Home-Defense Slide Action Shotguns

[Steven Mace]

Remington Model 870 Express Magnum Synthetic, Mossberg Persuader Model 590A1 or Winchester Defender Model 1300, which 12ga. shotgun would you choose & why? All have a matte-black finish with synthetic buttstock and forearm. All have 3" chambers with either 18" or 18.5" barrels. What has been your experience with these shotguns? Or is there another one out there that you prefer?

[Ready]

Mossberg 590A1...you can stick a bayo on the end and impale them if need be. Otherwise...pretty equal.

[Rew]

I have used all 3 the Mossy and the Winny I have owned, the Remmy I used in the military. I could have bought any of them, I have two 1300s one 12 ga defender and a 20 ga gun for birds. The 1300 has a faster action than the others and seems to fit me better out of the box. I, would short stroke the Mossy once in a while, and the Remmy just never felt right. ;)

[jpglee1]

For a house... 500A or 590 w/out a doubt...

590 can be had double action which is a HUGE plus in my book. Leave it loaded 1 in chamber, by the bed. If someone walks in point and pull trigger, BOOM :)


W/my 500 I leave the bolt unlocked but w/out one in the chamber. Simply because rarely do you survive from an AD from a shotty. I don't want to risk my ol lady or my dog or someone setting it off...

If it was a 590 I would leave it hammer down on a loaded chamber. This is how I carry my Makarov...


I would say you can't lose w/a Mossberg.

heres my 500A:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/jpglee1/ShottySKS.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/jpglee1/shottysite.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/jpglee1/shottylight.jpg

I put the rifle sites on myself. They came off my Remington 22 that now has a red-dot on it... The sites are steel so I just MIG'd em right to the BBL. Problem solved.

The light is a $7.00 wal mart "headmount" work light in a $5.00 walmart 1" scope ring. The pic rail is attached to the sling swivel hole. Epoxy holds it aligned. As soon as I find a steel pic rail I will weld it right to the bottom of the BBL in front of the mag tube.

For my $$$ I would get the mossberg.


J

[HPK]

I just got the September "Gun Tests" today and they tested these three shotguns. The 1300 got "Our Pick" but the 590A1 and 870 both got a "Buy It". From the article: "...Model 1300...Our Pick. This combo offered the best mix of speed, capacity, and resistance to jamming...".

[shortydog]

Mossberg 590A1...you can stick a bayo on the end and impale them if need be. Otherwise...pretty equal.

they have a bayo lug ?

[Ready]

Yup. :woot

[shortydog]

i did not see anything on mossbergs websight about a bayo lug. i have been looking at a rem 870 hd but if the 590a1 has a bayo lug it might change my mind.
i have a 500 pg , and like it very well.

[Steven Mace]

http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/images/51411.jpg

I too looked at the Mossberg (http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/Law.htm) website and saw no reference to a bayonet lug on their Model 590A1. Am I missing something?

Steve Mace

[jpglee1]

http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/images/51411.jpg

I too looked at the Mossberg (http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/Law.htm) website and saw no reference to a bayonet lug on their Model 590A1. Am I missing something?

Steve Mace

http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_nonsub/shotguns/870_590_compare/mossberg_bayonet_lug_d.jpg

http://members.tripod.com/~MustangMan5/590-bayonet2.jpg

For some reason we can't post pics, but theres the lug above... I dunno WHY you'd WANT a bayo, but to each his own....


Here's more on it:

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh04-e.htm

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_other_firearms_shotgun_mossberg590.php

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/mossser.htm

JP

[Ready]

Actually, it makes more sense to have a bayo. on a shotgun than it does on a rifle being that it is a close quarters combat weapon and a trench gun.

[deanimator]

Ithaca Model 37 Deerslayer Police Special with seven round magazine and no disconnector.

Really gets a reaction when the muzzle's shoved into somebody's crotch!

[NorthernFirepower]

I picked the 1300 for one simple reason, the safety. I always liked the 870's but now that I learned my own patterns of hunting or defense, I just like the safety in the front of the trigger group. I'm currentlly looking for an older one that's in good shape, things just aren't made like they used to be.

[THEDOGCATCHER]

I'd stick with the Remington. I own both Remington and Mossberg. The 870 fits me better and I am convinced of the dependability.

[NorthernFirepower]

Currently I'm making due with an old Stevens 820 12ga., I works fine but I don't think that it can be upgraded tactically.

[blobman]

what rew said,winchesters ive handled have super slick actions and pump with ease,makes me wonder why i got rid of my 1200 and thewn got an870

[mrkalashnikov]

Of all the pump scatterguns I've ever handled, I don't believe I've ever found any more reliable & smoother to operate than my 12 gauge Winchester Model 1200. Action is like greased glass, light to handle and point, always goes Bang! when trigger pulled.
I've had it since I was in High School (bought it used), and that's been a while.

