Semi-Auto C&R Rifles

[Richard Simmons]

I've got a MAS 49/56 and my Yugo SKS. What else is available? I've looked at some FN49's (8mm) Hakims and SVT 40's. They all seem to be around $500 or so. Good CZ-52's don't seem to be too prevelant. What's hot?

[Dan44]

If you got the cash, a G43 would be nice. Of course M1 rifle and M1 carbine.

[Richard Simmons]

I've got a commercial M-1 Carbine but neither carbine nor the Garand are C&R.:(

[TheRifleman]

Niether is a Norinco SKS. Made in the 70's But Russian SKS are C&R.

How about a CZ52 in 7.65x45

[SHOOTER]

I like the VZ52/57. They seem to be a nice rifle. I just wish I could find extra mags for it. Theres a guy at the local gun show with a G43 but he wants $2000.00 for it. A little to much for me. Is the VZ52/57 a C&R rifle.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

WOW Shooter that looks pretty awesome....Did that comes before the SKS? or is that another countries version???
Thanks

[Richard Simmons]

Originally posted by TheRifleman
Niether is a Norinco SKS. Made in the 70's But Russian SKS are C&R.

How about a CZ52 in 7.65x45

I know the Norinco isn't C&R I must have had a Retard Embolism or something. As far as the CZ-52, where to find them? If Cuba ever opens up we could see a bunch in good shape unless they've been to Africa and back.

[SHOOTER]

1POM, I do not know that much about these rifles. I believe the Czech made them in the 50's. Mine is 7.62x39. You can tell the difference buy the mag. The VZ52 is 7.62x45 and the mag is straight on the bottom not at a angle. Mine is in new unfired condition with no importer markings on the gun.

[Richard Simmons]

Shooter was your's originally painted black?

[Gun Wielding Maniac]

The VZ-52 (note, never CZ-52. That is a pistol. The correct term is actually VZOR-52, but no one ever uses it) was produced from 1952 to 1957 in the Czech republic. It is a unique rifle design, made by the Czech people in defiance of the Soviet Union of which Czecheslovakia was a satelite state. The VZ-52/57 was a 7.62x39mm version of the VZ-52. Yes, it is a C&R rifle. The Romanian SKS are also C&R. On the Chinese SKS, the only reason it is not classified as C&R is because Ronald Reagan got a bug up his ass.

A really nice C&R to have would be a Swedish AG-42B 6.5x55mm semi auto. Talk about a sweet shooter!

[robd]

The USGI M1 carbine is indeed C&R as all were manufactured prior to 1951 (50 year rule).

Any M1 garand manufactured prior to 1951 is likewise a C&R weapon. This gives you C&R access to a lot of interesting garands.

[TheRifleman]

I was refering to the VZ52 not CZ....yeah brain fart...thats it. :D

How about a Johnson. You know, the brother of the M1 Garand? I saw one at the gun show a month ago and the guy wanted a fortune for it.

[SHOOTER]

RS, I bought the rifle from the orginal owner and that is how he got it.

[Richard Simmons]

Originally posted by Richard Simmons
I've got a commercial M-1 Carbine but neither carbine nor the Garand are C&R.:(

I stand corrected. From my 3/01 C&R List
"U.S., cal. .30 M1, original military issue only, produced prior to 1956."

I don't see the M1 Carbine although there is a listing for
"All original military bolt action and semiautomatic rifles mfd. between 1899 and 1946."

Does "Original Military Issue" still apply if it has been rebarreled? Same caliber just a new barrel.

[robd]

Richard S.

C&R's available to you and me basically fall into 2 categories...

Either they were manufactured at least 50 years ago (category 1 below)
OR
They are specifially on the list (category 3 below)

The M1 carbines aren't specifically named on the list for whatever reason, but every GI carbine is now > 50 years old, as production ceased at the end of WWII. Therefore they are all C&R by virtue of their age.

As to rebarreling, I'd call that a repair, not remanufacturing so my guess is that the carbine would still qualify. Certainly a good many carbines were reworked after the end of WWII and into the Korean war. I'd still think those qualified since they were originally manufactured in the 40's

Of course, as always, you take yer chances with the regs. You should convince yourself that what you're about to do is legal by studying and/or calling ATF (do this multiple times and average the answers!).


From the intro to the C&R List:

As set out in the regulations (27 CFR 178.11), curios or relics include firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

1.) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
2.) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
3.) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

[Richard Simmons]

Gunsamerica for $550