Most accurate AK-47?

[Polarisman]

Ok Guys, I've read all about how much more accurate AR-15's are supposed to be the AK's. Which manufacturers make the most accurate AK-47's? IS there much of difference between the accuracy of pre-bans vs. post-bans? How well suited are the AK-47's to having scopes mounted on them? Are there any AK-47's that can shoot m.o.a. at 100 yrds? Is the 5.45x39 that much more accurate than 7.62x39? How about the AK-47 in the .223? I really do think that the AK is a phenomenally reliable design, now I am trying to figure out which is its most accurate platform. Thanks in advance.

[CAMPYBOB]

talking semi-auto ONLY here.

my most accurate ak-47 (7.62x39) is a preban poly legend.

my most accurate variant is a sleazy, cheap romanian sar-2 / 5.45x39.

i installed a pso-1 on my sar-2. the ultra light recoil makes the short eye relief of the military butt acceptable. the target scope extracts what inherent accuracy the ak frame has in it...which the short radius open sights do not.

1 moa out of an ak? maybe. but not any that i have shot.

[krinkovx]

the most accurate --me and my bulgarian ak-74 folder,at 100 yards you won't get away,but why would you be runnin in the first place?take care,krinkov

[clay]

Accuracy with an AK should start with the ammo. If you haven't tried Black Hills Match Grade 7.62x39, you should. I couldn't believe the difference. It will cut your shot group sizes in half, compared to the Russian and Chinese, and S&B ammo out there. While the Black Hills ammo is expensive, it is worth it. Not to use it as blasting ammo, but for punching paper at 100 yards, nothing beats it.

[derStahlhelm]

I don't know if i just got lucky or what.
but my sar-1 is very accurate at out to 400
meters it is comparible to my bushmaster
target h-bar. not quite the equal but pretty
damn close.

[Azalin]

An AK that will shoot as almost as good as an AR out to 400 meters? What size groups are you shooting with the two rifles you speak of? Nothing personal I simply find it hard to beleive that the AK is anywhere close to the AR.

Wayne

[Brian]

Hi guys. Let me first relay personal experience.

I haven't shot an AK that equals an AR in terms of accuracy. This is especially true after the barrel begins to warm-up.

The best accuracy I've obtained from a 7.62x39 AKM is 3 MOA out to 300 yards using surplus South African. I think a quality-assembled milled Bulgarian AK-47 could top that with this load. I've never tried the Black Hills loading.

I've done a little more work with the 5.45x39, using a "converted" CUR 2, brake and all. With open sights and the Wolf 60 gr., groups averaged 3.06" (average of eight 3-shot strings @ 100 yds.).

Using the German ZFK optic, the Wolf 60 gr. averaged 2.65" at 100 yards (avg. of five 3-shot strings), whereas the RWS 59 gr. averaged 2.90" (again, avg. of five 3-shot strings).

ARs seem to be capable of 0.5 to 2" groups at 100 yards. I don't know to what range the 55 grain loadings maintain their accuracy, but it seems to me that the 69 grainers begin to outshine the 55s outside of 400 yards, even when used in an M-4C.

I have no experience with the Galils and Valmets, but supposedly they shoot as well as the top-of-the-line ARs. Wouldn't that be great? An "AK" that shoots as accurately as an AR.

Be interetsed to hear what the other guys have to say. Fill me in on your experiences.

Brian

[derStahlhelm]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Azalin:
An AK that will shoot as almost as good as an AR out to 400 meters? What size groups are you shooting with the two rifles you speak of? Nothing personal I simply find it hard to beleive that the AK is anywhere close to the AR.

Wayne</font>

Wayne @100 meters ar 2-2.5"
ak 2.5-3"
at our range the benchrest guy have a 12"
steel plate at 400 meters shooting from prone pos. w/U.S.G.I. bipod I hit it 17 0f 20 w /Ar
durring shooting comp.
I slapped my bipod on sar-1 and tried to duplicate just for shits and giggles.
results 14 of 20 hits.
I don't blame you for doubting my accuracy.
As before I bought this ak i wouldn't of believed this myself.
I am dedicated Ar man (U.S.Army vet 82 /85)
but for the buck and from militia standpoint ak is the way to go
Howard H.Q. co.1stR.V.M.
(Resaca Vol. militia)

check out my ak pic Romanian forum under sar-1
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[Repairoman]

At 100 yards I'm knockin' ya down with any one of my Yugos. That's as accurate as it needs to be.

[derStahlhelm]

Amen Brother!

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[Azalin]

<<<Wayne @100 meters ar 2-2.5"
ak 2.5-3">>>

That sounds about right for the AK but I have seen AR shot .5" to 1" group at 100 to 200 yards. So incomparison the AK is still not that great (but it is sufficant for war). Sorry to doubt you I should have ask what size your groups were.

<<<for the buck and from militia standpoint ak is the way to go>>>

You won't here any arguments from me on that stand point.

Wayne

[Azalin]

<<<Wayne @100 meters ar 2-2.5"
ak 2.5-3">>>

That sounds about right for the AK but I have seen AR shot .5" to 1" group at 100 to 200 yards. So incomparison the AK is still not that great (but it is sufficant for war). Sorry to doubt you I should have ask what size your groups were.

<< for the buck and from militia standpoint ak is the way to go >>

You won't here any arguments from me on that stand point.

Wayne

[derStahlhelm]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Azalin:
<<<Wayne @100 meters ar 2-2.5"
ak 2.5-3">>>

That sounds about right for the AK but I have seen AR shot .5" to 1" group at 100 to 200 yards. So incomparison the AK is still not that great (but it is sufficant for war). Sorry to doubt you I should have ask what size your groups were.

<< for the buck and from militia standpoint ak is the way to go >>

You won't here any arguments from me on that stand point.

Wayne</font>

those groups where rapid fire.i have no use for slow see how tight you can get shooting.
oh yeah i forgot to say that 12" plate was at 400 meters.

[xtc]

the most accurate and well built AK's are the HUNGARIANS

the r also the nicest