M-98 shooters?

[Mac_Muz]

wonderin how your yugo's shoots with stock iron sights?

I found mine to shoot high with the stock front blade. That blade is .188" tall, and I replaced it with one from Numerich Arms. That blade is .315" tall. (1 meter = 100 yards 94 feet in my book)

now I can mess about LOL...at 100 yards this .315 shot low alright! 12" low...great... So I conjured up this idea rather than filling off the new blade as I shot. Raise the rear sight firing 3 shot groups. I found every .015" raised the impact point 8" at 100 yards.

(note the rear sight does not sit supported on the base where the screw is. I have .015" there when the sight is all the way down.) I was pounded sore before I could get the setting right, but left off with the rear sight at the 200 meter mark ( .030), and was 4" low. The way I see it another .007" will get me dead on at 100 yards.

My groups with that old iron sight were just great at .75 each!!! These guns seem very accurate from the box.

[REDSTAR]

I've got a M44 that I did the same thing with as far as just raising the rear sight to hit dead on (er well, as close as you can get to dead on with an M44) at 100.

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by Mac_Muz
wonderin how your yugo's shoots with stock iron sights?

I found mine to shoot high with the stock front blade. That blade is .188" tall, and I replaced it with one from Numerich Arms. That blade is .315" tall. (1 meter = 100 yards 94 feet in my book)

now I can mess about LOL...at 100 yards this .315 shot low alright! 12" low...great... So I conjured up this idea rather than filling off the new blade as I shot. Raise the rear sight firing 3 shot groups. I found every .015" raised the impact point 8" at 100 yards.

(note the rear sight does not sit supported on the base where the screw is. I have .015" there when the sight is all the way down.) I was pounded sore before I could get the setting right, but left off with the rear sight at the 200 meter mark ( .030), and was 4" low. The way I see it another .007" will get me dead on at 100 yards.


Sounds like you are using Turkish ammo! That stuff isn't designed for European made Mausers. It is right for Turk 38's. If you used a 195 grain Euro load you wouldn't have had to change the front sight blade more than likely.

My groups with that old iron sight were just great at .75 each!!! These guns seem very accurate from the box.

[Mac_Muz]

Uh oh,,,,, yeah I am usin Turkish ammo. Seems nice enuff, just goes high. I am new to this and the ammo came from a gun show real cheap and I got alot!

The guy i got the ammo from said it was JS and non corrosive, but I clean as if it was corrosive as I think the guy was wrong. I have no idea what the turks weigh, as there was no box or tags since these were in 70 rnd bandoliers @ $5.00 apiece

This stuff is ok to shoot ain't it? it seems rather hot (kicks like 2 mules) But is accurate. I don't think I have any other gun that can shoot 3/4" groups at 100 yards with iron sights all day long or as long as I can stand to pull the trigger. (gotta get a slip on butt pad and a bottle of Ibuprofen)
i did not toss out the original site, but guessing where to shoot was a big problem.

My first time out I was at 80 yards and while the groups were centered well they were 12" high with no way to lower the rear sight. Mac

This reminds me of a buddy of mine he has some god awful Holand and Holand. He says the bullet flies dead level for 300 yards then it tends to climb a little.......

[Mac_Muz]

like an answer for the above post please

[REDSTAR]

The Turk ammo is great to shoot in Turks, and now your Yugo too since you adjusted the sight! The ammo is corrosive for sure. It's from the early 40's. The bullet weight is around 146 or 8 while the Yugo bullets are 198. Now I wonder if it will shoot yugo ammo low with that new sight on there?

Then again, this Turk stuff is cheap and plentiful so maybe you had a brilliant idea there fixing the sight to the Turk ammo. I've got way more Turk ammo than I do Com Block.

I don't think you have anything to worry about shooting any 8mm ammo through that yugo. Just remember any surplus ammo should be considered corrosive.

[Mac_Muz]

I have still not been able to find out what the bullet weight "IS" so will accept your call at 146-8 ish...I bet my sights would shoot 198 grain slugs low, but not so low that the rear sight would not compensate. There is about a 50 grain difference, and that spread is common to say the 30-06. You can get bullet weights for the 30-06 from about 110 to 220. So once the rear sight is set to dead low 100 meters, but the front sight makes this 100 yards with Turk, then it is just a matter of raising the rear blade to a unknown height (my bet the 220 meter setting) to get 198 slugs to hit near center at 100 yards.

I like little problems like this.... I am sure with a 100 meter to 2000 meters rear blade there is a place where this idea would work, and could be figured out easy.

I still can't believe the group sizes as my 50 year old eyes can't see the Bloomin sights and the target at the same time! And the target I am using at 100 yards is for a .22. It has 5 bulls eyes which have 1" blaze orange bull's, but at that distance very hard for me to see. Mac

[Schuetzenman]

Mac_Muz,
The Turk bullet is about 155 to 157 grains. I've pulled them and weighed them. Kenitic bullet pullers are useful that way.

Sorry I didn't look back sooner on this post.

If you went with Romanian or Yugoslavian or German 198 gr. ammo you probably would have found your sights to be on with in just a few inches.

Frankly I'm surprised you were only shooting 12 inches high. I have seen the Turk throw groups 18 inches high out of K98's and Yugo M48's.

