ADCOM .223 ammo (Revised 05/26/2008 see post #29)

[308]

I WOULD STRONGLY CAUTION EVERYONE against using Adcom ammunition as your first choice defensive ammunition.

See post #29





A223AM Adcom .223 62grn M855 Ball
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/a223am.gif
Item#A223AM
High Quality .223 62grn M855 Ball ammunition Manufactured in 1999-2003 by Adcom Manufacturing for Military Contract. Brass Case, Boxer Primed, and Non-corrosive featuring a 62grn steel core FMJ Bullet. While supplies last!

500rd case: $89.95ea

- (1 item) $89.95
- (2 to 3 items) $85.00
- (4 or more) $82.50


http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of__223.html


Curious about ADCOM, so I searched the web and found this...
Sounds like they have their act together as a company.

About ADCOMMFG

ADCOMMFG was established to meet the needs of the UAE Armed Forces and other UAE government organisations. To run the plant at full production capacity and achieve optimum results, however, it needed to exploit more business opportunities and develop new markets within and outside UAE.

Thanks to a dedicated marketing team and new marketing strategies, ADCOMMFG has made inroads into the Oman, Kuwait and Qatar markets. All prospective clients are given a presentation. If they agree a deal, they will receive regular visits from a dedicated account manager. ADCOMMFG also provides free training for its customers as part of a drive to raise awareness about ammunition testing and quality standards. This initiative has helped the company build trust and its reputation in the Gulf countries.

ADCOMMFG's long-term aim is to become a market leader for small arms ammunition manufacturing. To achieve this goal, the company intends to enter new markets - Bahrain, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Europe, for example - and capture more business opportunities.

Read More.... (http://www.defencesystemsinternational.com/articles/dsi016_006_adcom.htm)

:bye:

[308]

Got the ammo Monday. It's beautiful, brand new shiney 62grn M855 Ball.
Can't wait to shoot it this weekend.
Range report to follow...

[Dan44]

I've read alot of bad reports about this ammo on other forums. I'm staying away from this stuff.

[Hondo]

Got the ammo Monday. It's beautiful, brand new shiney 62grn M855 Ball.
Can't wait to shoot it this weekend.
Range report to follow...

I will be waiting to hear the results, this ammo looks good.

[308]

Hondo,
I've hand inspected 500 rounds of the 1000 and have found the following by randomly grabbing handfulls of ammo from my can:

Each of the random 100 rounds has 8-10% physical rejects
Rejects consist of major denting or split casing at the neck
Overall Length of the rounds varies between 2.230" to 2.256"
Lot number is AML99M010-002
All of the rounds inspected have the red sealant around the primer pocket

I've seen similar issues with my Lake City XM193 mil surplus ammo, but not in the 8-10% percentage rate.

At this time, the physical rejects will probably equal 4-5 20 round boxes.
Range report to follow.

[grady]

308 Thanks for the above inspection results.
YIKES 8-10% rejects w/ denting and splits!!!
Im definatley gonna hold off untill I here your range report.

[308]

Shot the ADCOM ammo today with very positive results.

Groupings at 50yards with the EOTech were <2" and <4" at 100yards. Ammo seems to provide consistant POI.
Considering my eyes aren't what they used to be and the fact that I was using a red dot sight, I'm happy with the results.

The loads seems hotter than the XM193 I've been shooting.

The ammo is very clean with little to no smoke.

As far as failures go, I shot 120 rounds and had ZERO failures...none. I have read that some people have had problems with primers falling out after the round has been fired. I collected all my brass and found (2) were missing the primers which were later found adjacent to the shooting bench.

At this point I have sorted 500 rounds, reviewed my rejected rounds and found (40) rounds out of the (500) to be un-acceptable due to major denting and\or split casings at the neck.

If you can get past the rejects, I'd say this is some very nice ammo to shoot.

[Skip]

A sure sign of high pressure or hot loads is missing primer or it could be poor quality. Were the other primers flattened.

[308]

Skip, here's what I've got so far...sorry for the poor quality images.

