AR Question

[Remington Man]

Alright... I'm looking for a stripped lower receiver for an AR-15/M-16 and what would one cost. Also, would an AR15/M16 lower reciever be able to work with an M4 upper (if there's even a difference between M16 and M4 uppers) or with an M4 as a whole?

Thanks for any help and yeah, I am new at this...

[aceatm1nd]

Your way off in NFA territory there, ya know?

Any AR receiver(standard) should work just fine with any AR parts. m16 has a longer barrel and handguards than an m4.
AR-15 is legal to build and own without that pricey little tax stamp.

[oclvtrek]

You should be able to find post-ban lowers starting around $85 and going up to $150 or so. I recommend looking for a Mega or Rock River Arms lower because they seem to be the best deals right now and both are just as good as anything else out there. You can also find some good deals on Eagle Arms (Armalite) too, usually less than $100.

Any post-ban upper you get should fit on any of the lowers mentioned above. You may want to check with J&T Distributing in “Parts, Accessories, Distributors” section below because they sell whole kits with the upper already built. Their M4 kit has a chrome-lined bore too! J&T can also get you hooked up with one of their Double Star lowers if you feel like one stop shopping.

[TacWac]

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[D.Brown]

Remington,

NFA regulates the production of full auto weapons.

The assult weapons ban further regulates semi auto weapons.

What you are proposing could result in a violation of both.

It is possible to use an ar lower and internal parts, with a compliant M-4 forgery top.

It is possible to build exactly what you would like. But, it would have to be built on a registered machine gun. This would not be inexpensive. The transfer tax is not a quick or easy process either.

Dan

[Dano523]

Remington Man,

Here a quick run down. The receiver that you buy will be a post ban AR-15 semi-automatic receiver. On the rifle, you will use Ar-15 semi-automatic parts. On the upper, the non-Colt lower receivers will use standard Mil-spec takedown pins, so any of the upper that are mil-spec will fit the lower (A-1, A-2, A-3, or M-4 ramped).

As far as a post ban M-4 semi auto clone, there are a few kits that will suit the bill, just remember to tell the supplier that you are building up a Post ban AR-15 rifle, and the kit will come with a muzzle brake (not a FS), and the butt stock will be a fixed in the open position.

If you want to build up a M-4 semi clone that had the telescoping stock, the flash hider, and the bayonet lug, then you would need to start with a pre-ban receiver that was built into a rifle before the assault weapons ban. The post ban receiver will run you less than $100, where as the pre ban receiver will run you in the $500 range, and chances are you would have to buy a Pre-ban rifle just to get the lower receiver.

P.S. The reason that everyone jumped off the deep end was that you stated that you wanted a M-16/ True M-4. This rifle is a fully automatic machine gun, which is a NFA item. On Nation Firearm Act items, there was a ban passed on May 19, 1986 that stated that no more additional MG' could be registered in the NFA registry for form 4 sales (civilian sales). So in regards to building a MG, you would need to buy a registered receiver (on the books before May19, 1986) and build up from there. The RR's are going for around $7000, and you would need to pay another $200 for a NFA tax stamp (to transfer the receiver to you).

[aceatm1nd]

If a receiver is pre-ban and has been assembled into a rifle in the pre-ban era, it does not necessarily qualify to be built into an assault weapon-i.e.pre-ba configuration. It MUST have been assembled as a assault weapon in pre-ban times to do so. You will also need proof of such assembly if the ATF comes a knockin.

If the rifle has never been an assault weapon dy definition it would be illegal to turn it into one, regardless of WHEN it was a completed rifle. There are thousands and thousands of pre-ban made rifles that were never assault weapons, and if these were ok to turn into assault weapons, the market would not demand such a high calling.

[Dano523]

Originally posted by aceatm1nd
If a receiver is pre-ban and has been assembled into a rifle in the pre-ban era, it does not necessarily qualify to be built into an assault weapon-i.e.pre-ba configuration.



The fact that No AR-15 rifle came with any bare barrels (non-threaded, non-FS) until after
the ban, means that every one of the AR-15 rifles produced before the ban were an Assault weapon by the ban standards. The fact that the AR-15 rifle uses a detachable mag starts the rifle on the way as a subject for the ban, then the pistol grip, and the FS (The extra item) puts it over the top. Even if the pre-ban didn’t have a telescoping stock, nor bayonet lug, the FS is one more item (evil feature) then the Ban allows, and the reason that all the Pre-ban rifles were grandfathered by the ban.

[aceatm1nd]

gotcha.... didn't know that!

[saleen]

The whole assembled prior to the ban thing is only a concern with brands that were manufactured and sold both as assembled rifles and stripped receivers. PWA comes to mind as a "pre-ban" manufacturer that also put out stripped lowers, as does Olympic Arms and Bushmaster.

As long as the manufacturer is still in business, they can provide you a letter stating whether the reciever was built into a complete rifle, what date it was shipped, etc. That is unless you have an Olympic arms due to a fire several years ago that apparently destroyed some records. If you have a receiver by PWA, it should fall below a certain number (35,222) with all subsequent post bans having a year prefix in the S/N. The S/N alone does not guarantee "pre-ban", you may need a letter from a previous owner (or if you are the original owner, your testimony) that the rifle was assembled in AW form prior to the ban.

Or you can just wait until next Sept. and not worry about it anymore. :D


Saleen