84S in 5.56 converted to 5.45 x 39

[Narley]

Here is a link that shows a picture of an Norinco 84S in 5.56 that was converted to 5.45 x 39 one way of getting your preban Krink kit, think you still need the SBR permit but you can have a folder if you want and any break you want. Firing Line did the work, you will need to take the * out of the link, just cut it and paste in your browser and remove the * Hope someone finds it of interest.
http://www.ak47*forums.com/Forum50/HTML/000043.html

[KGB]

Hey! That's my rifle! Mike at the firing line did the work for me on that one. It's a pre-ban Norinco 84s and the K-var bulgarian aks-74 kit. Too bad he didn't have one of the bulgarian black polymer mags for the photo. It looks sweet in all black. This is the gun that I have my ATF form one on the loop on. When that clears, I'm sending it back to him for the conversion

hey KGB, how well does it work?
Did he use the 5.45 bulgarian trunnion or did he keep the chinese trunnion and use the .223 bolt?

[recon]

Does informer also do this kind of work?

[SClark]

Recon no Informer is known to do more precise work than that. He did a SA85 for me and he bitched because of what you see in that picture to. If you look the trunion does not fit all the way. And the rivets are FLAT and not round headed like the originals. The way is it does not match the front rivets.

[raf32]

I have a Norinco 84S, 223 fixed stock that I might use for a 5.45 Krink conversion. I have heard that these are the best pre-ban recievers to convert to 5.45x39 Krinkov configuration. Has anyone else heard this?

[KGB]

The trunnion is the original Chinese, and the rivets on the rear trunnion are the ones supplied to me by K-Var. I have a post-ban Romainian AKS-74, and the rivets are the same on that one too. The rifle shoots like a dream, low recoil, plus quick and accurate follow-up shots.

I have also heard that the 84s is a good donor rifle for the Krinkov kits. The .223 mag wells are the right size for the 5.45 mags. The 7.62 receivers are a little big in the mag well for the 5.45 mags, so your class 2 smith will have to build up the mag well if you decide to use a 7.62 receiver.

[KGB]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SClark:

If you look the trunion does not fit all the way. </font>

Huh??? the original bbl was turned down, and as I said, the gun uses the original receiver/trunnion combo. Hell, with my Romanian '74, you can see daylight through the damn thing. The trunnion fit isn't that bad IMHO.

[Narley]

KGB, I posted this link thinking people would find it of interest with the cheap 5.45 Krinkov kits being offered. I thought this would be something for them to consider as a possible solution to the receiver problems they may be facing.

Since I posted it, I feel I should apologize to you for the ignorance of people like Sclark and Valmet M76. Why these people would downgrade, and point out flaws in a man's pride and joy project is beyond me, there just is no excuse for people like them.

I thought your idea of taking a preban Norinco 84s in 5.56 and having a AKS-74 kit installed was really unique. You took the risk of trying something new and different, and I feel it turned out very well, it looks great. So what if the rivets are flat, who cares but possibly a self proclaimed purist on their own gun. It is your gun, you are happy, so what should it matter to them. You did not ask for their negative feedback. I feel you did not deserve them.

You have a really great looking rifle. I would think you should get numerous positive comments on it. I am sorry you had to put up with these simple minded people, and hope you do not get anymore snide remarks from them.

I still can't believe their actions, but I guess it just points out their non-social behavior, and lack of plain and simple courtesy.

I hope other people can give you some positive comments, you certainly deserve those.

That is a great rifle, and I am sure there are lots of people who would love to own a gun such as yours, I know I would. I would be very proud of it, as you should be.

Again, it is too bad people like this are allowed to be on these boards, if they just want to come here to bad mouth people and bitch, they should just talk to themselves in the mirror. I was brought up with higher moral standards. I believe you should have more respect for yourself, and especially others, than these people seem to have.

KGB, I wish there was something more I could say to you than just sorry. I hope you are able to ignore these stupid people.

Well this post did make up my mind to do a 5.45, At first I was going to build a Krink In 5.45, then changed my mind due to the difficulty and possible legal problems doing so. Then I saw this post, called Mike at the firing line, and went out and bought myself a NIB ,yes new in box, 84s-1 underfolder to use as a 5.45 krink donor. I just happened to find one for a smoking deal, and now I'm gonna chop it up.
I'm keeping th underfolder, I don't really care for the side folding stock, But thats just my personal taste.

[ValmetM76]

Hell Narly, it's SLOPPY WORK!
The guy this rifle belongs to SHOULD BE PISSED!

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=957843&a=8928448&p=37796014

The rear trunion is poorly POORLY fitted, the rivets are just squashed and the thing has a $25 parkerizing job done on it.

It is NOT good work.


I don't know why you are so compelled to carry DIRTY WATER for Firingline and BLUERIDGE, but neither place has a good reputation for QUALITY or GOOD WORK.

Only you seem to be trying to lead lambs to slaughter by tooting the pipe for those outfits.

