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McUZIxx
11-29-2001, 03:31 PM
Now before any of you rag on me for cutting up a C&R rifle, let me just say that I agree that for the most part C&R's should be left in thier original state.
But this particular project used a Spanish Destroyer Carbine that was in about 50% condition with a broken stock- so it wasn't exactly like I was bitchering a pristine gun ;)

Anyway, A while back, I read in a book about a weapon Millitary Armorment Corparation used to make out of a Spanish Destroyer Carbine. They shortened the BBL to about 8", inserted a 4MM chamber insert to convert the weapon from 9X32 to 9X19, and attached a supressor.
This was a highly effective silenced weapon with subsonic ammo, since there was no mechanical signature... The only noise it made was the "click" of the firing pin, and a "pfff" of the round.

Well, I liked the idea, so I decided to undertake making a similar gun.
Of course, mine has a 16.5" BBL (Shortened from 20") , and no supressor (yet)

http://wsphotofews.excite.com/034/Yb/UC/ss/hh17915.jpg

THe mods I did were this-

I muled the part of the original stock that housed the action with the pistol grip and telescoping wire stock from a M1 Carbine collapsable rig.

I ported the barrel with a porting jig I made

Removed the rear sight (This was a bitch)

I inserted a 4MM steel chamber insert to convert the gun to 9MM nato (This is what is seen in the pic. This gun has since been rebarreled to .45 ACP, and uses 1911 mags :) )

I shortened the fore end

I shimmed the trigger- This cleaned up the pull SUBSTANTIALLY from the insanely sloppy millitary pull. It is very easy to do, and yields a fine little triger pull

I attached the dot site in a scout configutration as seen in the pic. This has since been removed with the rebarreling- so I have to replace it.

I refinished the entire weapon with Brownells Teflon Bake-On finish. (Not seen in the pic- This was later. Once I had it rebarreled, the finish changed again, so I have to re-coat the barrel again :( )



All said and done, it is a super lightweight little carbine- SUPER small (It barely makes the legal limit for BBL legnth and OAL when collapsed) and VERY accurate. We were hitting a torso sized target with it using regular run of the mill Hirthenberger +P+ 127's. (It REALLY likes hot ammo, but it can still hit a man at 100 with regular CCI Blazers)

I REALLY love this little gun :D

I am hoping to supress it soon with a regular .45 MAC can and see how it does.

zouavexx
11-29-2001, 06:53 PM
Very interesting McUZI!

1 Patriot-of-many
11-29-2001, 08:24 PM
OH GOD my eyes......How you can turn an already ugly gun into a horrendously ugly one speaks volumes.... ;)
Very industrious of you,but frankly I think it's buttugly.

zouavexx
11-29-2001, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by 1 Patriot-of-many
OH GOD my eyes......How you can turn an already ugly gun into a horrendously ugly one speaks volumes.... ;)
Very industrious of you,but frankly I think it's buttugly.

1 Pat, you are sitting on the fence again. How do you really feel about the rifle?

McUZIxx
11-29-2001, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by 1 Patriot-of-many
Very industrious of you,but frankly I think it's buttugly.

People say the same thing about Glocks :p
And like Glocks, mine serves a purpose.
Backpacking carbine.
Compact as the law allows - Light Weight- decent range - Centerfire chambering-
It fits on my frame pack.
That's why I built it :)

WARWOLFx
11-29-2001, 09:01 PM
Like the .45 conversion. I'm assuming you had a gunsmith do it. Can you give us more info on that part of the project.

McUZIxx
11-29-2001, 09:27 PM
Yup.
He rebarreled it with a Montana Rifleman barrel, and opened up the bolt face to accomidate the new round. I believe the extractor was good to go.

Mags- It can take 1911 mags with a mag catch drilled in the back.
The dimensions of a 1911 mag and the original Destroyer mag are the exact same dimensions externally (With the exception of the feedlips of course)

With the conversion, it uses regular 1911 mags.

I also opened up the "feed ramp" a bit so it would feed JHP's without crashing into the ramp and getting stuck.

It is really nice since on my pack hikes I used to be stuck carrying a damn rifle.
I can just hook this to my pack, and have both my hands free... :D

ak74auto1
11-29-2001, 10:40 PM
where did you find the chamber inserts? please post info on where i can get some inserts myself. thanks:D :D :D

1 Patriot-of-many
11-30-2001, 12:18 AM
Ummm McUzi...Didn't you just build yourself an AW????

DOOOOH Never mind...Boltaction......Actually it kind of grows on you,though it's still uglier than a highpoint....:D

romarana
11-30-2001, 01:29 AM
McUzi that fucking rocks dude!!!!!!


Ok how did you change it to .45? I think I may give this a try.

where did you get the barrel.... How much?

I love playing with the mill surplus. I am building a 7.62X39 turk mauser right now.

romarana
11-30-2001, 01:33 AM
hehehe sorry also could you post a total picture of the gun standing up.

thors hammer
11-30-2001, 10:59 AM
nice weapon Mc Uzi
its similar to de Lisle carbine developed during wwII based on an enfield action it was a silenced 45 acp made for limited comando use.Now valkre arms makes a copy of it, I think.
I really like what you did with yours, very nice

Jakk
12-01-2001, 09:23 AM
Hey, where did you get the 4mm chamber insert?