Is this C&R eligible?

[bmh95]

I went back to the dealer with the Chilean Mausers, and they are gorgeous, as well as .308. They are "modelo 1895". I'm wondering if they are C&R eligible? The dealer is a large dealer in the northwestern suburbs of Chicago. Anyway, they want me to show them something that says that these particular guns are legal to sell under the 03 FFL. Any thoughts? I'm still kind of feeling my way through all of this, as I am just now starting to make my first purchases.

By the way, these are short .308 mausers, dark colored wood, in very good shape, and are priced between $150 and $200.

[T-Bone_369]

Well that is sort of a gray area - the "List" says all pre-46 milsurps in original configuration are C&R. But this is a 308 conversion in the vein of the Isreali K-98's. I have seen them sold as C&R and other times not depending on who is selling. If you consult the book all it says is "original". I have never heard a satasfactory answer to what that means - for the record I have also seen sportorized milsurps sold as C&R. So, the long and the short of it is you can show them the list (there is a listing for German made Mausers including exports and it would fall into the pre-46 catagory also so there are two avenues). Let them make the call. And good luck.

BTW - I have had Illnois dealers react in very different ways - most just honor the 03 and log it out - several insisted in making the NCIS call anyway with all the paperwork and such just like a nonC&R sale. I have read the Illinois statutes and the way it is written it makes no distinction between 01 and 03 transfers but many guys are just afraid of running into unexplored territory.

[5toolman6]

If you live in Illinois you probably will have to go the NCIS route.

[REDSTAR]

If it's got a date on it that puts it over 50 years old you can show them my letter from the ATF posted in the FAQ's forum.

[lpspinner]

Actually, if it was made in 1895 - 1898, then it's not C&R it's an antique and therefore no FFL, C&R or NICS required.

[Karl/PAxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Originally posted by lpspinner
Actually, if it was made in 1895 - 1898, then it's not C&R it's an antique and therefore no FFL, C&R or NICS required.
Sportsman's Guide brought in a whole slew of them about 5 or 6 years ago, both Chilean and Argentine. Those with shot out barrels were rebarreled in .308. They sold for $99 to $129, no FFL needed. My brother got an Argentine in .308 and loves it.

[bmh95]

Originally posted by REDSTAR
If it's got a date on it that puts it over 50 years old you can show them my letter from the ATF posted in the FAQ's forum.

I'm going to have to look at the date regarding the 1898 cut-off date. Is there any documentation that supports that?

Redstar, thanks, I had forgotten about you posting a letter from the ATF.

[Pa.Patriot]

Originally posted by bmh95
I'm going to have to look at the date regarding the 1898 cut-off date. Is there any documentation that supports that?


www.atf.gov


BTW: "modelo 1895" means just that. "Model" 1895.

The year it was made will determine C&R status.

As long as it was made before 1953 your C&R.

There are no chilean Mausers I know of that are not C&R-- fwiw.