Why is that?

Mike

[This message has been edited by Valmet M76 (edited 01-12-2001).]

[BeePee]

So if Firing Line and/or Blue Ridge are no good, who can convert my 7.62 Norinco into a functioning 5.45 Krinkov? There are a slug of guys building FAL's. Where are all the AK builders?

[KGB]

Hey Narley, I sincerely appreciate your positive remarks. I was a little taken aback by all of the criticism (especially for the flat rivets in the rear trunnion). That's the way the K-Var kit was sent to me. Quite frankly, I didn't even notice... Anyway, I must say that that is a rather unflattering picture. The park job turned out really nice. It's just poor lighting in that picture. I'm actually quite pleased to have a pre-ban style AKS-74 folder. The Firing Line actually does really good work. But, hey, you know what they say about opinions.......

I'll try and post some better pics later. You really ought to see it with my good Romanian wood furniture, and a 45 rnd RPK-74 mag.

[MickeyMose]

Guys don't pay any heed to Valmet - he is always trashing something - meds probably running low again. Just ignore him, nice looking piece. Firingline and Blue Ridge are both good, deal with confidence.

[Sturmgewehr44]

Valmet, get a life. If you have to bash someones work that's one thing, but this is a member's rifle that was posted by someone offering an idea, not praising or questioning any work. You're a complete fucknut for bashing the dude's gun. I bet you have a small dick too.

Hey, I bet if you ask the guy, he'll give you his address and you can go tell him to his face the gun is a POS. I'll help him hose up the blood after they cart your sorry ass away.

GETTING BACK TO WHAT THE MOTHERFUCKING POST WAS ABOUT BEFORE THE SCHLANG HAD TO CHANGE IT:

That's a cool idea. Since I have a kit and was thinking of chopping up a SAR2, I think I'll instead look for a chinese gun to chop. Hey if I can have my cake and eat it too, why not? What's the going price on one of those puppies?

StG

KGB,
How does the gun run? does it jam or anything? How many rnds have you put through it?
Sorry about all the questions.
I'm just not getting answers from anyone.

[lizardpack]

i do not know valmet so i am not just saying this to sid ewith him. I saw this topic and called KVAR and asked teh source. they told me that teh rear rivets are like that but when you install then they are surpose to MAKR RIVET HEADS on them. the rivets are NOT INSTALLED right thats from Kvar.

The trunion from that picture does show a gap at the botton which i would not like. Narley please tell me why you alway attack people when they dont think like you? i have seen you do this a coupl times. are you now going to say KVAR is not right?

[Narley]

Lizardpack, you maybe new because you don't have many posts so I wil address some of your questions.

First I think you are confussed between Valmet and myself. I do not come here much and I don't make it a habit of attacking people, I do go on the defense easy and most of the time it is with Valmet, so if you have seen me attack someone, it was probably Valmet.

As far as the rivets, even though it does not matter to the owner, they are Flat Head rivets, there are also Round Head, Button Head & Pan Head rivets.

The round head is not formed when the rivet is installed in this case at least, there just is not enough material in the head to do that. There could be a chance that the shank on rivet could be formed into a rounded shape if there was enough material, you have the right forming tool, the rivet was made to do that and it was red hot.

Most rivets if you want a round head you use a round head rivet, a formed round head on the shank would probably not look very nice, and would not look the same every time, again the flat head rivets supplied here do not have enough material to form a round head.

As far as the trunion fit, it was not made for this receiver, there is some slope fit to it, but I really don't think it looks that bad, the picture makes it look bad but I think it looks worse then it really is.

The whole point I was trying to make with my repost was to say this is not a case where someone ask (What do you think of the quaility here, can you see any flaws.)
The point was "Here is a neat project idea, I think it turned out pretty good"

There are alot of people looking for ways to get a receiver for the 5.45 and this is one way of doing it, and in a pre ban.

I thought it was very rude to just point out flaws on someones special project.


Valmet M76 you really do not deserve a response, but I am going to restate my reasoning, I am sure I have told you before.

I feel both Firing Line and Blue Ridge are making very good quality items.

I think we should give them all the support we can, they are making American parts for our AKs and went out on a limb to develope them.

I don't know how much money Firing Line put up front to make the Milled Receivers but I know it had to be thousands and thousands of dollars. If not for them, we would not even have an American milled receiver.

Blue Ridge is making a very nice quality Milled Fire Control parts, and here again if not for them, we would only have cheap stamped and cast fire contols that are American made.

I have a Blue Ridge SLR 100 and think it is very nice for what it is, and I feel they do good quality work. I have no regrets buying this gun.

I also have a Firing Line Threaded Milled Receiver and Polish kit that is being built by them, and have no doubt it will be a very nice rifle when done. I am pretty sure it will be my favorite AK when I get it.

If I see a nice American Made product I am going stand behind it. Being a manufacture I know they had to take a chance to make these parts, and I salute them.