Calibers available in the Saiga series,what would you like to see in the future?

[AKTexas]

There are limited number of choices to be had in the Saiga line.

Standard Saiga: Your choices are .223,7.62x39,and .308
Saiga 100: .308 and 30-06

That is only 5,but with the AK system almost an unlimited choice in calibers can be made.

I would like to see in the standard Saiga pattern,an 8MM,7.62x54R.How about a rim fire version for plinking?

As for the Saiga 100,I think a .243 and similar cartridges would be nice.

[lightning 351]

7.62x54r,7mm mag,8mm,300 mag,7.62x25 that took ppsh mags.

[agent_jwa]

i think it would be cool to have a bull barrel .17 hmr or mach2 that holds an insane number of rounds and i agree with the 7.62x54r and the 8mm cuz they are cheap to get, and also a 10 gauge 3.5''.

[Zoff12]

7.62x54r,7mm mag,8mm,300 mag,7.62x25 that took ppsh mags.
+1 for 8mm

How about a pistol caliber...9mm or .45. Use common mag types and have a little fun.

[AKTexas]

+1 for 8mm

How about a pistol caliber...9mm or .45. Use common mag types and have a little fun.

.45 would be nice use grease gun mags maybe,or how about the 5.7 but use stick mags or a drum?

[sniper_n_training]

+1 for 7.62x54r

There was a thread over at the Saiga-12.com forums discussing what was "in the works" or potentially in production as far as other SAIGA calibers. Some of it was just speculation and rumor, but some was actually pictured and shown (but not for the US Market, of course).

If I can find it, I will post a link.

[AKTexas]

+1 for 7.62x54r

There was a thread over at the Saiga-12.com forums discussing what was "in the works" or potentially in production as far as other SAIGA calibers. Some of it was just speculation and rumor, but some was actually pictured and shown (but not for the US Market, of course).

If I can find it, I will post a link.

The actual Iz site has a 9.3 rifle,I have never seen something like that.

[sniper_n_training]

The actual Iz site has a 9.3 rifle,I have never seen something like that.

Yeah, that was one of the calibers being discussed in the thread. People were talking about the pro's and con's of even owning one.
I would think it would be one of those saiga's a person would keep in "original sporting" setup and only convert it once more parts/mags/ammo/etc became available.

[steve465]

+1 for 7.62x54R and 9.3mm. Also a 9x19 or 9x18 carbine would make a great Bizon conversion base.

[StooperZero]

One in 8mm.

With a MG13 Mag conversion, 20" finned barrel.


I was going to build one like this but since theyre coming out with this new line it's kinda pointless to waste $$ on something that's already there (simple barrel machinig to fit trunion ECT: ) .


30-06 using a BAR mag conversion would rock too.

Nothin like a ghetto BAR.

[AKTexas]

One in 8mm.

With a MG13 Mag conversion, 20" finned barrel.


I was going to build one like this but since theyre coming out with this new line it's kinda pointless to waste $$ on something that's already there (simple barrel machinig to fit trunion ECT: ) .


30-06 using a BAR mag conversion would rock too.

Nothin like a ghetto BAR.

How common are the BAR mags?

[pit-sitter]

I'm with Zoff12 a 45 ACP would be kewl if they could make it work.

[06boblee]

BAR mags are almost a dime a dozen. A lot of them out there!

[Kyrinn]

+1 on x54

[Alexei]

.243 would be nice, but so would a 5.45mm long barrel.

[pvg_320]

44 remington magnum

I like the thought of launching 270 grain slugs out of an AK action :)

[AKTexas]

44 remington magnum

I like the thought of launching 270 grain slugs out of an AK action :)

LOL I would love to have 30+ rounds of .44 mag in an AK system.

[trouble]

ditto on 8mm with hi cap capability (mg-13 mag sounds good)
ditto 7.62x54r
ditto on 7.62x25 with ppsh sticks and maybe drums too!!

[tackalash]

7.62x54R
I don't understand why they don't sell the Dragunov here. Izhmash makes one with a sporter stock and they only take 10rnd. mags anyway. Perfectly suited for "sporting" purposes. Just have to clean it really well after shooting corrosive mil-surp.

They also make a .308 version of the Dragunov, now that would be sweet!

Correction: the rifle is actually called the "Tigr", but it's essentially the same as the Dragunov.

