New AR Owner needs Ammo

[greyhound47]

Hi All, I have been told by a couple of people that Wolf ammo may be fine for my AK47 SAR1 but NOT for an AR15. Does it REALLY matter or is this just snobbery? Brass stuff is expensive in comparison to Wolf ammo. What about the new plated bear and wolf 223 ammo? Does this make any difference?

Thanks

Nick

[imanaknut]

Several of the AR manufacturers (Bushmaster comes to mind) tell owners not to use Wolf or any steel case ammo. Personally, not wanting to risk my investment, I use Sellier & Bellot ammo. Great stuff, brass reloadable, and very accurate. As long as I have to pay for what I shoot, I don't mind spending a bit extra on ammo.

[StooperZero]

You can get some nice stuff for an OK price .

But if your'e like me and just like to mutilate things all I buy is wolf, over 3,000 rounds of both the laquered and polymer cased and not a hitch. I've had more problems with stuff like winchester and UMC than any cheap surplus.

[JE3146]

Steel cased ammunition causing chamber wear or extractor wear on a bolt is a MYTH.

The fact that everyone seems to miss is that all steel is not created equal. The steel used for steel cases is not heat treated and is just as soft as brass. It starts out as a wafer and is shaped into a case by pressure.

My reply to these guys who claim they're getting extractor wear( a very hard part) from steel cases( a very soft part).. then they better start investing in some higher quality peices for their rifles......

you'll often find a hatred of wolf ammunition from colt owners. The majority of these people are what you'll often see referred to as "purists." Colt was the original to them and all its ever gonna be. Its the best and etc etc etc.... hogwash.... :rolleyes:

Companies like Bushmaster, say no steel cased ammo to cover their ass in the event that something did happen.

Now one thing does occur from wolf and thats barrel wear. The cause of this is due to the fact you can buy 1000 rounds of Wolf, and only 500 of quality USGI milspec brass cased ammo for the same cost. You end up shooting twice as much :)

The rifle is used, so it doesn't need to be broken in. Buy wolf, save money, and be happy. Its reliable ammunition thats accurate enough for plinking, and doesn't cost 20 to 40 cents a shot. The one downside is its very dirty ammo, and you'll need to clean your rifle more than if you were shooting brass cased ammo of good quality.

I have fired 1000 rounds through my gun, with half of it being Wolf before cleaning it. No malfunctions, and after about 2k rounds through my gun total, there is no evident extractor wear, and half of that has been Wolf.

The only time Wolf has ever jammed on my was because of a shitty mag, and its done that twice with the same mag, both times on the last round.. (weak mag spring and bent feed lips)... other than that its been great. And it saves a ton of money when taking friends shooting. (especially the ones who have happy trigger fingers)

[Poodleshooter]

Get the Wolf polymer coated ammo, a chromed bore and chamber, and shoot steel case to your hearts content.
I run it through my Colt for fun shooting. The real deal shooting gets mostly my reloads or factory M193 duplicate ammo.

[win308]

It may function fine in most guns, but if you want match ammo, the Russian stuff just won't cut it. If you just want to "pray and spray" then Wolf is OK.
I've owned a couple of thousand rds of Wolf and they all worked, but not accurate enough for me to enjoy. Just my 2 cents!!

[ghostrider07]

The brass cased ammo has one more advantage over the steel cased ammo, it is more forgiving of excessive headspace. I believe some of these Internet rumors about the steel cases sticking or splitting are exactly that, too much headspace in the AR15.

[Epinephrine]

JE is right. When you put annealed 4150 steel against the cheap ass Russian crap, the Russian case will not have a chance in hell to wear anything out. I just shoot the shit cuz I dont like Russian stuff. :)

[Mr.Smith]

www.aimsurplus.com has UK radway green SS109 in 900 round cans for 149$ it comes packed on stripepr clips in 150 round bandoliers

[Epinephrine]

May have to check that stuff out. Real M855 for $150? Thats like buying a Ferrari 550M Maranello for Porche Boxster price!

[Mr.Smith]

yup it comes in a 50 cal can its prepacked and has foam rubber padding inside.
The tips arent green but the bullets will stick to a magnet

[JE3146]

It's underpowered and shoots like wolf.. I've also heard of kaboom related to the stuff. The high cost of shipping from AIM turned me off at first, but I'm glad I didn't get any. Seems to work fine for some, and give others nothing but problems. Best of luck with your batch.

[Epinephrine]

Figured it was too good to be true. Thats why I have trouble going from the stuff I know is real to Greek or Italian "military" ammo. You never know if its good or not.

[isnake]

When was the last match you shot at? I feed all the ladies Wolf and they all just eat it up. The ladies are a DPMS M4 AR, a Winchester 1300 eating 00 Buck and a Taurus 9mm. Never a ftf, never a problem. I'm calling bullshit on all the Wolf haters.
Wolf whore and proud!

[JE3146]

When was the last match you shot at? I feed all the ladies Wolf and they all just eat it up. The ladies are a DPMS M4 AR, a Winchester 1300 eating 00 Buck and a Taurus 9mm. Never a ftf, never a problem. I'm calling bullshit on all the Wolf haters.
Wolf whore and proud!

If you were directing that towards my comment how the Radway Green shoots like wolf, then I was just comparing the degree of accuracy I've heard to expect while shooting that stuff....

I am not anti-wolf.. if you read the 2nd or 3rd reply on this thread, you'll see I strongly support it. I shoot mostly wolf out of my guns. I have about 1.3k rounds of various calibers right now in Wolf. :)

[Mr.Smith]

i hope youre wrong as i cant return ammo and i havent had a chance to fire it yet. Can you you elaborate more and what are your sorces for this info?
I keep hearing stories about exploding glock 22's as well and mine hasnt yet.

[Epinephrine]

Im not saying Wolf isnt any good or saying taht it eats AR extractors (it doesnt), I just dont like anything from Russia. :)

[JE3146]

Basically the issues I have seen with Radway Green SS109 is this

1) Certain lot numbers cause certain rifles to shortstroke. In other words, it might not cycle your rifle. Odds are, it will. Just this is a case that seems to be happening.

2) I have heard of 1 kaboom related to this ammo, and it was because of a weak primer pocket. Blew the bolt back, splitting the carrier, which split the upper, and blew the mag apart through the mag well. The lower reciever remained in tact.

Could only find 1 picture.

http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/ar15boom/radboom.jpg

[Epinephrine]

AR's (and every new rifle for that matter) are designed to vent the excess pressure safely in the event of a primer letting go. That must be one insanely hot round to blow an AR into multiple pieces!