As a bonus, it has some of the most beautifully-grained and finished walnut I've ever seen on any gun.

[c133jim]

Can NEVER go wrong with the old tried & true 870!!!!

[geneinnc]

which ever you get the best buy on. I myself found an old junker, cut the barrel to 20" put on a LARGE front bead. Refinished it With Brownell's cold blue. Took the plug out. way less than $100 in it. "6 shot is deadly inside of the magic 21ft zone. No worries on over penetration through walls

[Gunfighter123]

Hello All,
The Mossbergs are a Best Buy for the bucks. But the Remington 870 has the most aftermarket stuff for it.
I would look for a used Rem. 870 --- seen them for as little as $200 !!!!
Take care --- Bird

[jpglee1]

Anyone ever took the disconnector out of their 500 or 590?


J

[Flinter]

I prefer the Winchester. The safety in front of the trigger makes it faster to get into action for me and the model 1300 action itself is faster/more user friendly IMHO.

I tend to short stroke 870's.

I have no experience with Mossbergs.

[topolover]

Mossy 500A is perfect! Except where I am, 21 feet is way too far. Here it's more like 8'. The size of my place is why. So I don't waste my time with a multi-shot weapon. I have a New England Arms "Pardner" single shot 12 gauge (barrel cut down to 18 3/16") with a 3" chamber & I always keep one round in the chamber with 5 rounds ion a shell sleeve on the stock with 1-1/4 BB steel shot. I'll attach pics someday.

I have the steel shot 'cause we have to think of the environment! :up:

[HDR]

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//3107/2320ragdoll.jpg

Although I own others, this is my favorite around the house because it is small, its faster handling in close spaces.

[Dafapa]

I have the mossberg 500. Had it with a pistol grip origionally and decided it wasn't practical. Put a full synthetic hogue stock on it, and it fits me rather poorly. Good gun for the money, but the fit just isn't there.

[topolover]

Something to consider is the pump action. NOTHING is more influential than a pump action working. Trust me on that! LOL!

[HDR]

Something to consider is the pump action. NOTHING is more influential than a pump action working. Trust me on that! LOL!

Or the "influential" noise of an AR or a Kalashnikov chambering at night? ;)

[thegundude]

How about this for a slide action home defense shootin' iron?? :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/mr_gun_guy/Gun%20pics/Pistols/serbu2.jpg

[monkey]

Which ever one you pay the least for gets my vote. The Winchesters have great actions. The Mossbergs are a good value, and work. The Remington's work great, cost more, but more PD's carry them if you try to keep your weapons similar to what your local coppers carry if you find yourself having to explain why you chose that weapon to defend yourself with in court. Reasonable upgrades/add ons are availible for all 3 if you shop around.

[Rew]

Good advice Monkey. But most people on a jury can't tell one pump from another. It's a pump, just like the cops use, is good enough I think. I now have two home defense pumps. Still have the Winchester of course and an old High Standard that lives in the Bronco. Both are 7 shooters. ;)

[monkey]

7 shots can definitely be a big plus if you need them.My 590A1 holds 9, the 11-87 holds 5 for now. Hoping to never have to use a single shot, but if I do the extras would definitely be comforting. Fortunately extended mag tubes can be had for all. As well as different stocks, shorter barrels, and sideshell holders. With different mounting brackets you can add what ever gadgets or gizmos your heart desires.

[Rew]

Agreed the Winny has 7 in the tube, empty chamber, 6 in the side saddle, and 5 on the top folding stock. I made a mistake the Winny is an 8 shooter when need be. I don't plan on to much walking with the Winny. The Hi-Standard has just the 6 in the tube, empty chamber, and what is in my pockets. This one I may be doing some walking with. ;)

[monkey]

Just don't ya got walking too far with the boomer! :killemall

[MikeDestruction]

I have nothing but good things to say about the Mossberg be it a 500 or 590,they are excellent guns and the lower price is just a bonus.I grew up using their shotty's and have stayed a fan every since.

[Cam02Ram]

Actually, it makes more sense to have a bayo. on a shotgun than it does on a rifle being that it is a close quarters combat weapon and a trench gun.


True but I would'nt want an extra 12 inches of bayo hanging off the front of my gun... I am a remington 870 guy.. I/dad bought my first gun when I was 15 it was just a 870 express mag. but I have made it into a tatical 870 I got a 18 inch barrel and a M4 style coll. stock with an 8 shell mag.

[snyder ryder]

I have heard a story of the Win.1300 & a Bennellie having problem's at a police shooting match. I'm not sure what the problem's were. I have heard good recommendations from two cop's & a Vietmanvet./gunsmith about the Rem.870 & the Moss.500. I my self have had both the Moss. 500 & the Win.1300 & did not have any problem's with ether one of them at the time I owned them. forgive any miss spelling's

[ninner]

I have an 870 and an A5 for hunting but I choose the 1300 because mine will reliably cycle agula 12ga mini's, with the mag tube extension thats a buttload of firepower. I need to check and see how many it will hold.

