Will this kit work on Turk Mauser?

[romarana]

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I am going to be building up a turk in 7.62X39 so I can eventually shoot 7.62X39 sub sonic rounds out of it as detailed on this web page: http://www.nucleus.com/~cronhelm/thumper.

[Schuetzenman]

Well I'll say this. The bore is too tight for 7.62 X 39 ammo from Russia. Those bullets run .310 to .311 and the barrel described in your link is a .308 I.D. barrel.

However if you are going to handload everything it may not be a problem at all. You will be able to use every .308 bullet made here in the US. Just watch out for shooting stock Russian ammo. Very high pressures likely to be generated if you do.

When you do your subsonic experiments do yourself a favor and don't use the powders that guy listed. Take my advise and try AA#7 powder or even the #5. For super sonic but just barely super sonic try the magnum type pistol powders like AA#9 or H110 or H4227. These will bulk up the case pretty good. Putting fillers in a case has been linked to putting a ring in the chamber of barrels.

Also forget lubricating the bore, that's nonsense. Use molycoated bullets if you want but don't lube the bore. I've done quite a bit of subsonic 200 gr. cast bullet shooting and experimenting back in 95 and 96. I was getting groupings under .500 inches for 10 shots at 100 yards using the powders listed here. The author of that article is listing groups that are INCHES in size. Try what I'm giving you here and YOU will be shooting sub 1 inch groups.

[romarana]

Thanks

I want something that will shoot stock russian as well as handloades. What specs are needed and would be best for this combo?

[Schuetzenman]

Well if you want it to shoot stock Russian ammo you'll need a barrel with a .310 groove diameter. Or you can try and have the throat reamed out long so that the bullet gets squeezed down like Ruger does with the Mini-30 rifles. Be advised though these rifles are not noted for accuracy.

Long throating means the bullet will have to "jump" a long way to engage the rifling. During the jump it will probalby start getting off axis and will contribute to wide shots and radical flyers.

Then your bullet selections will be very limited. You'll have to use .30 Enfield type bullets as they are .311 in diameter. This isn't a real popular caliber and bullet selection is very limited on weight and type (Soft point vs. BTHP).

[Led]

If you want to shoot stock russian ammo you will need a bore that is .311 inches in size. For your handloads you will have to use bullets that are .311 or your accuracy will be crap. There are several companies that make very good cast bullets. One such company is Bear Tooth Bullets. They sell a wide variety of bullets in just about any size you want.

Jacketed bullets in .311 are a little harder to find but they are out there. The selection of bullets won't be as good but they are around and don't cost much more than true .308 sized projectiles.

Hope this helps,
Led

[Led]

Wow, you got two answers for the price of one.

Later,
Led

[romarana]

Ok let me see if I understand you correctly. If I use a barrel that can shoot stock russian ammo(.311) (.300) then I will not have as many options when I begin the handloading process. If I use the barrel listed in the link (.300) I will not be able to use russian ammo BUT I will be able to use more bullet options for handloading.

I really want to be able to shot the stock russian as well as the hand loads. I am going to look into the cast bullets. Also where can I look for the jacketed .311 bullets.

[romarana]

Woops thanks led you answered my question as I was making my last reply.

[Led]

This site will have everything you need:

http://www.e-reloading.com/

Later,
Led

[Schuetzenman]

Well jacketed .311 bullets are made by Sierra, Speer, Hornaday. Winchester makes the 123 gr. .310 diameter fmj slugs, I think they have a S.P. bullet too.

Winchester and Remington also make brass. A case will cost about $.12 each. Bullets will start at $.12 and go up to $.22 each depending on the maker and weight.