Problems with Blackjack buffer.

[vincep]

I purchasesd 2 Green buffers from AIM Surplus the other day . Today i installed it in my SAR 1 and went to the range. It reduced felt recoil significantly, however with the buffer installed i experienced what i believed to be short cycling. I could only fire 2 quick rounds at a time. 50% of the time after the 2 rounds, the gun would jam. Without the buffer i could pop off the rounds as fast as i can squeeze the trigger.

[Blackjack]

I'm sure you probably installed them correctly but I need to ask if you made sure the inclined section of the buffer(ramp) is facing the spring base.

[vincep]

Yes Sir, i installed them correctly. Like i said , There was a very noticable reduction in felt recoil, Just really couldn't rapid fire.

[Blackjack]

If you want to send them back to me I will swap them out for the Black buffers which tend to have less spring or bounce to them, this my resolve your problem.

[conqueringlion]

blackjack and vincep;
hi there, I also experienced something similar to what vincep did when i went shooting saturday. In total me, my brother and 2 cousins ran around 1000 rounds through my sar 1 with the black blackjack buffer installed, correctly, the whole time. I must say, this was purchased during a blem sale, and that *may* be the root of the problem.
Here it is: When shooting controlled shots and normal rapid firing of an entire 30rd mag, Everything was just fine. But when I was bump firing or my one cousin was reallly wailing away on that century trigger, it would let out an amazing burst of 7-10 rounds, and then all the sudden not cycle properly. Pulling back the charging handle expelled an unfired round. But the kicker, the primer was lightly dented by the firing pin. A dud round? No, because I reloaded several and they fired normally. This happened about 6 times total. Strange to me, because i thought this was the rifle that never failed, and here we had about a half dozen no-go's.
Stumped, we finished the day and all came home with smiles on our faces, not bothered by the few bad rounds. (All but one happened to me, and all mine came when I was really bumping it with the string.) When I field stripped the rifle to clean it today, I was completely surprised to see we annhilated your Black jack buffer. Cracked and chipped, you could clearly see where the back of the bolt struck right below the "keyhole" shaped space where you slid it over the spring. I had only run one thousand rounds through mine and it broke down. I have heard of guys putting equal to or more than 1000 rounds through theirs with nary a scratch, they say.
Is this a rare occurrence, or have others experienced this too?
I am speculating when I say that it could have been the heat that got to it. We kept that puppy going pretty good for about an hour and a half with very few long lasting cool downs. it never got back to air temp until we put it away for they day;) I know linx310 tested your product for bumping and volume of rounds, and passed with flying colors, but how HOT did they get? How does the material you make these out of react to heat, does it get brittle or does it get supple?
I must say in all I am very pleased with the appearance, ease of use, and effectiveness of your product—it lives up to its name. But was a little disappointed when the buffer only lasted through one session. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but I just thought you might like some feedback.

Anthony

[Blackjack]

Conqueringlion,

I would have liked to have you as one of my beta/torture testers for these.

Part of the problem very well may have been the buffers you got from the blem sale, many of the black blems were really the softer material used in the green buffers but were poured in the wrong color, which although they absorb more shock won't provide the life the harder buffers will. There are many semi-auto shooters that don't rip off several 100 rds at once that want more recoil reduction, that's what the softer buffer is for.

Seeing as you are an extreem duty shooter, if you will send those buffers back to me I will replace them with my Extreem Duty AK buffers I am developing for full auto use(not publicly for sale yet). I have reports of up to 4000-5000 rds on these under full auto fire and still holding up well.

Thanks for letting me know about this problem, I will start to issue a disclaimer with the softer buffers when using them under bumping or full auto conditions, if one is planning to engage in such practices then they would need to get the Extreem duty model.

As always, I stand behind my products 100% and if you ever have a problem or question regarding my products please feel free to contact me and I will make the situation right.

[conqueringlion]

BlackJack,
I guess our shooting style on Saturday IS what one would call "extreme duty shooting!":eek: But hey, that's what SARs are for;) I would have loved to help you test these great little products, as I love to shoot and they make shooting more enjoyable.
You may or may not recall, but I ordered and received two buffers from your blem sale, one black (which we put through its paces) and one green (unused as of yet.) Was the material the same and only the color different? Would you like me to send back both buffers immediately and at the same time? or Should I see if that black was an isolated incident and try the green buffer out the next time I shoot? Your call. Thanks for the great little product and Tremendous customer service, that's what will keep us ALL coming back for more! I look forward to trying the durability and performance of the "extreem duty AK buffer"—just tell me if you want the used and unused returned or just the broken one. Thanks again,
conquering lion

[vincep]

Basically i usually take one shot at a time . ocasionally i pop,off 3 round bursts and every now and them like to empty a 30 or 40 round mag. So would the Black ones be the ones i want or the extreme duty?

[Blackjack]

The black (soft) blems were actually slightly softer than the normal green buffers and yes there is a slight formula difference between the black and the green material, green being a higher quality urethane from what I'm told, I just can't get it any harder than what it is. I suspect that that black/soft buffer is the exception to the norm and the green blem probably will hold up just fine. I would say try it and if it breaks down I'll replace it also.
In the next couple of weeks I will be publicly offering an "Extreme Duty AK buffer" built to stand up to the abuse of full auto or bump firing, I am thinking it will sell for around $15. I am still getting the feed back in from several FA testers so I don't want to make any official claims yet but so far they are looking real promising.

Vincep,
Try the black buffers(non-blems) and see what you think, send those back to me and I'll exchange them this time, I never have a problem taking care of my customers, I am going to have to talk with AIM though, I won't be able to cover warranty on my products purchaced through them in the future.

I want the word to get around that there is never any risk of getting stuck with a bad product that is bought through me, if they don't work or last as they should you get a replacement or your money back.

My reputation for offering quality products and excellent customer service is by far much more important to me than the few $ it takes to issue replacements.

[vincep]

Sounds good. I'll try to get them in the mail tomorow.