Ordered 2 more kits..PPSH-41 and SUOMI

[C_Kassidy]

I broke down and called centerfire systems and ordered a PPSH-41. I have no idea how to build it but the gun looks like it would be fun to shoot. This makes my non-ak kits up to 3.
Sten MK III
PPSH-41
Suomi

I just got the Suomi cos it was 20 bucks because of the ppsh. Plus, I was thinking the barrel might be able to fit the Sten... it would make getting a flash suppressor or barrel extension easier. I have my doubts the barrel ban will affect AKM type kits but I know it will take away all SMG types. No way to prove them a "Sporting Arm".
I just about got an UZI kit, probably kick myself later for passing that up.

[Shadowsan]

If your PPSH-41 parts kit is like mine, your first impulse will be to order a couple more, soon!

I am.

[C_Kassidy]

I got my kits and I decided to post a pic of my SUOMI after all. I got to looking at it and the other one that is for my buddy and noticed the one I am keeping is different. The wood looks a bit nicer and it has a strange muzzlebrake on the heat shroud that the other one does not have. Anybody know the reason for this ? Also, the wood stock is slightly different. there is a brass o-ring type thing near the grip and its not on the other kit either. I just figured one was older than the other but maybe someone knows something I don't :nanaboo:
Anyway, heres the pics...
The SUOMI M-31
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCF07041.jpg
The wierd muzzlebrake thats not on the other SUOMI kit.
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCF07051.jpg

And now, the pride of my order, my PPSH-41. I love this thing !!!!!
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCF07011.jpg

[Shadow Walker]

Now if that picture doesn't make you want to buy a 80% receiver, a trunion, and built a semi-auto out of it then you aren't quite male.

Your parts kits looks like they might be new also. Now that is a good deal for the money.

I have got to get me another shop set up!

[GuntherPrien]

those kits look like they can be welded back together. It will take lots of work but to my eyes thay can be resurrected.

[Shadow Walker]

About 1 1/2 inches total are missing from the receiver. The biggest piece is where the rear trunion is destroyed. So even if you are a wizard with a TIG welder and can weld in thin strips of metal, you will still need a new trunion.

It will be much easier to acquire a 80% receiver blank and trunion, and go from there.

The cut at the front sight is totally un-necessory as it only has to be welded back, although the barrel will stick an additional 1/4 inch into the receiver.

I like to see the receiver pieces because they can serve as a aid in re-producing the necessary milling needed on the blank receiver. However, if you don't have the pieces, there is a how-to book out on how to make a PPSH-41 receiver.

Granted the receiver pieces can be used in the making of a semi-auto receiver by being welded in place on a new smaller diameter receiver tube. The smaller diameter receiver tube is a necessary item so an un-modified bolt can not be used.

If you go this route, the new tube only has to go to the rear of the new trunion. Welding on the receiver pieces makes it look like a normal PPSH-41 receiver, as well as serving as a guide for making the necessary cuts on the receiver tube. The gaps in the receiver pieces will have to be filled with something hard.

[GuntherPrien]

I have built my Soumi using some of its cut receiver. Its a nice display gun now, all the parts move as they should but I shaved the firing pin to make it non functional for nice display.

[C_Kassidy]

I have built my Soumi using some of its cut receiver. Its a nice display gun now, all the parts move as they should but I shaved the firing pin to make it non functional for nice display.
Are you sure thats a legal dummy build ? :later

If the BATFE can insert a original bolt into the tube and it goes bang with the happy switch... I can see some man sex in your future. I would definately check up on the legality on that build. Don't quote me on it, but I believe the barrel must be permantely plugged as well. I also don't think you are allowed to use the old receiver but I aint quite sure on that one. Best to check it out.

[GuntherPrien]

How can it go bang without a firing pin? Why are you guys buying these kits anyway? They are iligal if put together. Sten sells 80% tubes, all you have to do is cutout the tube and you get instructions with it and then what? You get iligal firearm if you put it together! It shows intent. Mine is non functional and you can't cock the piston back because I shaved the lip on it, so its always closed. No wonder why I haven't seen any of them put together, because they are iligal.

[C_Kassidy]

How can it go bang without a firing pin? Why are you guys buying these kits anyway? They are iligal if put together. Sten sells 80% tubes, all you have to do is cutout the tube and you get instructions with it and then what? You get iligal firearm if you put it together! It shows intent. Mine is non functional and you can't cock the piston back because I shaved the lip on it, so its always closed. No wonder why I haven't seen any of them put together, because they are iligal.
They are legal if built into a semi auto with a closed bolt design. You must use a reduced ID tube so the original bolt will not fit and you must also make sure the original full auto FCG will not fit either.
Most of these builds require extensive machine work to the bolt because they have to be adapted for use with a hammer.

I am buying my kits because of DEC 31st. I have no doubt that subgun kits will have the barrels cut. I am unclear on the AK's because WASR's are importable so I guess you could argue AK kits can be used for sporting purposes. I dunno but I do know there will be no explaining a subgun, lol.

[linx310]

How can it go bang without a firing pin? Why are you guys buying these kits anyway? They are iligal if put together. Sten sells 80% tubes, all you have to do is cutout the tube and you get instructions with it and then what? You get iligal firearm if you put it together! It shows intent. Mine is non functional and you can't cock the piston back because I shaved the lip on it, so its always closed. No wonder why I haven't seen any of them put together, because they are iligal.

Yes but if you take those modfied parts out and drop regular ones in the reciever will it fire?

It would be like buying a 80% AK flat...bending it together and drilling all holes (inlcuding the sear hole) but removing the gas piston and firing pin so it wont work. The reciever is the controlled item in the US and if it is the same as the real one then its a MG.

[C_Kassidy]

Yes but if you take those modfied parts out and drop regular ones in the reciever will it fire?

It would be like buying a 80% AK flat...bending it together and drilling all holes (inlcuding the sear hole) but removing the gas piston and firing pin so it wont work. The reciever is the controlled item in the US and if it is the same as the real one then its a MG.

Exactly, thats why I question the legality of his build.

[C_Kassidy]

Been doing some snooping around and it seems that the Suomi is a very doable build. It looks as if it will use one of the Prexis/Sten 80% receivers, Ar15 FCG, machined original bolt, the front and rear fillers from the old cut up receiver, and either a heat shroud extension with the barrel welded onto the receiver or a longer US made barrel that is awaiting ATF approval now. This is providing your cocking handle and spring were not cut up and if they were they will need to be fabricated or bought.

All in all, not too bad of a build. I figure for less than $500.00 total cost you can have a very nice 9mm carbine based on one of the greatest submachineguns ever made.
:big: :big:

I havent looked into the ppsh yet but from what I have seen it will be a bit more involved. I am kinda looking at building it the same way as the Suomi as far as the FCG and hopefully machining the bolt the same way. Who knows but the idea is very do-able.