever) it's easier to just straighten the thumb and flick the lever back than to move the thumb back and then foreward again.

[runyon]

The left side thumb safety is sold by www.k-varcorp.com , it is a new item. The KTR rear sight is available from joeken.

If you are patient, there is a vepr receiver block, due to be in the works in a couple of months, that will allow any Vepr owner, without any modifications, mount the great Ace ltd, Galil type tube butt stock, www.riflestocks.com . Some other work has to get done first.

[Aay Kay Mike]

Originally posted by runyon
The left side thumb safety is sold by www.k-varcorp.com , it is a new item.

While K-Var does sell a left side thumb safety, it is not the same as the one on the KTR. The KTR's thumb safety sounds like it works just like the Galil's (as mentioned previously) - forward motion turns the safety off, unlike K-Var's, which is the opposite, and less desireable operation. It appears that Kreb's modifies the original VEPR safety by welding a tab on the bottom left side of the pivot shaft (internally), and the seperate thumb lever (which pivots on it's own pin, directly below original safety pivot) intersects this tab, and reverses the motion. It kinda works like 2 gears.

Originally posted by runyon
The KTR rear sight is available from joeken.

While an A2 style dust cover mounted rear sight may indeed be available from the above mentioned source, again, it is not the same as the one on the KTR, because it also incorporates a weaver (scope) rail. The rear sight/mount (like the front sight/gas block) are Kreb's exclusives.;)

[Lau]

Received my 7.62 KTR today.....all I can say is sweet mother of jesus this thing is nice. :eek: Brought along a couple mags (polish / bulgy plastic) and they fit like a glove, no play at all. Fit and finish is flawless. Butter smooth trigger. Receiver cover fits rock solid. Alot nicer than my Poly IMHO. Closer to a Galil.

First thing you notice when you bring it up to your shoulder is the solid feel and the way m16 sights line up perfectly. Reminds me of my M1A. Cant wait to try it out on bear / deer this fall.

I ordered mine from Krebs for 1075 shipped. Sent out FFL on 7/29 and got it 8/4. Outstanding!!!!

Dam..... I cant put this thing down.







:D :D :D :D

[runyon]

Sound kind of like buying a $15,000 car and then getting another $12,000 in options put in it.

K-var sells the safety lever krebs uses, there is only 1 made any where, it moves foreward and back, joeken sells the super rear sight and the super front sight with gas block as 1 piece unit. You can get short Weaver rail from Brownells and have it welded on in front of the rear sight, if you want for looks, 74 muzzle brake can be threaded on and fixed in place, a jig saw will cut out your buttstock if you like, you can modify the front handguard with a router table.

It is well known, that a top cover Weaver base is not reliable at all. That is why the Vepr comes with a Russian military base riveted to the receiver.

[BroncoMafia]

Hi Runyon.
I think you massively underestimate what Mark is doing on the KTR.

The sights are not the Hesse super sights.
Those units were stamped (the rears). The KTR stuff is obviously milled.
The rear safety lever is not the same bulgarian part Kvar sells. Look at them, they are different. Mark says his works independantly of the stock safety lever, basically giving you 2.
It also looks like a much higher quality piece than the K-Var part.

Now, I'll admit that you can take those parts, and with a lot of work, put it all together yourself, be a couple hundred dollars more in the hole, and have about a 50/50 chance of making your rifle look better or worse.
How much you want to bet those Hesse front sight-gas blocks won't even fit on the heavy VEPR barrell?

Also, if you think I would take a jig saw to the stock of my beautiful ~$600 rifle, you are crazy :-)
Do you honestly think that what Krebs is doing is that simple, cheap and easy?

I have 4 VEPRs, and I can't bring myself to pay the difference to get it done, but when I look at those rifles, I KNOW that they are absolutely worth the money. Highly customized by a master craftsman with great vision, no shortcuts and the best materials. Easilly the equal of a Galil or a Sako.

I just don't understand where you are coming from here Bro!


Bronco

[Lau]

Runyon seems to ASS UME many things. Its rather funny since he dosnt even own one. I think he believes he can cob together a Sar with parts from various venders and presto' I gots me a KTR.

Unless you run a small machine shop I rather doubt it. I'm sure everyone would like to see a pic of what you could whip up for under $600. :eek:

I prefer to let the AK pros handle it. (Krebs, Inrange) ect....AR's on the other hand...... I am the man. ;)

Hey I got no problem with someone building or modifying their rifles. To each his own.

[BroncoMafia]

I've seen Runyon make some good posts.
I bet I am misunderstanding what he was trying to say.

Lau, you have one BAD ASS rifle.

I finally decided to leave my VEPR's like they are and ordered some Kobra's for them.

If I had a KTR, I would put an aimpoint or an EOtech on it.
I wonder if a Kobra would fit on the KTR with the picatinny rail?

Hey, can you weigh you rifle without a mag and tell me how much it weighs?

Does it feel overly front heavy with the RPK barrel?

