c and r ?

[protector76239]

how much medaling will the atf do if i try and get one? what are the security criteria i must have in place? how much does it cost and lastly what about my current stash of non c&r weapons? do i have to register them or have records and such on them and every other non c&r purchase from the date of recieving my c&r license? some of my current stuff has been private transactioned to me.

[Misguided]

Originally posted by protector76239
how much medaling will the atf do if i try and get one? what are the security criteria i must have in place? how much does it cost and lastly what about my current stash of non c&r weapons? do i have to register them or have records and such on them and every other non c&r purchase from the date of recieving my c&r license? some of my current stuff has been private transactioned to me.

ATF does simple background check

No security requirment

30 for 3 years

Current stash and non C&R do not go into your records

visit www.cruffler.com and click on the link whats a cruffler

[protector76239]

ill go chk that out , but 1st one more my understanding of the C&r is that you agree to be a collector not a seller? if this is true how does one sell something they dont like or want with a c&r? i guess im already a collector, but 1st and foremost im a shooter and will shoot what i buy and if it shoots like crap i will want to sell it......thanks again

[neilwest]

1. I purchased a Lugar over Guns America and this guy had a C&R . My FFL dealer says they are not worth getting. Tell me a bit about them and where to get one.

[Misguided]

Originally posted by neilwest
1. My FFL dealer says they are not worth getting. Tell me a bit about them and where to get one.

thats cause your cutting him out of his fee, check out the link to cruffler.com above

[zouavexx]

Originally posted by Misguided


thats cause your cutting him out of his fee, check out the link to cruffler.com above

Good point, Misguided!

Lets face it the FFL stands to loose a lot of profit on all those $39 M91's out there. If I had a dealer's FFL I would probally say the same thing.

Zouave

[TheBigCA2x]

Couple of Questions:

Is there a storefront requirement, like regular FFL

Would I be able to buy one of those $159 Romanian SKSs from Centerpointe?

Or in other words, what are the basic qualifications for a gun to be considered C&R?

[REDSTAR]

TheBigCA:

1) No store front requirement. You are a collector only, not a dealer in C&R weapons. You CAN NOT give the appearance you are using your license to buy and SELL C&R weapons. You can make dispositions (sales) however, it just can't be construed as if your doing it as an occupation.

2) Yes, a Romanian SKS is considered a curio and relic. The ATF determines a weapon to be C&R if they are over 50 years of age, or are approved by ATF as deriving a substantial value as its part as a historical or collectors or museum piece (someone got them to say the Romanian SKS was a historical or collectors piece). In any event, they have a list at their web site. You can write them and tell them why you think something should be considered C&R and they will make a determination. That's how alot of the stuff got on the list that's not over 50 years old. Such as the MAS49/56, Romanian SKS's, M44's (some are less than 50), IShy Enfields, etc etc.

Download the forms, fill them out in duplicate, mail a copy to your local CLEO (he does nothing, you just have to mail him a copy to toss or file), mail $30 to the address on the form along with the form, wait 5 weeks maybe 6 and begin to collect. Easy. If you can buy a gun you will be approved. Get the forms and instructions at www.cruffler.com. It takes 15 to 30 mins of your time and $30. You will save the $30 on transfer fees on your first purchase.

[zouavexx]

Originally posted by TheBigCA
Couple of Questions:

A) Is there a storefront requirement, like regular FFL

B) Would I be able to buy one of those $159 Romanian SKSs from Centerpointe?

C) Or in other words, what are the basic qualifications for a gun to be considered C&R?

TheBigCA,

A) no, the c&r is a collectors license, not a dealers.
B) Yes Sir!
C)http://www.ak-47.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23845

Hope this helps!

Zouave

(LOL REDSTAR answered at the same time as me!)

[TheBigCA2x]

Thanks for your answers. $30 sounds great. I did see ATF's site since first posting. Next to Cruffler.

Tickled to hear about the SKS. I'm also tickled that I can buy a 9mm Makarov as well.

Soon to join the ranks of the C&R Collector.

I salute you gentlemen.

Carl

[Ezra Coli]

Originally posted by TheBigCA
Thanks for your answers. $30 sounds great. I did see ATF's site since first posting. Next to Cruffler.

Tickled to hear about the SKS. I'm also tickled that I can buy a 9mm Makarov as well.

Soon to join the ranks of the C&R Collector.

I salute you gentlemen.

Carl

Welcome to the fold, but keep in mind only E. German or original military Russian Makarovs qualify for C&R, so those nice Bulgarians we all want are still not available to us C&R dudes without going through regular channels.

Romanian SKS, now that's a big 10-4. Got one for myself!