Example of the spent casings...(two with missing primers)
http://www.evilrifle.com/ammo/adcom/adcom-primers.jpg

Example of the few dented casings separated from lot:
http://www.evilrifle.com/ammo/adcom/adcom-dents.jpg

Example of the few split case necks:
http://www.evilrifle.com/ammo/adcom/adcom-splits.jpg

Example of some small buldges in the case necks:
http://www.evilrifle.com/ammo/adcom/adcom-necks.jpg

And a photo of the ammo pile:
http://www.evilrifle.com/ammo/adcom/adcom-goodammo.jpg

[Skip]

How did that ammo get through inspection? Those cases with the dents below the neck I find all the time at the range. They look like FTF rounds repackaged. Also be sure to check your trigger area for primers. The loose primers can get lodged in the trigger area and lock your gun up.

[jester]

It seems ADCOM's QA dept. leaves much to be desired...

[dmb4765]

Has anyone who actually shot this stuff been injured? Also, has anyone contacted AIM to see what they know, what they intend to do regarding their vendor, and if they will refund/replace the bad ammo? I know I'd be pissed if I am wasting 10% of my purchase price. I have super experiences with AIM in the past, and I hope they step up on this issue. Heck, I was actually getting ready to order this very ammo and pick it up next week, so I am extremely interested in repsonses. Happy Thanksgiving, and God Bless to all.

[JE3146]

Shot the ADCOM ammo today with very positive results.

Groupings at 50yards with the EOTech were <2" and <4" at 100yards. Ammo seems to provide consistant POI.
Considering my eyes aren't what they used to be and the fact that I was using a red dot sight, I'm happy with the results.

The loads seems hotter than the XM193 I've been shooting.

The ammo is very clean with little to no smoke.

As far as failures go, I shot 120 rounds and had ZERO failures...none. I have read that some people have had problems with primers falling out after the round has been fired. I collected all my brass and found (2) were missing the primers which were later found adjacent to the shooting bench.

At this point I have sorted 500 rounds, reviewed my rejected rounds and found (40) rounds out of the (500) to be un-acceptable due to major denting and\or split casings at the neck.

If you can get past the rejects, I'd say this is some very nice ammo to shoot.

8% rejects and possibly blown primers.... = not worth it for me...

[Epinephrine]

Sounds worse than the PD ammo. At least PD ammo dosent lose their primers. Primer loss bad. Gun go BOOOM.

[JE3146]

Sounds worse than the PD ammo. At least PD ammo dosent lose their primers. Primer loss bad. Gun go BOOOM.

Guns are supposed to go BOOM ;)... just I think this stuff will BOOM in the wrong direction...

[308]

Guns are supposed to go BOOM ;)... just I think this stuff will BOOM in the wrong direction...
Please explain in detail.

[JE3146]

Please explain in detail.

Blown primers. Possible sign of overpressure.

Usual tolerances of powder charges are +/- to a certain degree.

Companies like Wolf have crappy tolerances when it comes to powder charge. To offset the risk of this, their target load is well below NATO specs. This also gives them their characteristic "underpowered" trait. If it goes too far high, it's still not in a dangerous area.

If a company's target load is NATO specs and their tolerances are too far out of wack, then too much + can lead to blown primer's, possibly blown primer pockets, and possibly even kabooms.. which... "goes BOOM in the wrong direction" ;)

[308]

I think they have out of spec casings and poor materials. I've got a few brass casings that appear to be *delaminating*...the brass is peeling away from the case. :dunno:

[308]

For the record:
Purchased a case of this recently from Aim as they were out of, Wolf, Silver Bear, cheap Russian steel cased ammo for my DPMS A15.
I have only fired steel case ammo with this rifle using Colt LEO mags with green followers.
Fired 15o rounds this weekend of Adcom and every mag i had one or two failure to extract fired round, bolt cycled picking up fresh round and jammed into fired case.
Switched to steel case Silver bear no problems.
I am new to ar's and can't seem to find the problem. Any solutions or could it be the ammo?

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=262819

Thanks for the headsup MsCav.

