Anyone Else Get The NEW JoeKen AK Pistol ?

[ESSESS]

Anybody Else With The JoeKen AK Piston on the Ewbank receiver ? I think I got one of the first ones out. Just wanting another opinion. I haven't had a chance to really heat it up. I am extreamly pleased with the quality of mine. I got the TAC version...

[csfirearms]

I got one of the first one's ever made. I already changed the funiture to my liking. The only problem was the finish, the Dura-coat is peeling off mine. Other then that shoot's like a wet dream!!

[recon]

I thought the dura-coat was a good finish? How could it be coming off?

[73cj5]

look who put it on......


expect anything else??

[csfirearms]

It is a great finish it the piece was prepared correctly and the dura-coat cured correctly. It's no big woop becaused i planned on refinishing it myself.

[borsnake]

Does thier website still say "These pistols contain enough US parts to legally use high capacity magazines"? I'm sorry but I would be a little concerned buying a product from a manufacturer that doesn't know the law.

[Guns Network Staff]

Does thier website still say "These pistols contain enough US parts to legally use high capacity magazines"? I'm sorry but I would be a little concerned buying a product from a manufacturer that doesn't know the law.

HOW RUDE

What??? Last time I looked these were PISTOLS not 922r rifles?!?!?!?

On what authority do you make this allegation like the one above? and I am talking about your last sentence above.

[TMG]

Isn't the process of leagalization one of subtraction, not addition? There are 20 evil parts which must be exorcised from the firearm. How manny are added means nothing. When you acheive 10 or less you win, right? How manny could posibly be left on a pistol? Or are you saying it don't matter anyway becuase a pistol doesn't even fall under the same law? TMG

[borsnake]

HOW RUDE

What??? Last time I looked these were PISTOLS not 922r rifles?!?!?!?

On what authority do you make this allegation like the one above? and I am talking about your last sentence above.

Are you serious?? Look at thier website.............

Joeken AK Pistols (http://207.176.137.9/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=263&cat=AKM+Pistol)

Is that enough authority for you??

[Dafapa]

Are you serious?? Look at thier website.............

Joeken AK Pistols (http://207.176.137.9/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=263&cat=AKM+Pistol)

Is that enough authority for you??

Are you saying you don't believe them? Generally when a seller says it has enough US parts to be compliant they're taken at their word (not that it's foolish to double check if you have a reason for doubt). If you don't believe them, just say why. That said, I don't believe there are any parts counts restrictions on pistols, and these legally count as pistols, not rifles.

[borsnake]

Are you saying you don't believe them? Generally when a seller says it has enough US parts to be compliant they're taken at their word (not that it's foolish to double check if you have a reason for doubt). If you don't believe them, just say why. That said, I don't believe there are any parts counts restrictions on pistols, and these legally count as pistols, not rifles.

I'm not doubting that they are putting US parts in the pistols. On the contrary, I think they are. I'm just asking why they would feel the need to do it unless they didn't know the law. Pistols are NOT restricted under 922R in any way shape or form. How many "US parts" are in that Glock for sale at your local gunstore? Zip.

[ESSESS]

Recon, my DuraCoat finish is great. Time will tell I'm sure, but the finish gets a lot of compliments.

[recon]

Good! I'am looking at those right now! Looks like a 3-4 wk wait. Thats fine. Enough time to save up!

[ESSESS]

Recon, when you get ready, talk with Andrew. He was a big help with me, keeping me informed on my order status...

[73cj5]

just build one, it's not that hard:)

[foont]

I received an AKM pistol one month after they debited my card. I called 2-3 times a week during that month asking when they were going to ship it. I got a different person and reason each time. They finally shipped it when I asked for a refund. When I got it and cycled the action, it sounded gritty. Upon disassembly I found sand througout in every nook and cranny and even under the paint. After a thorough scrubbing I took it out to the range to try it. I got off one round and it wouldn't fire again. It seems the trigger wouldn't reset. I called JoeKen Firearms and a guy in the
"tech" department said he had one like that and all I needed to do was trim off some of the pistol grip. After I disassembled the grip and altered it, it cycle, BUT the flash hider began to unscrew after a few rounds and I would have shot it down range hadn't I noticed this. Also, the black paint began sloughing off almost immediately. All in all a pretty sad experience for me. I am used to getting a little more service and quality for my money.
UMMD.

[mbadboyz]

I dont think any of the barrels shown were cut down at all.

[Andrew@armsofamerica.com]

Foont,

Sorry you weren't happy with it. Ewbank MFG stands completely behind it so if you have any problems with it functioning you have one year to send it back to us for repairs.