Hot you mentioned. Yep it is. So hot it has blown the top covers off of 1919A4 Browning full auto machineguns a Knob creek! :eek:

I have two bandloeers of it and have yet to finish the first one. I don' trust it. I know thousands of people shoot thousands and thousands of rounds of it and I keep hearing rumors of rifles getting blown up. I haven't seen any. The 1919A4 was seen by a good buddy of mine in the spring. He saw it go up and then saw the bent topcover. That's enough for me to stay away. Those covers are not whimpy by any means.

[REDSTAR]

Well there you have it. Sorry for the wrong weight, I was going from memory and I guess my memory failed me because Shuetzenman was the first person who clued me in on the differences.

If you don't want your ammo you can send it to me. I'll be the official test subject for Turk ammo blowouts. :eek:

[Mac_Muz]

Thanks Schuetzenman, the only signs of hi pressure is the fact that my shoulder is still a bit sore. I like the trenches this stuff cuts behind the target box.
I shoot out back in the field, and have it all torn up now in that spot.

REDSTAR don't feel to bad about the error, we all make errors, and that is one I can live with. If you wanna come here to blow off a few I will supply them freeeeeeee hahaha. The rule is you can shoot all you want, but.....no recoil pad allowed, and no poofie coat either. You shoot like a man!!!! (ouch) :cryeyes:

As a side note where on the net can I find shooters with Interarms mausers? (this ain't a C&R) I grabbed a 308 this past Sat for cheap and like new.......???huh where huh? Mac

[REDSTAR]

Hey Mac, you're talking to a guy who consistently shoots 200 rounds of 7.62 x 54R through an M44 with no shirt on and the butt positioned right up against my collar bone for the hell of it just to warm up!

[Schuetzenman]

Redstar . . . you Animal! :rolleyes: :D

[Mac_Muz]

Redstar, in that case as I am Scottish I can cheaply "warm you up" I have this brain pick, a type of tomahawk with a spike on the back, and the regular hatchet edge forward. I can bruise you to the suffiecent level of pain first!:D I will say "Take the pain" a few times to boost your moral too, if you wish. Geeezzze!

I was not familar with the M-44 but saw the little club at the last gun show I went to....but no fear I got alot of that turk 8mm stuff.
it is no wonder our wives think we are nuts. I mean if a guy in a bar punched your shoulder that hard we all would want to kill him, but when we go pound the day lights out of our selves and turn around and smile, sayin Hi Hon wanna try a mans gun? Think (BIG BEAMY SMILE FACE ON) They just gotta wonder....;)

[REDSTAR]

LOL!

Seriously though, those M44's will leave a bruise after about 30 rounds.

Great HeMan rifles LMAO!

[Mac_Muz]

Dunno why but I tend to get wacked harder sighting in guns than when standing. I assume that sniper prone position, being lefty that means my right hand is curled up under the extreme end of the butt stock, with the rifle sand bagged. I try not to panic much just before I make the last squeeze.

Standing and being 140lbs soaking wet I tend to get rolled pretty good but it hurts less, mostly due to the fact that if a bullet is gonna say leave the barrel at 2,930 VFS I will move at 3,000 VFS
(velocity feet per second)
That M-44 looks like a kicker, but I gotta wonder what the diff is for the M-98 with the turk loads as that is rather stiff too.

Why is the turk load hotter? Mac

[REDSTAR]

LMAO!

But seriously,

Those M44's will bruise you after about 30 rounds.

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by Mac_Muz
Why is the turk load hotter? Mac

Because the Turks designed it that way . . . . LoL! ;)

But seriously they felt it gave them what they wanted in speed and trajectory. The biggest problem is that the stuff isn't unsafe unless you get a case that's overloaded. This is the problem. Their quality control is shall we say a bit spotty. Very light as well as very heavy (just about proof loads) loads exist within a batch of ammo. It's those occasional over proof loads that scare me! :eek: Like the ones that can ruin the top cover on a 1919.

Let me tell you the 1919A4 MG is is not whimpy in construction. It takes some force to bend the top cover especially when one considers how much room is inside the weapon to decompress the explosion. There isn't that kind of space in a bolt rifle if you follow me.

[Mac_Muz]

this turk ammo groups well at 100 yards even though it was high then with a new front blade low. I am working on it still.

If I saw the group widen up I would suspect probs, but so far with those damn irons I get 3/4" groups, and the cases look fine, no stretching, cracks, nuthin...I would reload these if I could get the damn berdain primers out. The gun is a brand new Yugo which I got to shoot.

If I see probs with consistancy then I would do different. I know it only takes just 1 to cause probs sometimes, and that 1 might be in there, but as long as these remain as they are I intend to use them. I will watch for sings of probs hard though....I drive a motor bike and there is always that danger too....see what I mean....ya gotta live and I will die when I die.....

[whos2kno]

Originally posted by REDSTAR
LMAO!

But seriously,

Those M44's will bruise you after about 30 rounds.

5 rounds im skinny

[Sutro]

Mac_Muz, you can get those Berdan's out by a trick I read a long time ago: Take a scrap of wood, drill a hole in it somewhat larger than the OD of the Berdan primer, take a wooden dowel and whittle & sand it until it will just fit in the mouth of the cartridge. Berdan primers then can be removed by filling the cartridge with water, placing the cartridge over the scrap of wood centered over the hole in it, insert the dowel, and give the dowel a light whack with a hammer. Water pressure will pop the primer out.

Of course, then you are left with the question of where to find some Berdan primers for reloading, and I haven't a clue about that one.

[I've got a Yugo M48-A. Awesome rifles, aren't they?]

[Schuetzenman]

Metric primers, try the Old Western Scrounger out in California.