Hunted: The Movie......

[Optimus Prime]

Hunted is bar far my favorite "knife" movie, much like Heat is my favorite "firearm" movie. If you have not seen this film, I highly recommend watching it. For Hollywood, it is a very authentic film.

The Kali style of fighting was the dominent form, very good knife fight sequences. I was most impressed with the film's technical advisor's all four men are expert's in their respected fields and are contracted instrutors for our SOCOM warriors. To read bio's of these men just click on the "Trained For Combat" link and then click on the "Technical Advisor's" link.

http://www.huntedmovie.com

Here is a pic of Tom Brown Jr's Tracker Knife that was featured in the film.

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/7689Tom_Brown_Tracker.jpg

[Uncle Scary]

My bro-in-law (former SEAL) loved that movie. Especially the knife fighting.

[Optimus Prime]

Yeah, once I found out who the "technical advisors" to the film were I was sold! Same with a recent film called Spartan staring Val Kilmer. The "technical advisor" to that movie was none other than Eric L. Haney. You know, a founding member for 1st-SFOD-D! :eek:

[ONEANDONLYDWT]

Good movie. I thought the part were Del Toro climbed out of the river and quickly hand made a new blade while being chased was a little BS. But it was good.

DWT

[Uncle Scary]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
Yeah, once I found out who the "technical advisors" to the film were I was sold! Same with a recent film called Spartan staring Val Kilmer. The "technical advisor" to that movie was none other than Eric L. Haney. You know, a founding member for 1st-SFOD-D! :eek:

That knife the Val Kilmer used in Spartan was cool. Does anybody know what it was?

[308]

The movie was incredibly stupid from the perspective of someone living in Portland.

A few things...

1] The MAX car running across the steel bridge does not "spark" as it goes by
2] Jumping off the Steel Bridge and then floating downstream does not afford one the opportunity to come ashore on Ross Island...which is UPstream about a half mile.
3] Further downstream drifting does not allow one to tumble over the Falls in Oregon City, considering it too is UPstream from the bridge....approximately 8-miles.
4] Downtown Portland during the busiest time of the day does not look like NYC with it's honking cabs and hordes of people streaming down the sidewalks.

That's just part of it....:rolleyes:....IMHO :)

[Uncle Scary]

Originally posted by Uncle Scary
That knife the Val Kilmer used in Spartan was cool. Does anybody know what it was?

Yes, Uncle Scary...the knife was a Severtech. It was made specially for the movie.
http://www.severtech.com/images/thespartan.jpg

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by 308
The movie was incredibly stupid from the perspective of someone living in Portland.

A few things...

1] The MAX car running across the steel bridge does not "spark" as it goes by
2] Jumping off the Steel Bridge and then floating downstream does not afford one the opportunity to come ashore on Ross Island...which is UPstream about a half mile.
3] Further downstream drifting does not allow one to tumble over the Falls in Oregon City, considering it too is UPstream from the bridge....approximately 8-miles.
4] Downtown Portland during the busiest time of the day does not look like NYC with it's honking cabs and hordes of people streaming down the sidewalks.

That's just part of it....:rolleyes:....IMHO :)

That's why they call them movies! ;)

[chromechicken]

Yeah, the movie was pretty cool. The knife fights I though were kind of unrealistic. I know, I know, the coreographers/whatever teach the US special ops guys. Probably not. EVERYBODY in the martial arts world makes that claim, especially knife guys. The second some guy who works on a ship that once held a guy that went to BUDs walks into a school, they advertise that they are trainers of the elite special forces.
Pick up any Blackbelt Magazine and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Uncle Scary]

I watched the movie last night. The fight scenes were awesome, but I kept getting this hunters are bad, environmentalists are good vibe from the movie. It sucks when action movies become PC.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by Uncle Scary
I kept getting this hunters are bad, environmentalists are good vibe from the movie. It sucks when action movies become PC.

