Double the 357 mag powder charge in a Tokarev!

[Clark]

I reamed a Chineese 9mm barrel out to 9x23mm with extra throat to take 158 gr .357" HNDY XTP JHP bullets seated at 1.35". Using Winchester 9x23Win primed brass and 16 gr of Power Pistol the Tokarev shot with authority.

To show how hot this is, the Alliant [Hercules] maximum 357 mag load for 158 gr JSP is 8 gr seated 1.59"

I tried to do this earlier with Starline 9mm Supercomp brass and WSPM primers, but the case would always blow out at 12 gr.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=322911

Can you imagine trying this in the woosy CZ52 that blow up with a 17% overload?

[Buster Charlie]

WOW YOU ARE SO FRIKEN COOL! I bet you get all the chicks! Keep us updated on your amazing data we are all very interested in hearing about how you can recklessly overload guns! FANTASTIC!

[Clark]

Yeah, and "Darwin awards are not urban legends, if they are found to be
untrue, they are discredited. But they are belived to be true at the
time of posting, usualy you need a police report to be included. Some
turn out to be fake, most are real." -Buster Charlie

Thomas Magnum, Buster Charlie, sfc ret, and teadie don't seem to like my posts.

Ezra Coli and JA seem ok with my posts.

I have been posting things about the frailty of the CZ52 in lots of places:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67826
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=10&TID=7542&SID=1140910
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=CZ52%20&safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_ugroup=rec.guns&as_uauthors=clark&lr=&as_scoring=d&hl=en
http://talk.shooters.com/room_47/7653.cfm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wa-ccw/message/26767
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=22034&highlight=CZ52
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3047&highlight=CZ52
http://www.reloadbench.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000494-2.html
http://www.loadyourown.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000106.html
http://pub125.ezboard.com/fcollectorguns35625frm5.showMessage?topicID=111.to pic
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118237

[Boogieman]

Clark...Why do you have such a hard on for the CZ-52? Did someone at CZ wipe their rear on your drapes?
:)

Just out of curiosity...how many CZ-52's are you going to blow up just to prove that the gun doesn't do the job that it wasn't designed to do?

[Clark]

I will harp a few more years until the next load book comes out that corrects the mistake.

I am in excellent conditions [I ride my mountain bike at least 800 vertical feet every day] and I should last quite a few more years.

I don't really work much anymore, but if the phone rings with a job, I usually go do it. So I can overload guns most every day. Today was Tokarevs and a C-96.

I seem to get energy from going to the gun shows, buying a whole bunch of guns, and then overloading them and writing down what happened.

So after overloading dozens of guns, you can imagine my surprise when I discovered that the CZ52 has a chamber like an egg shell.

[Buster Charlie]

Why not just publish your own correct load book and let capitalism take its course.

[Clark]

1) Get all the free load data from powder manufacturers; Alliant, Accurate Arms, Hodgdon, IMR, Vihtavuori, and Winchester. But ignore; Norma, Nobel, Rex, Scot, Vectan, and Ramshot.

2) Buy the load manuals from the Powder manufacturers that sell them; Accurate Arms, Hodgdon, and Vihtavuori.

3) Buy the load manuals from the Bullet manufacturers that sell them; Speer, Sierra, Hornady, Lyman, and Nosler.
But ignore; Barnes, Swift, A-Square, and Lapua.

4) Load development:
You need safety margin. If you don't know what that is, put some popcorn in the microwave for one hour. The instructions on the bag say 12 minutes, and smoke stinks up the lunchroom in 20 minutes. It stinks up the whole building in 30 minutes. That 20 - 12 = 8 minutes is safety
margin.

5) Writing the loads part of the book:
Reduce the powder manufacturer's max load by 5%. That is your max load.
Reduce your max load by 10%. That is your starting load. Paraphrase any anecdotes about the caliber written in the bullet manufacturer's load books.

6) Calibrating test equipment:
The only thing that counts is a calibration sticker. To make one, on a piece of paper, write, "Popcorn: minimum 10.3 minutes, not to exceed 11.4 minutes". Tape that paper to the front of the microwave. Your equipment is now calibrated.

7) The other stuff in the book:
Find someone who handloads and take pictures of his hands while he loads a cartridge.
Paraphrase the pages of text in the load books you bought; accuracy, safety, blah, blah, blah...

8) Try to do a good job:
With $200 outlay and an afternoon's work you can sell 10,000 books at $10 each wholesale and $3 each to have printed, you will make enough money to pay the rent for a year.

HOW TO REVISE YOUR LOAD BOOK.
1) Wait at least a year, or until the first printing has sold, whichever comes last.
2) Get the latest free load data from the powder manufacturers.
3) Look for any new powders or calibers that were not in your first edition.
4) To add these new loads, reduce the loads by 5% for max load, and that by 10% for starting loads.
5) Charge $12 wholesale per book. Make the money last until you write the 3rd edition.

Cross marketing:
Find some guy who makes benchrest bullets in his garage and get drunk with him. Fix him up with your sister. If you could start selling his bullets by featuring them in your book, you would both benefit. You could find some surplus "blems" to fill in the product line, and he and your sister may spawn a gun culture dynasty.

[Fistula]

Theory:

Clark likes the 7.62x25 (so do I).
Clark likes the form factor of the Tok (so do I).
Clark has a science background and thinks technical accuracy is important (ditto).

Therefore- Clark is doing research on something he likes because he likes the subject matter and wants to clear up a common urban ledgend found in this niche.