[snake54]

7.62x54r

[maccabbee]

i am totally down with all the rimfires especially the mach2. i would really like to see if the 6.5 swedish could be pulled off, such a fantastic do it all bullet.

[ak74auto]

.30 Carbine with the ability to take m-1 carbine mags , 7.62x25 with the ability ppsh mags , 30-06 with the ability to take bar mags.

[ninner]

Ten rounds of semi auto 45-70 would kick ass.

[AKMIKEFMJ]

.243 and 6.5 Grendel...... maybe .357 magnum for pistol caliber carbine.....

[ninner]

50 BMG w/ a 10 round clip. Basically a $500 Barret would be super cool.

[integratedj]

7.62x54R
I don't understand why they don't sell the Dragunov here. Izhmash makes one with a sporter stock and they only take 10rnd. mags anyway. Perfectly suited for "sporting" purposes. Just have to clean it really well after shooting corrosive mil-surp.

They also make a .308 version of the Dragunov, now that would be sweet!

Correction: the rifle is actually called the "Tigr", but it's essentially the same as the Dragunov.



It isn't imported because it is specifically named as a Banned item.
Sucks.

[SaAkR1]

I would enjoy seeing

.44 RM
.357 M
7.62 Nato
8mm
7.62x54r
9mm
.45ACP
10 gauge 3.5

[Armati]

Why 7.62x54R of course! The Saiga has a good mag. I am sure some good 10 rounders would be a lot cheaper than the currently available steel SVD mags.

I think most here would rather have a good 7.62x54R Saiga conversion over the low quality Romak or the pricey SVD.

At long range 7.62x54R heavy ball has the advantage over 7.62x51.

[ak264]

.35 whelen

[CornCod]

9mm
7.62X25
.45 ACP
.40 S&W
.30 Carbine
scaled down in .22 Magnum

[BattleRifleG3]

Ok, there's what you would "enjoy seeing" and what you would actually pay for or what you could actually build.

Saiga 30-06 is out. Supposedly a 270 and 243 version were coming but with the 30-06s sitting on distributors shelves, I don't see them coming in any time soon. If I were to guess on what the next available model would be, it would either be the 9x54R, which is ballistically probably between the 358 Win and 35 Whelen, or the 6.5x55 Swede, which is extremely popular in Europe and Africa.

I suspect that if you want to see an 8mm you'll have to rebarrel. An X54 version may happen, but not if people don't buy the 30-06. Figure this way, if Americans don't buy a rifle in the American 30-06, why would the Russians expect us to buy the same thing in a foreign cartridge that with factory ammo isn't any cheaper? I wouldn't want to run corrossive ammo in a gas system as open to the receiver as an AK.

I'm not sure how restricted handguns are in Russia, but I can't see them offering anything in a pistol caliber either. A US made rebarreling kit for an AK parts kit, now that's another story. perhaps come with a pistol cal receiver flat.

Regarding conversions, the Saiga 410 is designed for the same rim as a 45 Colt, 44 Rem Mag, and 444 Marlin. The bolt is strong enough for the 7.62x39mm. The 454 Casull is too high pressured, but 44 Rem Mag is a sure bet (for safety) and the 444 Marlin is about comparable for bolt thrust. Less than 30-06 and 7.62 NATO. The 44 Rem Mag would be difficult to find a mag for, but the 444 Marlin is close enough dimensionally that it should be able to feed from the same 410 mag.

And BTW, there is a major custom AK smith who is planning on just that, a 444 Marlin conversion for a Saiga 410.

[AKTexas]

Ok, there's what you would "enjoy seeing" and what you would actually pay for or what you could actually build.

Saiga 30-06 is out. Supposedly a 270 and 243 version were coming but with the 30-06s sitting on distributors shelves, I don't see them coming in any time soon. If I were to guess on what the next available model would be, it would either be the 9x54R, which is ballistically probably between the 358 Win and 35 Whelen, or the 6.5x55 Swede, which is extremely popular in Europe and Africa.

I suspect that if you want to see an 8mm you'll have to rebarrel. An X54 version may happen, but not if people don't buy the 30-06. Figure this way, if Americans don't buy a rifle in the American 30-06, why would the Russians expect us to buy the same thing in a foreign cartridge that with factory ammo isn't any cheaper? I wouldn't want to run corrossive ammo in a gas system as open to the receiver as an AK.

I'm not sure how restricted handguns are in Russia, but I can't see them offering anything in a pistol caliber either. A US made rebarreling kit for an AK parts kit, now that's another story. perhaps come with a pistol cal receiver flat.