[mil-collector]

i love my m-500, but i voted other.
i've got one of those norinco? m-1897 trench gun repros. no disconnector, 5+1, bayo lug with cut down 8" bayonet, stock is just the right length......just love the way it handles now that it's all broken in.


edit to add: if my mossberg were shorter ... it'd be my first choice. but it's my trap gun. can't do it the other way around. they look at you cross eyed when you try to shoot clays with the trench gun around here ;)

[Old Grump]

Have Browning, and Winchesters but always grab the Mossberg for serious or chuckles and giggles. Nothing against the others except the Browning being a bit heavy, the Mossberg just seems to fit me better.

[RIGHTWINGJOE]

I voted Other:

Having all of them, they are all good :up:

Kind of like asking which AK is worst and why.... :dunno:

[chief_kc2002]

I'm a Lefty so Mossberg 590 for ergonomics

[RJ Shooter]

Old thread, but I'll throw my own pic into the mix. I love my Mossy 500 Tactical with it's lovely and painful muzzle device. :D

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//3341/Mossberg500Tactical-01.jpg[/url]

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//3341/medium/Gunshow-093007-02.jpg[url="http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//3341/medium/Gunshow-093007-02.jpg"] (http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//3341/Mossberg500Tactical-01.jpg)

[G6ECHO]

I found a s&w 3000 at a gun shop and fell in love.Its parkerized,factory side folder,factory mag extension,factory pistol grip.Ya dont see these every day!Now its mine... :dancin

[Archernarcher]

I have an Ithica 37. Bottom ejection, love it!

Really ANY good, solid pump works. That is one sound every jack-ape in the world knows!. #4's if you're in town and have to worry about over-penetration endangering neighbors, I'm in the boonies and load nothing but slugs. NOBODY gets back up from a 1 oz soft lead hollowpoint.

John

[ULTRATACTICALMANxx]

WHATS THE MOST ULTRATACTICAL SHOTGUN l COULD GET?

[Dr. Gonzo]

WHATS THE MOST ULTRATACTICAL SHOTGUN l COULD GET?
YOU NEED A BREAK OPEN SINGLE SHOT .410 WITH A BANTAM STOCK!!!!!!!!!!

[Old Grump]

YOU NEED A BREAK OPEN SINGLE SHOT .410 WITH A BANTAM STOCK!!!!!!!!!!

Gotta go change my pants now

[Dr. Gonzo]

Gotta go change my pants now
My work here is done...:)

[Monkeyspanker]

Pretty hard to beat the Mossberg Persuader. They are well built. I have a 500 that is parkerized with pistol grip and heatshield. It holds a bunch of shells (8+1 I think) and is perfect for home defense.

[RIGHTWINGJOE]

Gotta go change my pants now
:lool: :lool: :lool:

[Alexb]

Gotta stick with my Mossberg

[shortexistence]

870 all the way. Almost 10million have been sold, American Hunter named it the top shotgun of all time, and the cops (swat dea and the locals) love em. I like flashy so I have an 870 Marine Magnum 18" with a top folding stock with pistol grip, 7rd mag, nickle plated heat shield, and a 6rd side saddle. Its loaded with buckshot beside my bed at night and its even a decent trap gun.
:ywoot

[Meat-Hook]

"Although I own others, this is my favorite around the house because it is small, its faster handling in close spaces."
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Wow! Im suprised. For some reason I just didnt see HDR as a pistol grip shotgun guy.

But,..then again I was having a conversion last night about just how
personal firearms are. What works for one individual does not work
for another. Last night my buddies wife showed me her new S&W 9mm
semi-auto handgun. She told me she loves it and is very accurate with it
and feels safe with it. She told me this was after her hubby bought her a
S&W 686 revolver and was trying to persuade her that this was the gun
she should go with. Turns out she prefers autos over revolvers.

[Bluntforce]

Of all the pump scatterguns I've ever handled, I don't believe I've ever found any more reliable & smoother to operate than my 12 gauge Winchester Model 1200. Action is like greased glass, light to handle and point, always goes Bang! when trigger pulled.
I've had it since I was in High School (bought it used), and that's been a while.

As a bonus, it has some of the most beautifully-grained and finished walnut I've ever seen on any gun.

Same here, (bought used) best fitting shotgun for me because of the pump handle reaching the receiver. Beautiful stock, I had mine cut down. Action so smooth it could make John Wayne cry tears of joy.

