AK lightning link

[bossman]

I`ve seen a diagram for a sheetmetal part called a lightning link for the AR15.Has anyone heard of a similar device for the AK47/74?I`m not interested in breaking the law, I just like to know how it`s done.
Curious,
Bossman

[China Sports]

Nope, a lightning link for the AK does not exist, however a DIAS does, but hasn't been released to the public. I'm the designer of that piece, if someone has beat me to it lemme know, but I've designed a DIAS, but it only works in stamped reciever rifles.

I used a CAD program and figured a way to make a drop in auto sear for it, which i think would work quite well. all auto parts are required, just no drilling.

~CS

[Packrat]

Are you saying a Lightning Link doesn't exist, or can't exist? It looks like the same principle would work, just needs to fit the AK, not the AR.

I assume possession of a Lightning Link is illegal if you also possess a gun it can be used in. Would it be illegal for me to possess one, if I don't own an AR?

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Packrat

[Gen-X]

Correct me here if I'm wrong, but isn't there no more mfg. of MG after the 86" law was passed and does it apply to FA parts as well? Only Class II are permited to mfg. these types of parts. The DIAS would only be offered to LEO/Mil individuals and loathed by civies like us, correct? http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/frown.gif

Packrat:
I believe having an unregistered LL would be considered illegal if the owner has an AR15. From what I've read on the topic, any evil features, CAR stock, FS, FA parts, and etc . . . that is within the vicinity of the firearm is considered readily available to convert into an illegal SAW or MG. There are registered LL and DIAS for AR15's from what I've read. If one is really concerned about the TEOTWAWKI, buy and store the FA parts at another location separate from your AR15. Also, having just one FA part in an AR15 is illegal. Really stupid since that one part will not neccessarily make the firearm go FA, IMHO!

[This message has been edited by Gen-X (edited 04-12-2000).]

[777]

China Sports,

That's interesting. My question is since your DIAS requires that you have FA parts already installed, how does this DIAS improve or alter the performance of an already FA gun?
Thanks.

[China Sports]

As for improving performance, it wouldnt, simply gets rid of the hassles of drilling. Its a shame about the 86 ban because it would only be available to LEO/Military/Export only, which they might as well just get RR Guns.

As for Lightning Links, nobody said they cant exist, they just dont. The difficult thing is finding a point for the link to pivot on so that it will work correctly.

~CS

[Packrat]

I wonder if it could work against the brace rivet on a stamped gun? And the space between the cut-out for the disconnector and the cut-out for the trigger would have to be pretty small, unfortunately as this is the area that gets the wear. Guess it can't be done practically.

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Packrat

[Lisl Auman]

Just an idea:
Let's get out of the box for a moment.
Let's forget about how the AK's FA sear trips the trigger.

I haven't looked into my AK in a while, but how about a drop-in design along the lines of the FA M-16?

Would it be possible to weld a lip on the back of the AK's bolt carrier to trip the trigger after the bolt is locked into battery?

I'd bet one could just use brackets over the regular pins to guide a piece of metal that would release the trigger.

Just a thought...as I've said, it's been months since I've looked into my AK.


As for FA parts, I'd bet a lightning link in your possession, but not FA registered to you is a definite no-no. For me, all of my ARs are pre-ban w/o the auto sear block, so the LL wouldn't work for me. But I'd bet it'd still be illegal for me to have in my possession. If there's any doubt, it's not worth it (IMHO). Besides, controlled fire is better anyway.

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Proverbs 27:7
He who is full loathes honey, but to the hungry even what is bitter tastes sweet.

[This message has been edited by Lisl Auman (edited 04-22-2000).]

[MG_JIM]

I will reply to you question no there is no
LL for the AK but there is a Conversion out
there that is SOOOOOOO easy yous think how can that be!

[MG_JIM]

yea CHina Sports how do you pass the guid
rail without modifing it??? huh?

[gunbuff]

Originally posted by MG_JIM:
I will reply to you question no there is no
LL for the AK but there is a Conversion out
there that is SOOOOOOO easy yous think how can that be!SOOOOOOOOOOOOO are yougoing to tell us how it works ?

[Side Folderx]

LL? Why bother Drill the holes slot the rail and do it right.

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[pa kettle]

You forgot the "Go To Prison" part.

[Side Folderx]

Hey PA,

Would one do any less time for having a LL compared to the real thing I dont think so. I think you need to read the posts again, since we are talking illegal conversions here.Just my .02 but if you are going to do it do it right that is my only point

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[pa kettle]

Both ways are illegal, but just making sure the people know the consequences. Not everyone does. No harm no foul.

[akman47]

My story is that there is no way to make a DIAS or Lightning link. The rear of the receiver is in the way. Anything you could attach to the rear of the carrier to trip the disconnector would 1)be smashed against the rear trunnion, or 2)be placed so that the disconnector would trip before the bolt engages fully into battery. Also, it would have to clear the frame rails the whole length of travel - impossible!

[htk]

We're all talking about these things for informational use and no body is dumb enough to admit to any wrong doing, RIGHT?

[pa kettle]

God I hope so. Never know.

[Ticonderoga]

Gen X and Packrat: Having a LL by ITSELF is illegal as the LL IS considered an MG (as opposed to a FA carrier).

[DaveL111]

Mike@MSC says that the fire control parts on a Galil .308 can be used to make a FA weapon without drilling the receiver, which is verbotten. You have to mill a guide slot in the receiver to make it work. Having the parts OR the slotted receiver separately would not be illegal, but having them both would be unless you are a Class II manufacturer.

[SeanC]

From what I have read there was a DIAS for the AK type guns prior to the 86 ban. I'm not positive but it might have been Long Mountain Ord. that made them. The ATF ruled that since the receiver had to be modified(I think this was cutting the slot in the rail) then the recievers were in themselves MG's, and grandfathered them as such. I may be wrong on some points, but I remember reading about this a long time ago.

[clay]

I have seen a 'lightning link' for the AK. It was a device that a C2 manufacturer buddy of mine made up with a registered HK sear. You didn't have to drill the receiver, but you did have to slot the right side guide rail for the sear trip, and use the full auto bolt. He only made one, because he said there was no market for the device, as no LE department would even consider using an AK because of liability reasons, and that even if they did, they would just buy the selectfire model. Basically, there was just no money in the device, so he shelved it. Cool idea, though.

[clay]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by clay:
[B]I have seen a 'lightning link' for the AK.
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You know, I guess that was really a DIAS, and not a 'lightning link'. And wasn't really 'drop in', because you had to slot that rail. Just clearin' up the terminology a bit.