After all, they are only actors and live in Kalifornia, besides Tommy Lee Jones was Al Gore's roomate in college. Gee....any question to where his loyality lies??? :mad:

[GrimReaper]

:D :D :D
fun movie

[InfernoMDM]

The hunted knife is a great piece of engineering. I wouldnt call it a great fighting knife though. Throwing it isnt to bad. Could be worse could be better. Very very heavy. I suggest if your going in the woods eather the hunted knife(its not worth 260 I think) or the spetsnaz machete from russia. Now thats a device:)

[Uncle Scary]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
After all, they are only actors and live in Kalifornia, besides Tommy Lee Jones was Al Gore's roomate in college. Gee....any question to where his loyality lies??? :mad:
No doubt where Tommy lee Jones' loyalties lie..but I don't think that he wrote the movie. He just recited the lines that somebody else put on paper. In one scene at the beginning of the movie, Tommy Lee Jones saves a wolf from a trap, goes to the bar, finds the owner of the trap and proceeds to beat the hell out of him. Hmmm.... could it be that the wolf was probably killing the trap owner's livestock?

Another scene, two hunters don't like what Benecio del Toro was saying about their hunting practices being unfair to the deer, so the hunters naturally start firing at him for criticizing them. Del Toro, of course, has to kill them...with a knife.
PC bullshit again. What does the movie show? Hunters are psychotic killers, who when challenged in the woods by somebody with a "conscience," will try to kill that person. Doesn't paint a very pretty picture to non-hunters about the temperment of hunters, huh?

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by Uncle Scary
No doubt where Tommy lee Jones' loyalties lie..but I don't think that he wrote the movie. He just recited the lines that somebody else put on paper. In one scene at the beginning of the movie, Tommy Lee Jones saves a wolf from a trap, goes to the bar, finds the owner of the trap and proceeds to beat the hell out of him. Hmmm.... could it be that the wolf was probably killing the trap owner's livestock?

Another scene, two hunters don't like what Benecio del Toro was saying about their hunting practices being unfair to the deer, so the hunters naturally start firing at him for criticizing them. Del Toro, of course, has to kill them...with a knife.
PC bullshit again. What does the movie show? Hunters are psychotic killers, who when challenged in the woods by somebody with a "conscience," will try to kill that person. Doesn't paint a very pretty picture to non-hunters about the temperment of hunters, huh?

Ohh, I totally agree with you.........

Make no mistake, I do not idolize entertainers in anyway shape or form. Just thought you guys would enjoy the knife fighting. ;)

[Uncle Scary]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
Ohh, I totally agree with you.........

Make no mistake, I do not idolize entertainers in anyway shape or form. Just thought you guys would enjoy the knife fighting. ;)

Oh yeah, Optimus... don't get me wrong. It was a great movie for woodcraft and knife fighting. It just ruins movies for me when little PC sentiments were added to the movie. Did you see the scene when Benicio del Toro kills the two hunters in the woods? They had night vision scopes on their rifles...and they were hunting in daylight! I have to roll my eye now. :rolleyes:

[Optimus Prime]

Lethal weapon 4 did it in with me, Mel Gibson went on to make some very pro-gun and pro-American movies like the Patriot and We Were Soldiers. Buy Danny Glover has since not been in any movies and now tours the country teaching young black men to feel sorry for themselves and preaches against capital punishment! :mad:

If you watch Lethal Weapon 4 closely in the back ground at the "Police Station" there are "NRA Baby Killer" poster all around. :mad:

[JE3146]

Originally posted by 308
The movie was incredibly stupid from the perspective of someone living in Portland.

A few things...

1] The MAX car running across the steel bridge does not "spark" as it goes by
2] Jumping off the Steel Bridge and then floating downstream does not afford one the opportunity to come ashore on Ross Island...which is UPstream about a half mile.
3] Further downstream drifting does not allow one to tumble over the Falls in Oregon City, considering it too is UPstream from the bridge....approximately 8-miles.
4] Downtown Portland during the busiest time of the day does not look like NYC with it's honking cabs and hordes of people streaming down the sidewalks.

