Faulty sear,hmm, That's Easy,

[comrade]

I was just looking at the action of my AK, would a sear(I think, the "S" looking part in the midle of trigger pin) that has notch on top of if filled off, create a full auto effect, safely(physically). no inspection would detect the "full-autonnes" on your AK, and just have a Decoy Tack-Trigger on it or any other full-auto wanna be cheep trigger,
Talking my own risk, would that ever function? as it should?

Thanks

[Heavy Metal]

Everyone thinks they can file this off and get full auto. Hell, wouldn't it be easier just to REMOVE IT!!!???? Trigger parts come out easy. But seriously, This phenomon is like a 13 year old boy thinking he is the first person on Earth to invent masturbation. Everyone has this thought at one time or another
To answer your query: No, there are several reasons this is NOT a good thing to do
Reason 1) It will greatly increase the danger of an out of battery detonation (before the bolt is fully locked) KABOOM!!!
Reason 2) Your Rifle will jam like a mofo because you will get light primer strikes. It might fire five or six rounds if your lucky before it jams. The hammer must SMARTLY strike the firing pin. What you propose is to allow the hammer to ride behind the bolt/boltcarrier in a camming, not a striking action. The hammer spring will dissapate most of it's energy against the bolt/bolt carrier before it can reach the firing pin.
Reason 3) No auto safety sear in the gun. This is the part real full auto rifles has that a semi does not. Note the word safety. This device prevents the hammer from falling until the bolt is fully locked in it's forwardmost position. It is tripped by a lug on the bolt carrier and then it releases the hammer. It prevents the problems listed in reasons one and two.

In summation,
Don't do it because:
1) At best, you will take a reliable semi auto rifle and make a very unreliable full auto with it.
2) If you fire it enough, you will blow up a good rifle and damage yourself.
3) It is still an illegal mod. There are books and parts for sale that can let you modify it correctly and make a true AK. This is still illegal, but at least you won't blow your face off!
4) Just save your pennies and get a REAL class three full auto AK.

If they repealed the laws against owning unregestered full auto tomorrow, I would not do this mod under ANY circumstances, it is too dangerous to me and my precious AK and will make a less effective weapon at best. The disconnector is there for safety and function, not some kind of rifle governor. Let it do it's job.

Shoot Safe,
Heavy Metal

[comrade]

Ever seen a guy with a gun, Crying...

[b james]

Don't cry Comrade, I dont know if you ever fired a full auto, but, while it's a kick for a while, it gets old and expensive real quick. Plus it's like shooting a shotgun on steroids, all you can do with any accuracy in full auto is lay out a wall of lead. Don't ruin your gun...

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Freedom, Liberty,and my AK for anything else.

[This message has been edited by b james (edited 11-03-1999).]

[jim haugh]

It might be BS but someone at the range told me the guys that went nuts in Cali. did something like that.

[Billy]

Are you talking about the Cali. Bank robery, with the guys dressed in full body armor?

[General Ourumov]

From what I read in a magazine, they supposedly had MAK-90's which were converted to full-auto.

[Lisl Auman]

I also read in a mag that those ak types were brought up from mexico.

But you got to admit, when TSHTF, they dropped the ARs and kept the AKs.


Lisl Auman, Political Prisoner in the US



[This message has been edited by Lisl Auman (edited 11-22-1999).]

[Heavy Metal]

You talking about the Hollywood bank robbery? The guns they thru down were full auto HK-91's. they did not use AR's

[Side Folderx]

A sad thing but the guy with the full auto AK got taken out by a bushmaster AR.

[Heavy Metal]

I see nothing sad about it. Thats what the bastard gets for indescriminate shoot and for poor fire disipline and being a dumbass in general.

[KillBill]

Well put Heavy Metal!

[Mr. Inbetween]

, This phenomon is like a 13 year old boy thinking he is the first person on Earth to invent masturbation. [/B]

You mean I didn't?

[clay]

Well, I've got to disagree w/ b james. I have a C3 selectfire AK, and it neither 'gets old or expensive real fast'. AK ammo is cheap, or at least just as inexpensive as some of the 9mm and 45ACP stuff out there. My AK fires around the 500 rpm mark (rate-reducer/antibounce device). It's runs about as fast as a M3 Grease-Gun.
Every shoot that I go to, my AK the favorite weapon for everyone to shoot. These guys will shoot it as long as I'm there. It's the one C3 weapon that's always on the line. It never jams, and after you get the hang of controlling the recoil, it can be accurate. There are always semi-auto AK's available to fire at every shoot, but once someone shoots one of the Select-fire AK's, the semi's don't get touched for the rest of the day.
Some of us prefer the select-fire weapons. They are a LOT more fun, and give a lot more bang for the buck. Just my two cents...

[Richard Bird]

What model AK of yours is it with the "(rate-reducer/antibounce device)?
I heard of the AMD-65 having a rate reducer,
due to it's diminutive size, but non of the other full size FA's.

[clay]

I installed the 'rate-reducer/anti-bounce' device into a Poly-Tech, but the chinese guns don't actually need the anti-bounce device, because they are a little thicker than the other countries AK's. Therefore, the only real advantage of installing this device for me was to slow the rate of fire to a controlable level. I read an interview where Kalishnikov himself said that the device was not ever intended to slow the rate of fire, but the fact that it does is just sort of a secondary benefit to having one in the weapon. I saw an original Russian AK, unaltered from the factory, that had one installed in it, and since it was a milled receiver, the only reason for it to be there would have been to make sure that the bolt went all the way into battery before the weapon fired. The receiver of an AK twists slightly when being fired on fully automatic, and the rate-reducer/anti-bounce device slows the rate of fire enough that it takes much of the stress of the twisting out of the receiver. Not much twisting to worry about on a milled receiver, but countries that use the thinner stamped receivers take that stess on the receiver from the twisting into consideration.
The rate-reducer/anti-bounce device that I installed was a Romanian unit, and since it is a Chinese gun, I also had to change the chinese double arm hammer to the single arm hammer.

[alter-ego]

bad idea! for all the reasons mentioned.

[Stormin]

Very bad, but nobody here really pointed out the REALLY bad reason - the trigger doesn't have any effect anymore. As soon as you chamber a round, the hammer will fall. I have in fact tried this on a Ruger 10/22 and a M1 carbine, and only got light primer strikes anyway, it wouldn't fire (ya ya I know but I just had to try it).

[Repairoman]

Sidefolder,
I've got the commercial version of the Hollywood Bank Robber tape and the bad guy definitely offs himself with a pistol shot under the chin. The cop was trying to un-jam his AR and the BG got tired and wasted himself. The only hit they got was moments earlier when a lucky shot hit him in the hand, causing him to drop the pistol momentarily.

[Heavy Metal]

Originally posted by Repairman:
Sidefolder,
The cop was trying to un-jam his AR and the BG got tired and wasted himself.

The cops were using post ban bushamsters proabaly with the Kalifornia legal 10 round BM mags that were notoriously awful. They borrowed these rifles from a local gun store. It is ironic that these cops were almost killed by an unintended side effect of this stupid law that was trying to protect them.



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[Bryant]

Master the Bump method- it is about as close to full auto that you can safely do without actually doing anything illegal.