Regarding conversions, the Saiga 410 is designed for the same rim as a 45 Colt, 44 Rem Mag, and 444 Marlin. The bolt is strong enough for the 7.62x39mm. The 454 Casull is too high pressured, but 44 Rem Mag is a sure bet (for safety) and the 444 Marlin is about comparable for bolt thrust. Less than 30-06 and 7.62 NATO. The 44 Rem Mag would be difficult to find a mag for, but the 444 Marlin is close enough dimensionally that it should be able to feed from the same 410 mag.

And BTW, there is a major custom AK smith who is planning on just that, a 444 Marlin conversion for a Saiga 410.


I would say Tromix is working this up?

[BattleRifleG3]

Bingo! :)

[edman99]

Another vote for the 5.45.

[williamthedog]

7.62x54r i would love one!

[sopmod]

I'd like to see a 300WSM and/or a 7mm WSM in a conventional S308-1 envelope since it is the same length as a 308 action.


I'd also like to see an even heavier barrel and that would mean that every weapon platform I have except 338 Lapua could be fielded in an AK variant instead :D

[BattleRifleG3]

I'm not sure the AK trunion can take the pressures of magnum rounds. The bolt and trunion had to be reinforced enough just to take full power 308 loads. (30-06 believe it or not operates on lower pressures.) The same way the 30-06 is as absolutely far as the AK action can be stretched, the 3 lug bolt of the S-308 and S-100 is as strong as they can make it without a major redesign.

If anything has the potential for a magnum conversion, in my opinion, it's the PSL.

[AKTexas]

With all the stock sets you have been making and now a new one for the S-100.When will we get a range report on the S-100 30-06?I want to know how it shoots with decent ammo before I lay down the cash and buy one.

[BattleRifleG3]

With all the stock sets you have been making and now a new one for the S-100.When will we get a range report on the S-100 30-06?I want to know how it shoots with decent ammo before I lay down the cash and buy one.
Weather up here isn't very good, which not only affects our ranges, but affects our responsibilities that keep us from the range. Plus, I have to say I'm not a very accurate open sited shooter. Any range report from me will focus on reliability. An accurate range report of accuracy will require a better shooter.

I'm surprised I'm the only one around who thinks this rifle is worth a leap of faith. Based on the reputation of the Saiga rifles, I would think lots of people would trust it enough to make an investment. As it is, most wholesalers don't believe there's enough demand to stock them.

With the success of the S-308, the strength is a non-issue since the 30-06 is actually lower pressured than the 308. I don't see any reason the accuracy would be worse than the S-308 either.

No BAR mags won't work. And no I can't promise that anyone will ever make hi-caps for it. Without an AW ban in place, you still can yourself - for now. Whatever the capacity, I would trust it at face value a lot more than a number of rifles people spend a lot more money on.

This isn't directed at anyone, just that it seems as though everyone is waiting for "someone else" to buy and test what they have asked for for a long time. If everyone is waiting for someone else, than this rifle will disappear from our market and will cost $2k in a year or two for those who wish they'd bought one for a quarter the price.

[AKTexas]

I'm known for leap of faith gun buys.These have mixed results for me.I had 2 AK pistols,sold off for bigger and better buys.I had a MPA 10/45 fun to shoot but heavy as an anchor.Had Century Cetme,reliable but not overly accurate rifle,traded it for a .308 Rem M700 VS.Sold off a Tec-22 and a .38 Derringer.Those would be my leap of faith type buys.My first S-308 was a leap of faith and sold me into getting a second one before any talk of hi-cap mags came into play.My post made me sound like I would not get one without knowing anything about the accuracy.If it does as well as the S-308 then why not get one?

I'm sold on the 30-06 S-100 and I'm willing to get one because one,it is a Saiga and two it is an AK to the core.Hi-cap is a non issue for me.Having it as a long range precision hunter would be my role for this rifle.If the rifle shoots a 2" group @100 yards with decent ammo and with open sights I'll be all over it in a hurry.

No one in my area has them so I'm going to have to get one from the internet dealers.I'd like to just have a little more insight as what I can look for when getting a new to everyone rifle.I would hope to mount a fairly decent optic on for hunting and one of your custom Drag style stocks.