Thanks Lau!
Bronco

[Aay Kay Mike]

Lau: Congrats on getting a KTR, and welcome to the forum (I'm kinda new here myself). It won't be long until we're going to have to ask the Administrator for our own KTR forum.;)

I'm also kinda surprised at runyun's comments. He makes it sound like he can build KTR's by just throwin' 'em together with a few off the shelf pieces and assemble them with a hammer, chisel and hacksaw. While there is no doubt that you could make a pretty good clone, you'd be hard pressed to come close to the design, fit, and overall quality that Marc puts into these guns, for the money (no canted sights here!). Plus, the resale value of a duped KTR would be highly questionable. He obviously hasn't seen one in person. He also totally ignored my previous post regarding the KTR's special parts/pieces.:rolleyes: FWIW, judging from his other posts, overall, he does seem to be quite "AK" knowledgeable.

BroncoMafia: I weighed my KTR shortly after I got it. Without the EOTech sight and mag, it weighs about 8 1/2 lbs. (7.62 cal.). The balance point of my gun (again, without EOTech and mag) is right at the forward edge of the magwell. It does seem slightly muzzle heavy, IMO, but not so much to be undesireable. I will get you the length of the scope rail so you can determine if a Kobra will fit or not (maybe Lau could measure his for ya... I'm not within access of my KTR at the moment). I'm not sure though if Marc woud sell the sight/rail seperately for you to put on your VEPR.:confused:

AKM

[BroncoMafia]

Thanks Mike,
It doesn't sound like the reduction in nylon changes the weight of the KTR over a normal VERP significantly, or the balance.

There is so little space between the Kobra and the top cover, that I am sure a rail wouldn't fit under it.
If I were Mark Krebs, I wouldn't sell any of the components individually.
It would erode the value of the finished guns, and the success of the rear site is dependant on the tricks he does with the set screw in the recoil spring guide.

I think that someone with a mill could cut the correct profile in some of the rail/peep combo units available for other weapons like ARs.
I was looking at the peep sight on my Benelli M1 super 90 and it would loop real nice on top of an AK too :-)

I am surprised that Mark has not incorporated a custom tactical sling soultion into his rear stock mods and the custom front end.

Seems like a missed opportunity.

Besides that, the gun is a wet dream :-)

Bronco

[Lau]

Hey guys,

Mine has the standard stock. As Mike stated the balance point with an empty bulgy is at the front of the mag well. With 20 loaded it shifts it back to the center. Feels great. Between the rear sight and the standard stock it really helps move the center of gravity back. That barrel is a heavy mother!

The rail measures 4.25 to rear sight. C to C of the slots measure 2.885. I going with an Aimpoint Comp M as soon as I get some scratch saved up. I got a 1.5x5 Leupold in the meantime. Just need to pick a side scope mount.

Took it to the range today along with 200 rds of 125 hp silver bear.... Barnuel manufacture. Very easy to sight in. Elevation adjustments are standard m16. Push down plunger and rotate. Most easily accomplished with 2 finishing nails.

Groups fired at 25 yds could be covered with a Susan B dollar. Ran flawless. Removed cover between groups and I didnt notice much if any shift in impact. Maybe 1/4". Could have easily been the ammo. Need to load up some quality bullets and a scope to see what she can do.

After 200 rounds of slowfire the handgards barely got warm. This handgard just begs to have some rails mounted to it. Its that beefy. A full length on the bottem and one on the side. That will be an easy do it your selfer.

One miner nitpick is how slick the stock is. It really slides around in your hands. $3.00 worth of skateboard tape will fix that.

Good shooting to ya.

[recon]

$1075 is not bad at all for this rifle! Looks like I need to save up for this one! :D

[SlowRyde]

http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/MAR%2003/KTR03.JPG

hmmm....

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/14220VEPRLITEnew-med.jpg

Good to see some ideas actually make it. I did mine back in Jan. and Feb. of this year to see if there was an easy way to lighten the gun up and see if I could make it smoother handling and quicker to transition between targets. Unfortunately, someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse, and the gun now sits in someone else's safe.

hmmm...I wonder if it made it back east...:D

[recon]

Easy choice there! :D

[recon]

Hmmmm I wonder if you order this rifle in all 3 cailbers if you would get a discount? Hmmmmm!:D

[recon]

Then again maybe not! ;)

[Mayo]

Krebs products are beautiful, and from everything I've heard and seen, appear to be well executed modified VEPRs indeed.

I'll be damned if I (speaking only for myself here) will ever pay that kind of money for an AK or AK variant.

It just seems wrong, and the antithesis of the AK aura. The AK gets the tough labor done that many much higher cost laborers can't , and done well. Without bitching and moaning.

But I will never disparage Krebs' work product or fault any one else for ponying up those kind of dollars. It just ain't my place or my money.

[Kablam]

Anyone know anything about the dust cover with AR style windage adjustable peep sight that Vulcan is selling. It looks like the same AR style peep that Krebs is selling separately (Not the one that's on the KTR.) Krebs has the sight listed on his parts pages. The price is $65.

http://www.krebscustom.com/CustomParts.html

[recon]

It does look like it.

[RedDevil]

What is the barrel twist on the .223 version? What kind of mags are used in the .223 version? Do you know if Krebs plans on making one in 5.45?

[M700Police]

The sight that Vulcan/Hesse is selling is a little bit different than the Krebs sight. Vulcan actually came out with theirs first, however I think the Krebs model is better executed. It has more parts in common with an AR-15 A2 sight and seems a bit more finished in appearance. Same basic idea though.

Vulcan/Hesse unit:
http://www.vulcanarms.com/AV47Supertopcover-LR.JPG

Krebs unit:
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/7564Sight1-med.jpg