Any way to legally convert semi AK74 to full auto?

[Greywolf]

I have a new CUR AK74 that is my pride and joy. I would love to convert it to full auto. I have seen a lot of full auto parts advertised (like bolts, sears, trigger groups, etc.) but my questions are:

1 - How difficult is it to convert? Do you simply have to replace certain parts to make it full auto? Which parts? Are these all available?

2 -Can you legally (with Tax Stamp, etc.) convert a semi-auto AK74 to full auto?

[MarkSx]

It has not been legal to convert to full auto unless you are a Class 2 manufacturer since May of '86. The parts aren't the problem. You must also modify the receiver to accept the parts, which in BATF's eyes, is the making of the machine gun.

[CAV Trooper]

MarkS is 100% correct. A DIYS full auto AK is good for about a 10 year vacation at Club Fed.

The ATF even considers it a violation to have the full auto parts and the semi-auto rifle together at the same time in the same location.

If you really have to have a full auto AK, the only way to legally do it is to buy a transferable (pre 86) rifle. That's assuming your state allows you to own one and you don't mind spending 4-6 thousand dollars for it.

[Greywolf]

Well, poop on a stick. I guess I'll have to make due with a GAT trigger, and the occasional trip to the range that rents full auto stuff.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any range that has a AK74 5.45x39 full auto for rent.

[Davy]

The only way would be to buy a registered FA gun, have it disassembled and the receiver used to build an AK-74, perhaps with a KVAR kit. This is the only legal way to have a Krinkov too, as far as I understand things.

[MarkSx]

A "Krinkov" is still legal as a pre or postban semi however it would then be a Class 3 Short Barrel Rifle or possible an Any Other Weapon. These can be built legally by anyone willing to complete the ATF Form 1 and capable of passing the background check. The $200 manufacturing tax applies similar to the $200 transfer fee on a Form 4.

There are a handful of Post '86 factory full auto Bulgarian AK-74's in country but to own, you must be Class 2 manufacturer or Class 3 dealer with LEO demo letter.

[krinkovx]

yes at the present four factory bulgarian guns in country probably twenty more to follow.d.s. arms is trying to import them right now, for l.e. demo or military and that is it.so i guess that means 24 for the entire trade, not that many thats for sure.take care.krinkov

[krinkovx]

update!!! update!!!just talked with d.s. arms no permits approved yet on bulgarian guns,still waiting so might be a little longer,boy red tape,take care.krinkov

[Fargox]

I have been studying up on this subject lately. If you were to get a FFL, $150.00 bucks for 3 years, and a Class 2 dealer license, $500 dollars a year, you could either make your own AK-74 fullauto or purchase an original like Krinkov is doing. You are basically stuck with the gun for the rest of your life because it is non-trasferable but keep paying the fee for the license and you are totally legal.

If you decide to stop paying for the license, you must torch cut the receiver and you can re-build the gun into a semiauto again with a new receiver or sell the parts as a parts kit.

Pretty simple to get into cheap fullauto if you pay the yearly tax.

[AKM's]

I was at a gunshow last year and saw a MAK 90 with the third hole for the auto sear drilled in the receiver and a pivot pin installed. The auto sear and other full auto parts however were not installed. I asked the guy if this was legal (I did'nt think it was) and he said yes, as long as the auto sear and other full auto parts were not installed in the gun. Is this so?

[MarkSx]

AKM's, NO this is NOT legal!!!! If the holes are there, it is considered by BATF as an unregistered machine gun receiver.

[Rev. Joel]

This is one of the cases where the "hole" itself is the "machine gun". If you are not class III eligible, run don't walk away from the likes of this. It ain't worth the trip to Club Fed. Pax Christi..Rev. Joel

[Bryant]

I have seen several early imports with the "third hole" fuck the feds- if they can own it we should to.

[Ticonderoga]

That's the attitude you're wife/girlfriend will have with the neighbor when you are doing 8-10 in club fed!

Just because a FA receiver made it into the country doesn't make it legal. This would be the equivalent of some 40mm smoke grenades getting imported, and you accidentally got a few HIGH EXPLOSIVE rounds due to a packing/shipping error. Still wouldn't make it legal.

[grobinson8]

Originally posted by Bryant:
I have seen several early imports with the "third hole" fuck the feds- if they can own it we should to.

Damn right!
Glenn

[Dead]

Wonder how many phone calls, faxes, emails from people it would take to get that stupid "not more f/a since 86" dropped. Sure would be nice! http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/biggrin.gif

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Dead [Black-Ops]

[Crash N. Burn]

Wouldn't that be nice? I saw a piece on TV last week how FA shooting is becoming a big sport in Floriduh. If enough of us got off our butts and made phone calls, wrote letters and vote I think you could get the provision removed. It'll never happen while there are people who will read/participate on this board and still say "never happen". If each of us reading this board wrote a letter to his two senators and his rep, things would get better. But since about 1% of us do anything but mumble about it, things will only get worse. I agree though, it sure is fun to dream!

crash


Originally posted by Dead:
Wonder how many phone calls, faxes, emails from people it would take to get that stupid "not more f/a since 86" dropped. Sure would be nice! http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/biggrin.gif

[dirtybob]

it'll never happen.
DB

[MickeyMose]

I would rather just repeal the NFA of 1934 and GCA of 68!!

[Hang-Fire]

I have seen Mak-90 rifles which have a pin permanently press fitted and swelled into the full auto hole. I've seen three or four of these, they also have holes for the underfolding stock. I've seen one today like this. Anybody have any comments? What if someone were to put a spot weld on the pin which is already press-fitted into the hole?

[clay]

Hey guys, listen--ATF takes the position that "once a machine-gun, always a machine gun". Period. Even if the auto-sear hole has been welded back up. If it the receiver was EVER drilled for that sear pin, the weapon is now and forever, no matter what you do to fix it, a machine-gun. That's their position, and they WILL prosecute you for having that hole drilled. And don't think about trying to patch the hole and then refinish the weapon. They also do metal x-rays, and will still prosecute you. It's just best to steer clear of any of the receivers that have had that auto-sear hole drilled. I know it sucks, but that's the way they interpret the ruling.

[MAKOwner]

I bought one of the MAK-90s that originally had the provisions for the underfolder, and I believe the other hole drilled as well. Bought brand new. It was recalled by the BATF about 6 months later, dealer called me up, took it back to him, he swapped me another standard MAK-90 in it's place (actually a nicer MAK). Never understood why it was recalled, I guess it was that sear hole...