[patm41]

One of JoeKens AK pistols came in to the local shop last week.. This one has the new reciever.. not a bad looking gun,, the rivits were set properly, and have nice rounded
heads on them.. the action was smooth on it also... i didnt like the hand guards but thats just me.. would i buy one? no , an AK pistol does nothing for me..sorry cant get excited about them ...

[Dafapa]

I'm not doubting that they are putting US parts in the pistols. On the contrary, I think they are. I'm just asking why they would feel the need to do it unless they didn't know the law. Pistols are NOT restricted under 922R in any way shape or form. How many "US parts" are in that Glock for sale at your local gunstore? Zip.

Ah, I see what you're saying. I figured they just put that in because people are used to needing compliance parts in their AKs and didn't want to deal with a lot of questions going into detailed legal matters.

[joe@joeken.com]

Call up and talk to Vector, Vulcan Arms, Armory USA, or any other manufacturer that is currently making a copy of a foreign made assault pistol. Every single one of them contains US parts. 922r went into effect in 89 and four years later, they ban the importation of assault pistols including UZI, AK, and other related variations. It is not legal to import, own, or sell a foreign made assault pistol that was made after or imported after the ban. If we didn't have to use US made parts, don't you think every manufacturer would stop using them? Besides, the last thing I want is for the BATF to ask for a list of people I sold pistols to so that they could collect them. Again, call Vector, Vulcan, Armory or any other Assault pistol maker.

Joe

[droog]

922 says unsporting semi auto rifles and shotguns nothing about pistols assault or otherwise.

[Dweezil]

Whether it's legally required or not I am glad that JoeKen is putting the required parts for 922(r) compliance. Better safe than sorry. From a business standpoint, I would think JoeKen would want to avoid even the suggestion of impropriety especially given their past image. Why would JoeKen want to court financial and legal ruin just to prove a point to the BATF? (pun intended) The new parts cost more money and time yet their product is still reasonably priced. Don't know all the details of their past but Andrew has been very helpful. Sounds like they're improving.
(My opinion: worth price charged)

[borsnake]

Better safe than sorry? Interesting point and is exactly why I specifically WOULDN'T install "US" parts in an AK pistol. Here is my reasoning:

While the ATF obviously is not out running 922r "stings" they DO investigate vigorously ANY violation of NFA laws. While an AK pistol (or any other rifle type receiver) is not a NFA weapon, it is still basically an "SBR" without the stock, paperwork and tax. This is the reason people like me want them. While we are all well aware of the rules concerning "virgin" receivers etc, there are those out there who are not. Here is the scenerio......Let's say someone drops a dime to the ATF and says they saw you with a SBR. The ATF WILL INVESTIGATE this. Now lets say Mr. Agent comes to you and asks to see the weapon and cracks it open and sees all these US parts installed. What is the first thing he going to think???? Thats right, he is going to SUSPECT that you took a 922r compliant rifle and pulled the stock and fake can or what ever barrel extension was installed and created an unregistered SBR. Why else would there be US parts in the gun? Well my friends, I don't need that kind of shit in my life. Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass about 922R but I take NFA VERY seriously. Agree or disagree but that is my reasoning.

And P.S. to Andrew. Since we discussed this via IM, I have checked with Vector, ORF and AZEX arms. NONE of them are installing US parts in thier pistol builds. There have been cases where a customer has requested items like a RSA fcg but they are not installing them in regular production guns.

[Antixx]

You know what I think? I think you are freaking out for the stupidest reason imaginable! So JOEKEN puts US compliance parts in their AK pistols. That ATF agent can suspect things until his ass bleeds it doesnt make it true. All he has to do is contact the FFL and the Manufacturer (JOEKEN) and they will have proof of it not having been an SBR. Also if it was an unregistered SBR that was turned into a pistol Im trying to figure what exactly is the problem. You took an Illegal rifle and turned it into a legal pistol also there is no way in hell that the ATF agent can prove anything.

[borsnake]

Also if it was an unregistered SBR that was turned into a pistol Im trying to figure what exactly is the problem.

Because that is against the law

[Dweezil]

Borsnake,
If you buy an AK Pistol, keep the sales receipt. Since JoeKen did the build they will be responsible for how it was manufactured. The ATF will be looking for "big fish" like JoeKen rather than unsuspecting consumers. I have a 37mm flare launcher that looks menacing but is legal. I keep a copy of the relevant law in the hollow grip and another copy in a safe place. Keep you nose clean and don't rob any liquor stores with your AK and you should do fine.
Dweez :sleeping:

[integratedj]

Every pistol I have seen from AZEX does have US parts in it. Derek is building my M92 right now for me.
Anyway, big fucking deal man. Joeken is just covoring their asses as they should do.
Keep up the good work Joeken.
IJ