[HDR]

Actually I need two choices, either a Rem 870 18" cylinder bore or a Mossberg 500A 20" Accu-Choke, whatever Accu-choke might be..
;)

AFA as smooth running pump, an Ithaca M37 is the smoothest action I've ever handled.
The Ithaca model 37 shotgun is one of the oldest pump action shotguns still in production. It was introduced in the 1937, and was based on the design patented by John M. Browning in 1915 and improved by Harry Howland of Ithaca Gun Co in 1931. Originally Browning sold his design to the Remington Arms Co, but later Ithaca Gun Company bought this design from Remington and began to build its own shotguns.

To see smooth demonstrated, with the butt stock on the floor, point an empty pump at the ceiling and push the slide unlock. Very few pumps will unlock and open as far as a M37.

The wizardry of John Browning. ;)

[American Rage]

I like them all!

Winchester is the fastest and has the biggest spread.

Remington has the most accessories and a steel reciever. It's also the best for double duty---hunting and self defense. It's spread is in between the Winchester and the Mossberg.

Mossberg has the tightest spread and the best safety ergonomics.

(Spread sizes are according to Gun Test Magazine)

In the end, it depends on what you want it for.

I have two. A Mossberg 500A 7+1 shot, and a Mossberg 590 8+1 shot.

I love them both.


RAge

[Meat-Hook]

"To see smooth demonstrated, with the butt stock on the floor, point an empty pump at the ceiling and push the slide unlock. Very few pumps will unlock and open as far as a M37.

The wizardry of John Browning."
-----------------

Until you see the wizardry of Oliver Winchester;)

Sometimes when you put the butt stock on the floor of
a Winchester 1300 Defender shotgun, it will partially
unlock all by itself.

When you fire the Winchester 1300, same thing. That bolt/slide
combo is so fast it will partially unload and eject the shotgun shell
casing if you are not holding onto the fore grip. Thats how fast it
is.

[American Rage]

"To see smooth demonstrated, with the butt stock on the floor, point an empty pump at the ceiling and push the slide unlock. Very few pumps will unlock and open as far as a M37.

The wizardry of John Browning."
-----------------

Until you see the wizardry of Oliver Winchester;)

Sometimes when you put the butt stock on the floor of
a Winchester 1300 Defender shotgun, it will partially
unlock all by itself.

When you fire the Winchester 1300, same thing. That bolt/slide
combo is so fast it will partially unload and eject the shotgun shell
casing if you are not holding onto the fore grip. Thats how fast it
is.

I can do that with any of the big three.

Rage

[Meat-Hook]

Rage,

sad part is, Winchester is no longer part of the
big 3:(

[American Rage]

Rage,

sad part is, Winchester is no longer part of the
big 3:(

TRUE!

Rage

[rich52us]

I went with a Mossy 500 with ghost ring sights. I put a light with pressure switch and a heat shield on it. I am confident I will get the job done with it.

[American Rage]

Although I've commented, I hadn't cast a vote until now.

Mossberg 590A1!


Rage

[AmirMortal]

M590 A1 for me.

Stocks fit me great, 8+1, Ghostring sights, 20" heavy barrel, I added the Knoxx SpecoPs to mine.

I'm wrong-handed so the safety tang and slide release button work best for me. Never had anything even remotely leaning towards unreliability.

[mefgee]

Ithica Model 37 Stakeout, 13" bbl, 22.5" overall. Only holds four 00Buck in the tube, but that should be enough.

It's been next to my bed for 20 yrs.

[l4mbr3tt4]

Thanks for adding "other" to your vote!

Saiga 12=OMFG.

The only downside to the Saiga 12, is the bad guy usually pisses or shits themselves. Cleanup's a bitch.

[Battlehound]

I would have a hard time choosing which shotgun is best for home defense. I lean toward a short double barrelled 12 gauge loaded with 00 or 000 buckshot with three inch chambers, or a short barrelled semiautomatic 12 gauge like the Remington model 11 that I already have. The double would have ejectors, of course. I read about a Border patrol agent whose Winchester model 97 jammed in a firefight. Afterwards he got himself a cut down double barrelled L.C. Smith 12 gauge. In a combat situation there are many things that can go wrong. Chances are that you will be moving and bumping into things. Things like that can interfere with manual operation that is critical to the function of the weapon. The autoloader takes care of that for you, and you are better off when there are fewer things left to chance. The model 11 must be held against the shoulder when fired or it will jam, so there can be no off handed operation. This limits the weapon's effectiveness. So the double 12 is my choice. There are few situations that can't be handled with that weapon. I would still choose the double for hunting or combat in the field, but with longer barrels. The same criteria apply. Although I really like the model 11, the double is my pick for an all around just about everything weapon-at least for my particular requirements. With reloads in a side saddle and ejectors, it is amazing how fast you can reload. And, no other weapon I can think of (that is available to citizens) has such an effective first shot capability. You can touch off two barrels at the same time. What other gun can match that kind of firepower? I have a superb model 870, but I would swap it for a good double any day!