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pro2nd
12-17-2001, 11:55 PM
I always get confused on this and I would like to know for sure what ones are C&R pistols.:confused:
TheBigCA2x
12-18-2001, 12:31 AM
Makarov, pistol, Russian and East German, caliber 9mm Makarov.

:cool:
dmzx
12-18-2001, 12:35 AM
I heard a rumor (or maybe not) about mak rounds going right through kevlar vests or something. Any truth to this?
yasnevo
12-18-2001, 12:51 AM
Not unless the shootee is wearing a t-shirt.

There is another pistol called the PSM...super thin pistol that fires the 5.45x18 necked cartridge...

http://www.milparade.com/1996/18/46-47.htm

I have handled them in Russia but I have never had the opportunity to fire one. I know that they no where come near to making points for importation into the USA. But, you can buy them in Germany from Frankonia.

Yasnevo
Sesh
12-18-2001, 12:21 PM
A friend told me recently that he had seen on the C&R listserver that Bulgarians had just been added. Can anyone else verify that?
TheBigCA2x
12-18-2001, 02:27 PM
No. But do you think BATF keeps their listing up to date? I don't know. My post above is a cut and paste directly from BATF's curio and relic list.
pro2nd
12-19-2001, 01:04 AM
sure would be nice if the bulies were added
Schuetzenman
12-19-2001, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by dmz
I heard a rumor (or maybe not) about mak rounds going right through kevlar vests or something. Any truth to this?

Not this whimpy caliber! :rolleyes:

OTOH a CZ52 in 7.62 X 25 will zip through Class III body armor because the bullet is small, FMJ and going about 1700 fps. :eek:
Sesh
12-19-2001, 09:38 AM
I asked my friend who told me the Bulgarians were added for the source. He had gotten a link from the C&R listserver. It was a letter on the ATF site listing a few new additions to the list. If true, it will probably take a while for the web page with the main list to be updated and until that happens dealers probably won't know either. I asked him to try and find the link again and if he can I'll post it here.
Ezra Coli
12-19-2001, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by dmz
I heard a rumor (or maybe not) about mak rounds going right through kevlar vests or something. Any truth to this?

Huh? If a .380 will go through something, so will the Mak, if a standard 9mm will puncture something, the Mak will go through most of it but not always.

.380=9x17 (or 16, I donb't recall)
Makarov=9x18
9mm Parabellum/Luger= 9x19
pro2nd
12-19-2001, 03:22 PM
please let us know about the bulgies that would be kick ass if they were added