SHIT....looks like the new S12s have a little problem

[zzdroptop]

They have 17.2 inch barrels....thats alittle short.....what a fuck up. I have one on the way to my ffl but Im turning it around if it measures short. See the following thread. RAA:shiton:

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=9691

[imanaknut]

Keep your fingers crossed that yours is out of a different batch that was measured per that silly rule.

[NorthernFirepower]

Dumb question...how far back do you measure to? To the beginning between the barrel/trunion? Is the reciever stamped with a code for length? I'm pretty sure that the barrel on mine is fairlly long but I may be way out of line.
While we're on the legal topic...how long till the new US made 10 rounder mags that are in R&D are outlawed?

[imanaknut]

Barrel length is measured from the front of the closed bolt to the end of the barrel.

I really hope they have good lawyers and fight this stupidity!

[zzdroptop]

Here's the legal definitions that the BATFE goes by:

27CFR479-- PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS
Firearm. (a) A shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18
inches in length; (b) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as
modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or
barrels of less than 18 inches in length; © a rifle having a barrel or
barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (d) a weapon made from a rifle
if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches
or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (e) any other
weapon, as defined in this subpart; (f) a machine gun; (g) a muffler or
a silencer for any firearm whether or not such firearm is included
within this definition; and (h) a destructive device. The term shall not
include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machine gun or
destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Director
finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other
characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be
used as a weapon. For purposes of this definition, the length of the
barrel having an integral chamber(s) on a shotgun or rifle shall be
determined by measuring the distance between the muzzle and the face of
the bolt, breech, or breech block when closed and when the shotgun or
rifle is cocked. The overall length of a weapon made from a shotgun or
rifle is the distance between the extreme ends of the weapon measured
along a line parallel to the center line of the bore.

[imanaknut]

I find it amazing that they got all that from just the one line of the second amendment. Truly amazing.

[zzdroptop]

I find it amazing that they got all that from just the one line of the second amendment. Truly amazing.

I here ya brother. If mine does measure short my plan is to silver solder on this Tromix brake to bring the lenght up to the legal limit.(Ill be converting the gun as well with a compliance parts added)

http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=547/5162AKFlashHider-med.jpg

[AKTexas]

I heard today that there is a recall on all the new S12's.

[imanaknut]

It is too bad that ATF didn't try to win over some people like me and issue a one time deferment for the 17 inch barrel shotguns to allow them to stay in the country with no problems. Nope, they have to prove that they are the model that Hitler used for his SS and issue an order to recall and repair or else!!!

What about the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed do you not understand. According to US Senator Arlen Spector, with any law that is in opposition to the constitution, the constitution rules!!!!!

Why argue, the government threw out the constitution as the supreme law of the land a long time ago.

Sorry, rant off for now.