[pit dog-1]

OH come on ( Didn't ya all see the front of the new AIM catalog) :nutkick:

This past weekend I was able to test ADCOM 5.56x45 M855ammo provided by AIM.upon opening the box,Iwas greeted with ammothat looked like military ammo should. the brass was clean and shiny, with only marks made by the annealing process. no handling marks were observed. compared to other M855 rounds of known quality. the ADCOM ammo from AIM stacked up nicely. at the range , I did back to back comparisons with US military spec. M855 ammo I could detect no difference in feel, accuracy, report, or point of impact when comparing the two. ADCOM ammo was chronographed, and all velocities met military specs. out of a rifle barrel. overall, I would give this ammo an "A" grade, and recommend it to all looking for good mil-spec 5.56x45 ammunition.

COLLIN RINK OFCC of AIM

DO YOU REALLY THINK COLLIN WOULD LIE TO US JUST TO SELL SOME AMMO. :big: :big: :big: :big: :drink:

[JE3146]

OH come on ( Didn't ya all see the front of the new AIM catalog) :nutkick:

This past weekend I was able to test ADCOM 5.56x45 M855ammo provided by AIM.upon opening the box,Iwas greeted with ammothat looked like military ammo should. the brass was clean and shiny, with only marks made by the annealing process. no handling marks were observed. compared to other M855 rounds of known quality. the ADCOM ammo from AIM stacked up nicely. at the range , I did back to back comparisons with US military spec. M855 ammo I could detect no difference in feel, accuracy, report, or point of impact when comparing the two. ADCOM ammo was chronographed, and all velocities met military specs. out of a rifle barrel. overall, I would give this ammo an "A" grade, and recommend it to all looking for good mil-spec 5.56x45 ammunition.

COLLIN RINK OFCC of AIM

DO YOU REALLY THINK COLLIN WOULD LIE TO US JUST TO SELL SOME AMMO. :big: :big: :big: :big: :drink:

Do you REALLY want me to give an honest answer ;) ??

[MsCav]

I am going to open and inspect all the ammo I purchased this weekend and I will contact AIM to see what if anything they will do about the rejects.
Thought I was buying quality stuff and to be honest the only reason I purchase this was they were out of Silver Bear that I have been shooting. I've fired a 500 round brick of CHEAP Russian ammo with not a single failure!

[308]

I am going to open and inspect all the ammo I purchased this weekend and I will contact AIM to see what if anything they will do about the rejects.
Thought I was buying quality stuff and to be honest the only reason I purchase this was they were out of Silver Bear that I have been shooting. I've fired a 500 round brick of CHEAP Russian ammo with not a single failure!
I have not approached anyone at AIM yet, but I do know that their representative on the gunsnet forum is fully aware of this thread. I originally posted this in the AIM forum, but the AIM rep began to delete the negative comments posted; therefore, I moved the thread over here to our forum.

As far as why I bought this ammo, it was based solely upon the reputation of AIM Surplus...and the fact that they have never done me wrong.

Something to consider though, a year or so ago, AIM came out with the Polish polymer mags and everyone started snapping them up a ~$9\ea. These are great mags, but someone noticed (what appears to be) slight cracking on the surface the plastic material. One of our members who knows about injection moldings said that it was something that occurs during the mfg process and should not be of concern.

Nevertheless, the web was buzzing about how these mags may or may not be defective and quite a few people contacted AIM for replacement others such as me kept them and used them with positive results. Now, I am not aware of any failures with these mags, and in fact, they command a premium price now IF you can find someone to part with them.

Bottom line is, stick to the facts, and deal with AIM in private if you need to.

For the rest, this thread is a record of facts regarding a certain product. If you have no experience with it, keep your comments focused on the topic and leave speculation out of the equation.

[pit dog-1]

[/QUOTE 308]Bottom line is, stick to the facts, and deal with AIM in private if you need to.

