Polish P-64 questions

[john law]

I was wondering what info is available on these pistols. I remember seeing a drawing of one in an old American Rifleman issue, but not a real picture. I do not remember the article saying much, and mine did not come with a manual. Any data welcome. Also, did not the Polish military replace this sidearm with a similar design weapon, or am I just getting the satellites mixed up?

[Gewehr43]

How do you like this pistol,i have been wanting one but hearing bad stories about it having lots of recoil and etc?

[john law]

I have not, nor will I probably ever, shot it. I acquired the piece for my collection of cold war "treasures". Given the size and weight of the pistol I imagine it is no different than similar size guns. Perhaps due to being blowback and the grip angle it may seem that the recoil is more pronounced, but I can not imagine it would be painful (unless you happen to be on the business end ;) ).

[john law]

O.K. I have found a couple of answers, but now I have more questions:( . The P-64 was replaced by the VANAD. When will these pistols be imported? Also, where can I find proper surplus accessories for this little gun (holsters, mags, etc.) ? I can't even find an exploded view of my pistol. I would settle for a little design history, or anything. Thanks in advance for any help!

[Noah Zark]

I'll admit that info on the Polish P64 is a bit sketchy. The Vanad actually was imported in VERY small numbers about three years ago. I haven't seen one offered in about six or eight months.

Noah

[john law]

Thanks for lettin' me know that I'm not just typing to hear the keystrokes. BTW, Noah, what WAS the goin' price for a Vanad?

[Noah Zark]

John:

IIRC, they were like $280 to $320 depending on what dealer had them. It was two to three years ago, but the first ones hit in late 1997. Here's a scan of an adv. from an importer, courtesy of Makarov.com:
http://makarov.com/graphics/vanad/vanad4.jpg

And a pic of the Vanad itself:

http://www.phzbumar.com.pl/ENG/vanad.JPG

Specs on the p-83 Vanad:

Personal weapon designed for fighting on short distances and for self-defence. It operates on the principle of the recoil of the free gun breech mechanism and is fed from magazine with the capacity of 8 cartridges. The weapon is equipped with safety catch against an accidental shot; with the indicator of the presence of cartridge in the chamber and gunsight regulated for distance of 50 meters. The 9 x 18 mm Makarov pistol cartridges are used for firing.

MAIN TECHNICAL DATA:

Weight with unloaded magazine - 730 g
Length - 160 mm
Gun barrel length - 90 mm
Practical rate of fire - 8 rounds per 10-15 sec.
Muzzle velocity - 318m/s
Cartridge weight - 9,7 g
Bullet weight - 6 g


HTH,

Noah

[john law]

That helped alot with the Vanad, now if I can just save my money for awhile and hope that someone wants to part with theirs ;) . Me saving money would be the least likely of the two events to happen, though. It seems that I try to save up in hopes of a really special purchase, but just about the time I have any spare money something new comes along and I have to get it. If I can get my C&R FFL it will be even more difficult. The first time I saw a Makarov I had to have one, then it seemed that I developed a fetish for the Soviet weapons ever since. Now what I really want is a Stechkin APS :) .

[Noah Zark]

Originally posted by john law
. . . Me saving money would be the least likely of the two events to happen, though. It seems that I try to save up in hopes of a really special purchase, but just about the time I have any spare money something new comes along and I have to get it. . .

Can't help you with that; got my own identical issues to deal with! ;)

Noah

[lockwood]

Originally posted by john law
That helped alot with the Vanad, now if I can just save my money for awhile and hope that someone wants to part with theirs ;) . Me saving money would be the least likely of the two events to happen, though. It seems that I try to save up in hopes of a really special purchase, but just about the time I have any spare money something new comes along and I have to get it. If I can get my C&R FFL it will be even more difficult. The first time I saw a Makarov I had to have one, then it seemed that I developed a fetish for the Soviet weapons ever since. Now what I really want is a Stechkin APS :) . someone was offering a semi auto converted steckin on gunbroker but the guy had a lot of neg feedback and that was enough to send me packin athough the guy told me he would send it from germany in parts and that really sent me packin, he wanted like $800.00 for it anyway too much to risk.

[john law]

Thanks, I saw that they had a semi Stechkin on gunbroker. But I don't want to get into to trouble with the way it was converted, he said it had been "pinned". Not sure if that is kosher with the BATFE.

[Vis]

Originally posted by john law
Also, where can I find proper surplus accessories for this little gun (holsters, mags, etc.) ? http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/20380Czak_2.JPG You can find all of this here (http://stores.ebay.com/POLISH-ARMY-STORE_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm) HTH.:D

[john law]

Thanks