8mm ammo, whats good ?

[JES AR15]

or does it make a difference ? cdnn has Yugo 8mm for $40 = 375 rds. good deal ?

[bars full auto]

Avoid 1947 Turkish as it has bad brass.

[The Fourth Horseman]

Originally posted by JES AR15
or does it make a difference ? cdnn has Yugo 8mm for $40 = 375 rds. good deal ?

I have some turk 1945 I still need to test...most dates are fine

Jes? Did you get a Mauser and not tell us?

[JES AR15]

yeah, i ordered a $169 one from cdnn. i'll hopefully have it friday.
if this yugo ammo is ok i can call them in the morning and have it added to my order and maybe get free shipping on it.

cdnn shipping = order one thing or 100 things, same shipping cost.

[scottsw1]

Century usually has Turk ammo on special every couple of months. I bought 1050 rounds for $60 delivered! The ammo is corrosive, but it functions just fine in my M48a and my 2 turks.

[Templarx]

The Yugo ammo is great stuff. It was more accurate out of my M48 than new production S&B Czech FMJ.

I will post "Templar's Rule on Surplus Ammo", NON PC version.

I shoot surplus ammo almost exclusively, but I have formulated a rule that keeps all my digits intact and my rifles and pistols happy.

Templar's Rule:

I DO NOT SHOOT AMMUNITION FROM COUNTRIES THAT PISS IN THEIR OWN DRINKING WATER :D

That means, no Ecuadoran, Guatemalan, Chilean, Indian, Pakistani, Syrian, Egyptian, Turkish, or most any ammo from a "Third World" supplier. Now there are certainly amendments to the Rule. Brazil, Malaysia, Singapore, China, and Russia aren't what we'd call First World, but they do have very advanced military industrial complexes that are experienced in turning out quality ammo.

I also avoid SURPLUS Israeli ammo. THe Israeli's don't surplus ANYTHING out unless it is of absolutely no use to them anymore. I still have scars on my hand from a bad lot of TZ80 7.62x51mm that blew up a civvie legal Class 3 M60 that I was firing. It went KABOOM.

NEW Israeli ammo is excellent stuff.

I'll include NEW production South African in the "piss in drinking water" category, although military ammo form the 70's, 80's, and early 90's is excellent, and I shoot the SA surplus 5.56mm almost exclusively. Currently, the South Africans are having some serious QC problems, among other things.

Be a little wary of the new Greek "Olympic" brand....I've seen crumpled cases out of the box. Bad QC again. Surplus .303 Greek is excellent though.

Venezula makes excellent 7x57mm and OK 7.62x51mm, as long as you don't shoot it in a Vorgrimmler type rifle like a HK or CETME.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll upset a few people with my Rule, but it has honestly kept me out of trouble, except for that one batch of Izzy ammo.

Buy the Yugo ammo, those people have great experience in making things that go bang. ;)

[zouavexx]

JES,

The Turk ammo is too light for the K98. Stick with the Yugo.

[Schuetzenman]

Yugo 8 mm or Romanian or German is the best for the M48 series and K98k rifles.

For Turk 38's the Turk ammo is correct for the sights on the rifles.

Only problem with Yugo 8 mm is that some of it has very deep primer pockets and hard primers. So if you have a short firing pin or a weak spring or a combination of the two attributes together you can have a lot of no fires on the first hit. In almost all cases I find any round that didn't go off the first time will go off if hit a second time.

I find the Ecuadorian to be similar but to an even greater degree on hard primers. Not as accurate either but it is the correct bullet weight for the M48 and K98k's.

[JES AR15]

well you guys must really like confusing me more than i allready am ! :D

thanx for the good info

btw. how much does a h/s field guage go for and where ?

[Schuetzenman]

Try Brownell's in Montezuma Iowa for the head space gauges. Price is in the mid $20's each.

[Richard Simmons]

Originally posted by Schuetzenman
Yugo 8 mm or Romanian or German is the best for the M48 series and K98k rifles.

For Turk 38's the Turk ammo is correct for the sights on the rifles.

Only problem with Yugo 8 mm is that some of it has very deep primer pockets and hard primers. So if you have a short firing pin or a weak spring or a combination of the two attributes together you can have a lot of no fires on the first hit. In almost all cases I find any round that didn't go off the first time will go off if hit a second time.

I find the Ecuadorian to be similar but to an even greater degree on hard primers. Not as accurate either but it is the correct bullet weight for the M48 and K98k's.

I was wondering about this last night. My understanding is that in 1905 the standard 8x57 round was changed to the S-Patrone, .323 @ 154gr instead of the 225gr. Why would anyone in 1940's make a rifle such as the M-48/48A that uses a 196gr bullet? I have read reports that the M48 has a minimum sight setting of 200yds and the heavier bullets will shoot to POA at 100yds. Wasn't the 196gr bullet, I believe they are designated SS, meant for HMG? In my Rifles Of The World it lists most 8mm rifles, M48, K98, VZ24 as having a muzzle velocity of around 2755 with a full length barrel. Isn't this in the ball park of the 154gr Turk ammo. Just wondering.

[The Fourth Horseman]

Originally posted by Richard Simmons


I was wondering about this last night. My understanding is that in 1905 the standard 8x57 round was changed to the S-Patrone, .323 @ 154gr instead of the 225gr. Why would anyone in 1940's make a rifle such as the M-48/48A that uses a 196gr bullet? I have read reports that the M48 has a minimum sight setting of 200yds and the heavier bullets will shoot to POA at 100yds. Wasn't the 196gr bullet, I believe they are designated SS, meant for HMG? In my Rifles Of The World it lists most 8mm rifles, M48, K98, VZ24 as having a muzzle velocity of around 2755 with a full length barrel. Isn't this in the ball park of the 154gr Turk ammo. Just wondering.

Found this info:

Specifications for the S-patrone call for a jacketed spitzer bullet of .323"
diameter and 154 grain weight at a muzzle velocity of 2,936 fps, with a
maximum pressure of 44,082 psi.

During World War One, it was found that the S-Patrone did not possess the
range of the French Balle-D round, and was therefore not as good for long
range machine gun fire. To alleviate this tactical disadvantage, the Germans
developed a new 7,9mm cartridge with a 198 grain .323" bullet that was a
boat-tailed spitzer. Since this cartridge used a heavier bullet than the
S-Patrone, it was christened the sS-Patrone (sS for schweres Spitzgeschoss:
heavy pointed bullet). Shortly prior to World War Two, the S-Patrone was
discontinued in favor of standardization on the sS-Patrone. The sS Patrone of
.323" diameter and 198grain weight then, became the standard fodder for the
K98k rifles of the Wehrmacht and all the K98k style carbines that followed, to
include the Yugo M48's and the Yugo reconditioned K98k's (which are German
rifles to begin with anyway!).

The sS-Patrone fired a .323" bullet of 198 grains at a muzzle velocity of
2,575 fps with a maximum chamber pressure of 46,926 psi.

Now that was Germany, other countries did not have to standardize on the heavier round. Yugo 8mm is standard 198 gr I believe

Turk stuff has been clocked around the 2900-3000fps range as far as I have seen

[Richard Simmons]

Excellent info 4th H. I guess I had some of the puzzle just not all of it. If the Turk is that high in velocity then that would explain the recoil I've noticed in my Mausers. The 198 should be pretty healthy with the heavier bullet. The long barrel on my Persian should really get the most velocity out of it. Wonder if the Persian was made for the heavier round or the Turk since they are so close geographically?