That's just part of it....:rolleyes:....IMHO :)

I totally agree with you 308 .. me, and 4 other friends went to see this when it came out.. we were all psyched cus it was shot here instead of soewhere else.....

the whole orientation of the river and whatnot ruined what could have been a good ending .:rolleyes:

[Uncle Scary]

I might be wrong on this, but I think that they filmed the fight scene at the end of the movie near Port Angeles, WA.

[akjunkie]

the art used in the hunted is called:
Kali Sayoc

http://www.kalisayoc.com

very good system.

[chromechicken]

Actually, it's called Sayoc Kali.

www.sayoc.com

What makes you think it is a "very good system"?

[akjunkie]

i study the Filipino martial arts, Kali Sayoc is a very good system. currently i study LucayLucay Kali/ jkd. it aint not B*llshit.

[chromechicken]

Ok, but what makes you think that Sayoc Kali is a "very good system"? Have you studied Sayoc?

I'm not asking to be an ass, I'm asking because I want to know.

[akjunkie]

send me an email...we'll talk.

[InfernoMDM]

Speaking of you should see knife fighting systema style. Very nice, very interesting. If your in florida you can check out a ex spetsnaz who teaches. That or toronto.

[akjunkie]

i'm out in southern cali... most of the FMA seminars i attend are at the Inosanto academy.

[chromechicken]

I have seen some of the systema stuff at a demo in OH and some videos, H2H stuff. It all looked pretty lame. Is their knife stuff any better?

[InfernoMDM]

What you see and whats going on are two differnet animals. I was skeptical as hell untill I had a former spetsnaz beat me (not hard just how they did it and how you come to understand it). I should also add that some of the stuff is supposed to look lame or not real for clandestine reasons.

Also one of the instructors/friends exsplained how to break someones neck without putting a hand near there head or throat. (by the way the secret to that is all in the hips) Im sure most of you wont believe me but I got freaking whiplash from a little tap. Its not a MA designed for flashy super kung fu kicks its pretty versitile, and functional.

Also your gonna see the "psychic stuff" which really isnt what your thinking it is. That almost kicked me off the band wagon untill one of the US instructors exsplained what the russians consider psychic. It's psycholgical behaviors so you nearly dont have to touch someone to make them do what you want them to. Swing your hand toward there face and most people recoil. Now bring your fist toward there nuts. If you do it right they get imbalanced and will fall. I did even when I tryed not to. Its not difficult to learn its just knowing how. Like they say if you dont have intent you dont get the results. Make sense?

Check out this guy (another friend)
http://hurricanemartialarts.homestead.com/Instructor.html

he plays around with the Systema guys a lot. He notes some inharient weaknesses in they system, however hes modified it some and wow. SiJo Frank and his style is impressive.

Personally Id suggest a better look in real life. The tapes and demos are a drop in the bucket on how the stuff really works and how terrifingly effective the MA is. That being said if your in vagas and dont want to drop all your cash in the slots SiJo Frank will probably spell bind your mind as well. Hes rummored to be nasty with a knife:eek: :D

[blobman]

didnt see the movie it lokked WAY shitty

[5KNIVES]

Originally posted by blobman33
didnt see the movie it lokked WAY shitty
I did see it, and I thought it was.

Sorry guys!

IMHO it represents some 14 year old' wannsbee's fantasy, a 14 year old who needs to get out more. Maybe take a walk in the woods sometime.

Course I'm predujiced, and I think T. Brown is a P.R bunch of B.S. also. He learned all his "secrets" from an "Old Apache Chief" living and growing up in New Jersey? Sure.

If i had to go live in the woods for a week or two, I'd rather have a $12 Mora, or even a paring knife from the kitchen than that $265 abortion the movie is peddeling.

As for the knife fights, not nearly bloody enough!
An "expert" should be able to hit a major artery, when you do that you get blood spurting 3 meters!

Sorry, just my opinion.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by 5KNIVES
I did see it, and I thought it was.