Weather up here isn't very good, which not only affects our ranges, but affects our responsibilities that keep us from the range. Plus, I have to say I'm not a very accurate open sited shooter. Any range report from me will focus on reliability. An accurate range report of accuracy will require a better shooter.

I'm surprised I'm the only one around who thinks this rifle is worth a leap of faith. Based on the reputation of the Saiga rifles, I would think lots of people would trust it enough to make an investment. As it is, most wholesalers don't believe there's enough demand to stock them.

With the success of the S-308, the strength is a non-issue since the 30-06 is actually lower pressured than the 308. I don't see any reason the accuracy would be worse than the S-308 either.

No BAR mags won't work. And no I can't promise that anyone will ever make hi-caps for it. Without an AW ban in place, you still can yourself - for now. Whatever the capacity, I would trust it at face value a lot more than a number of rifles people spend a lot more money on.

This isn't directed at anyone, just that it seems as though everyone is waiting for "someone else" to buy and test what they have asked for for a long time. If everyone is waiting for someone else, than this rifle will disappear from our market and will cost $2k in a year or two for those who wish they'd bought one for a quarter the price.

[BattleRifleG3]

I can totally relate to patience and proceeding with caution. What I keep reading is now that these are out people keep saying they won't buy them until they have hi-caps or a milled receiver or some other extreme investment on the part of the manufacturer, who we can't expect to make any sort of investment until we take their current developments.

In other news, the weather in PA has taken a turn for the better. :)

[AKTexas]

I can totally relate to patience and proceeding with caution. What I keep reading is now that these are out people keep saying they won't buy them until they have hi-caps or a milled receiver or some other extreme investment on the part of the manufacturer, who we can't expect to make any sort of investment until we take their current developments.

In other news, the weather in PA has taken a turn for the better. :)

I only need one round to make a kill.A full blown conversion on this rifle is really not in a resonable price range.Not that the work is not worth the money I just can't spend that kind of cash on a full AKM conversion although I would be tempted if I had the extra to spend.

[Mike U.]

Man, I would be all over a 7.62x54R Saiga. I've been lusting after a semi-auto version since I shot my first Mosin round.

[Partisan1983]

+1 infinity and beyond, for a 54R.....

[BattleRifleG3]

Finally got a range report on the S-100.
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=15746

[solarAK]

I'll definately pick up a 30-06 Saiga if I ever come across one, without a doubt. Same for a x54.

Just for kicks, how about a scaled-up version chambered in .50 BMG?
:D

[BattleRifleG3]

S100s in 30-06 are at Armsofamerica. Not a lot of people know about them, so not a lot of dealers have them.

[AKguy1985]

I'd like to see a Saiga in 7.62X54R, 22 in barrel and 10 round mag, if not 20

[mil-collector]

50 BMG w/ a 10 round clip. Basically a $500 Barret would be super cool.

have to agree. .50-bmg would be fantastic. a refined version of the WW II anti-tank rifle ... ( was it the PTRD or PTRS ? can't recall which was the semi and which was the bolt....will have to log off and go look it up now, cause it's killing me...).

S... looks hauntingly like a massive SKS....

[BattleRifleG3]

If the 30-06 version costs $400 wholesale, I don't think a 50BMG will be $500.

[Dodging Bullets]

Another vote for 7.62X54R, with a 10 round magazine then maybe a 20 rnd. magazine down the road... :naughty:

[breastman]

I agree too, Any Saiga (standard or 100) in 7.62X54 would be very cool or maybe a Saiga 100 in 308 but with a 16 Inch Barrel and Hi-Viz Sights.

My 2 Cents.
Breastman.

[Ulyanovsk]

.221 fireball
.243 winchester
7.92 kurtz
8mm mauser
.220 swift
7.62x45 czech
then for shotgun well 10 might be a tiring shotgun after 3 shots put it away
as for these caliber choices that means new manufactured magazines for these callibers

then for the oddball calibers that means they need to manufacture them too
such as 7.62x45 czech and 7.92 kurtz might be expensive to produce but you have a choice right so choose your caliber

[English Kenny]

There is a proper Dragunov SVD made for the uk market ( we also have the tigr ) it comes in 7.62X54 R and WINCHESTER 308. This model comes with full length barrel, correct muzzle brake, dedicated bipod and is much smoother to shoot than the tigr.
There is also the paratrooper svd with 22inch barrel and folding stock and m16 type muzzle brake. The only problem is in the U.K we can not use semi / full auto guns. So this is a straightpull action (single shot).