For the rest, this thread is a record of facts regarding a certain product. If you have no experience with it, keep your comments focused on the topic and leave speculation out of the equation.[/QUOTE]


Facts / speculation /equation :big:
we are just going by what you and others said and showed in your pics.
(and what is wrote on the front cover AIMs catalog)
I have delt with AIM many times and allways been very happy.
but I am tired of people trying to pass off ammo as good mil spec.
when in fact it is shit and with out inspection of each round, potentiality very dangerous ammo to the shooter, and may be damaging to the weapon firing it

BTW. I have some polish mags. from AIM and I am very happy with them :big: wish I could get some more

Do you REALLY want me to give an honest answer ;) ??

YES
well maybe not I don't want to get you in trouble :big:

[JE3146]

308, can you post some close ups of one of the peices of brass that spit out it's primer?

I'd be curious if there are any signs of stress or overpressure, or if they did just in fact... fall out.

[308]

JE3146, based upon my reloading experience, I think the primers were loose enough to fall out under pressure due to out of spec casings. No stress or flattend primers.

My guess, this lot# is a rejected lot and sold as surplus. Many variations in OL and material quaility is evident.

A few cases seem to have the brass peeling off in layers...kinda like unrolling...nasty and sharp.

[Schuetzenman]

JE3146, based upon my reloading experience, I think the primers were loose enough to fall out under pressure due to out of spec casings. No stress or flattend primers.

My guess, this lot# is a rejected lot and sold as surplus. Many variations in OL and material quaility is evident.

A few cases seem to have the brass peeling off in layers...kinda like unrolling...nasty and sharp.

From what I see in your photo of the primers I don't see high pressure signs, he primers are not flattened at the edges that one gets with high pressure. I think that your acessment of out of spec primer pockets is probably true.

I also recently saw an ad for 9 mm Adcom ammo.....said it was made in Abu Dabi (sp) that's an Arab nation and probably speaks to why the low quality. I would also think that some cases of this ammo could have zero defects, not guaranteed to have bad rounds necessarily IMO. IT would speak to why it's available, not reliable quality for combat troops. Sounds like visual inspection is required if one purchases. The thing about lose primers is not good however as primers falling out of primer pockets can lock up a trigger group on the AR-15 weapon. It will be quite useless until the top is opened and the primer shaken out of the weapon. Ask me how I know. ;)

[pit dog-1]

Ok how do you know :nanaboo:

[308]

I would like to follow up on this old thread and issue a warning to anyone shooting this ammo through an AR15 style rifle.

While shooting at the range last week I experienced an inordinate amount of jamming with this ammo. What I found was the primers kept falling out of the spend casings and jamming the trigger mechanism, and even worse, these primers would break into smaller pieces and jam the bolt carrier into the receiver. This later type of jam would require pulling the charging handle rearward and slamming the buttstock or protected barrel end on a solid surface to get the bolt carrier to move. This type of jam was even worse than the pig-pile jam that AR15s occasionally experience when a round does not fully eject and the bolt moves forward and jams the spent and live round into the chamber.

I WOULD STRONGLY CAUTION EVERYONE against using Adcom ammunition as your first choice defensive ammunition.

At this point, I have passed the remainder of my Adcom ammo to a friend with a .223 AK for testing. It is possible that the problem with primers dropping out into the receiver may not be a problem with an AK, but they are certainly bad joojoo for us AR15 owners.

[ubersoldate]

Thanks for the heads up and spreading the word.
I got a grip of it from aim and found it was really good or bad due to batches.
I had one batch that was a primer dropping PITA then another that was perfect.

It wasnt worth the hassle, I as well sold it to an AK buddy...

[RJ Shooter]

This thread reminded me that I have 720 rounds of Radway Green 62gr that I have been scared to fire for 6-7 years. Should I be scared???? :eek:

I think I decided not to fire it after hearing of "kabooms" with it. Was there a certain headstamp I should avoid?

Sorry for the hijack 308!

[BL33D 4 M3]

I refrained from buying the ADCOM after reading this and other user warnings. Thanks 308.
This thread reminded me that I have 720 rounds of Radway Green 62gr that I have been scared to fire for 6-7 years. Should I be scared???? :eek:

I think I decided not to fire it after hearing of "kabooms" with it. Was there a certain headstamp I should avoid?

Sorry for the hijack 308!
I have some Radway Green 62. Got it on strippers in bandoliers. Never had any issues whatsoever.