Sorry guys!

IMHO it represents some 14 year old' wannsbee's fantasy, a 14 year old who needs to get out more. Maybe take a walk in the woods sometime.

Course I'm predujiced, and I think T. Brown is a P.R bunch of B.S. also. He learned all his "secrets" from an "Old Apache Chief" living and growing up in New Jersey? Sure.

If i had to go live in the woods for a week or two, I'd rather have a $12 Mora, or even a paring knife from the kitchen than that $265 abortion the movie is peddeling.

As for the knife fights, not nearly bloody enough!
An "expert" should be able to hit a major artery, when you do that you get blood spurting 3 meters!

Sorry, just my opinion.

5KNIVES, thank you for your opinion. I had never heard of Tom Brown before that movie. Still know didly squat about him. I just liked it for the "eye candy" and my favorite part, the end credits with my favorite musican Mr. Johnny Cash....RIP, playing the title track!

[5KNIVES]

O.P.

Have to agree about the music, Stayed through all the credits just to be sure it was Johnny cash and to get the song title for sure.

Reading the quote, I didn't realize how surly and argimentative I sounded. Hereby apologise if I offended anyone.

My youngest sister declared me the "quintessential curmodgen", about 6 yearts ago and I'm still upset about that. AAh, all us old farts get that way from time to time, you will too someday, all of you!

Tom Brown published some very strongly self-promoting books back about the early '90's. He got a lot of good press in some circles.

I bought and read his books and regretted spending the money. Looked to me like he'd read some survival manuals and some of the indian lore books from the '40's and '50's, and then put them together with his "self-history".

I had the rare priveledge of meeting and spending some time with Dana and Ginger Lamb, about 50 years or so ago. Find a copy of the Navy Survival manual from WWII, and you'll see that they wrote most of it.

Absolutely the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. And they REALLY knew their stuff.

They lived in Santa Anna, CA. and when they got married (1932-34?) They decided to have an adventure, so they kyaked up the coast to Alaska for their honeymoon. They traveled light and planned to "live off the land" and learned from the native people and settlers along the way. That was a 2 year honeymoon. They said the trip home was better because then they knew what they were doing.

Then, late '30's they heard about some ruins in Mexico, near the Guatamala border, very remote and only rumours.

So they did the same thing, Canoe down the coast,
with a 16mm camera, some spare clothes, a colt Woodsman .22,500 rounds of ammunition a couple of knives and machetes. Stopped, talked to and learned all along the way. IIRC that was about 2 years also. Used the .22 to kill a big jaguar that was trailing them and wouldn't go away, carried his skin along. Nice Jaguar, from the skin in their living room in 1958 he looked big to me. Went inland, lived with and learned from the natives, and found the ruins. Others had been there by then, so they were the 4th or 5th Whites there.
"Where Chiapas points into Guatamala."

Absolutely great folks. And they probably knew more about living off the land (from Guatamala to Anchorage, and mors), than any 2 single people alive. And they graciously kept on answering the prox. 10 million questions I asked.

Having had the priveledge of meeting the real experts personally. I find I have little tolerance with some of the current crop of "experts" whose experience sounds like camping out in the back yard a time or two, by comparision.

"Knife fights" set me off, because I've witnessed one, and when I had a badge, cleaned up after a couple others. The real thing is unbelievably bloody, and normally results in one if not two body bags. The "style" seems to be that sooner or later one rushes the other, then they both start desperately stabbing, hacking and slashing, whether in terror or desperation I can't rightly say. Sickening is a good description though.

I'll save my opinion on the "Matial Arts", as taught and practiced in America today for another time.

This is too long already, Thanks for listening.

Best wishes, and good luck to all!

Gary

[O-1]

I think the movie is OK if you don't take it too seriously. That being said, I took Intro Bladesmithing class at "W.F. Moran School of Bladesmithing" in Old Washington, Ark. and I thought the Knife making parts were crap. I did think the movie was ok, but I'm glad I rented it!