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BUSHFAN
09-07-2000, 11:54 PM
I have a Saiga conversion that was done by D.G.S. in Florida, this rifle is in pretty bad shape. It is a Saiga hunting carbine in 7.62x39 that has been converted into an AK-103 configuration http://club.guns.ru/eng/ak100/ak103.htm
using US polymer furniture with an AK-74 sight base and muzzle brake. The hardest part of this conversion is relocating the trigger and installing the pistol grip and this is where most of the problems are (in the lower receiver area). Well the problems with this rifle are clear and numerous after detail stripping I've found:

-the bottom of the receiver was not refinished, they used some kind of cheap paint, I removed it while using brake cleaner to degrease the receiver which had a heavy amount of oil everywhere, this paint was also used to cover up the areas on the barrel around the gas block and muzzle brake and under the handguards revealing several areas where the factory finish was taken off.

-the aft part of the trigger guard was brazed onto the bottom of the receiver and the front of the trigger guard was brazed onto the aft part of the mag release housing and these welds were done very poorly, a lot off weld slag was left and it was installed crooked.....while attempting to straighten the trigger guard I broke both welds, luckily the welds were so poor they broke cleanly in both places.

-there are two holes in aft part of the receiver that had apparently been for the old trigger and hammer pins, the were left, rather than fill these holes and grind smooth they installed rivets, poor fitting ones.

-the muzzle brake was brazed to the sight base but this was a poor weld with a deep dimple in the middle and slag running down the sides of the sight base.

-the forward cleaning rod support was brazed onto the bottom of the gas block, but the welder nearly burned through one side of the cleaning rod support leaving a very small portion attached to the gas block, this needs to be built back up then ground smooth.

I like the Idea of having a Russian receiver built into this configuration, but if anyone decides to purchase one of these rifles realize you're buying an 80% complete project.


Now can anyone recommend a gunsmith to fix all of these problems, Thanks.


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Tantal
09-08-2000, 12:22 AM
Two companies make these, one is 600 buck plus (Krebs) and the other is the one you have bought. I really appreciate the review, I had not seen these rifles yet. I now know the quality of the rifle thanks to you. It sounds like there are serious quality control problems (or lack of) here. I think a garage hack could do better.

BUSHFAN
09-08-2000, 12:26 AM
Tantal,

Can you recommend a good gunsmith to finish this rifle?

SouthernShark
09-08-2000, 12:43 AM
Well I bought an AK-103 from D.G.S. also. I will agree that the paint job is lackluster.

But, I am drawing the line there. I don't see these other problems that I have heard about. None of the parts on mine were flimsy and certainly none of them broke off. I fired 200 rounds to day at the range, and it performed fine. It didn't perform like a Remington .308, rather it shot like an AK-47, which should be what any sensible person expected.

As to the paint job, I can live with it. I am pretty rough on my assault rifles, so I never expected the paint job to last anyway. If you want a collector piece, pay more and buy a Bulgarian, then put it in your closet. But if you just want to blast a few thousand rounds (like me) then I think the 103 performs fine.

As to the weld, I was actually quite impressed by it. I don't see any major problems.

-SouthernShark

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jscor
09-08-2000, 01:38 AM
Yeah-- send it back -- I believe it should be under warranty -- if you got thru Williams and Sons -- I'm still waiting on mine -- and if it has any of the problems you described it's going back immediately for "full refund" (well ok, at least to be fixed) -- they may look nice - but if they perform for crap they're not worth the "sweat shop kid" who must've assembled -
not a very good way for this DGS guy to make a name for himself ----- hell ,, I'd rather wait a month or two longer to get a good , quality weapon made then have immediate (also short lived) satisfaction of getting the AK so quick -- sounds like these things are being slapped together like a Yugo - with no attention to detail -- that's too bad.

SouthernShark
09-08-2000, 02:17 AM
Jscor-

Let me know how yours turns out. My email is southernshark1@telocity.com (and its in my profile). I don't plan on sending mine back, unless some part malfunctions. I am taking to a smith this weekend and he will examine it. But I don't really expect any problems.


-SouthernShark

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Pro2Am
09-08-2000, 06:25 AM
BUSHFAN (and the rest of you folks),

Ouch! Sounds like you got an "ugly duckling" there! I can't comment on the percentage of these rifles that may suffer from poor workmanship, but I can comment on my copy.
I ordered it about 2 weeks ago from Dave Austin of L.A. Austin, Surprise, AZ, and took delivery of it Monday. Upon examination I see very clean welds and no splatter inside or out (the interior of the receiver is spotless). The only glitches I observe (and they're minor) are 1) what appear to be 2 plugged holes on the bottom of the receiver (fore and aft of the trigger/grip assemblies) that could've been ground a tad more flush with the metal, and 2) the muzzle brake is about 1/16" off top dead center (rotated slightly to the left when viewed from the rear). Otherwise the rifle looks just fine.
I should have it out to the range this weekend to test fire. If it performs as good as my MAK-90s, I'm sold. http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif
I hate to see anyone get a "lemon", whether mechanically or strcturally/visually. Hopefully yours is the exception rathe than the rule. By all means contact the dealer and ask for repair or replacement. And let us know what happens.

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Mike R.