russian ak-103's for sale

[backblast]

I was talking to Don a month or so ago (the guy who does the work) and was anticipating their release. Glad they finally found a distributor. Am interested in seeing a pic of these. Might be one for me in the future. cya

[CAMPYBOB]

just got a flyer (probably old news to some of you) from l.a. austin in arizona. they are selling converted saiga's (work performed by g.g.s. manufacturing in florida) for $425 dealer / $499 retail. neither firm lists a web address. rifle looks good in the picture...but the front of the cleaning rod is not captured. available in 7.62, .308 ans .223. also available in three bbl. lengths...16.5, 18 and 20.

l.a. austin ph. no.: 623-584-5016
d.g.s. ph. no.: 941-334-4231

[CAMPYBOB]

i wonder how similar they are to the "krebs" version.

[rob levy]

Check out the work DONS gun Shop did on my MAK-90 in the NORINCO section.

By the way, DON is a Class 3 Manu. He can build, own, or shoot ANY gun out there. ASK him what type of gun is his favorite....or what 1 gun would he grab...I BET he would say his AK. HE LOVES AK's; & thats the type of guy I want building my AK's.

Rob Levy

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[steaklover]

CampyBob,

If possible, can you please post some pics (even from flyer is okay) for all of us? You know, an high quality AK with choices of caliber for less than $500 always make people's mouth watering. Besides, can you post more info, like what kind of mags do .223 and .308 variants take...etc.

Thanks,

[CAMPYBOB]

steaklover, sorry...i do not have a scanner or i would gladly post it for you.

rifles are shipped with one 10 rd. mag, sling, cleaning kit and rod, owner's manual and side plate for scope mounting.

order phone no. is 623-584-5016 (l.a. austin / dave austin).

sorry i do not know more about these folks or theit firearms...but the deal sounds a lot cheaper than the similar "krebs" ak's. i was just trying to pass along this info...i'ld pick up the phone and ask the builder/seller all these questions. looks legit, to me. good luck to all.

[backblast]

Yep, I'd say it is legit. All they are doing is replacing parts. That is all. No accurizing like Kreb's did. I am contemplating one of Don's guns seriously. For that price, you can't go wrong. Will wait for more info.

[Ekie]

I called both numbers today. Got a answering machine at both.

[steaklover]

Campy,

Thanks for these answers. g.g.s manufacturing is probably not that far from my place. I would love to see any of their product if get a chance.

[rob levy]

What is accurizing on an AK ? If Im not mistaken, Dons are based on the siaga rifles...A TRUE, and the ONLY RUSSIAN AK-74 Reciever in the USA. Check for the little bump on the bottom.....its a '74 reciever....EVEN says MADE IN RUSSIA on the side.

Do you think Krebs does anything different ?
If so, Please tell me what it is. I will let the world know.

thanks,
rob levy

[backblast]

Hi Rob, I'm not sure what Mark Kreb does, but I do know he is a perfectionist. This is the best shooting AK I have ever shot. Tho I cannot claim to be an expert, I think I have some knowledge in the department. This one shoots 4" @ 225m. Now I may have gotten one that can actually shoot, I don't know, but it shows signs of fitting and polishing around the bolt face and trunnion. Have talked to those who have worked for him and they have told me he is a wonder of a smith. He is famous for his .45 race pistols. But is love is assault rifles, especially the HK's. I am very pleased with this one. And yes, his are all Saiga rifles also. cya

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[zanjero]

I am new to Saiga and wondering why the excitement of converting Saiga to AK look.
I think I read that Saiga is an AK-74 action? I dont get it hahaha. Anyone please?

[SouthernShark]

I am contemplating buying one of these Saiga conversions from d.g.s. I am meeting with a man who is selling some this weekend at a local gun show? I wonder though, if it would fire or perform any better than a Saiga. Other than cosmetics, is there any point in this design?

-SouthernShark

[Pro2Am]

Friends,

Here's the scoop on these Ak-103's (taken right from the D.G.S. flyer):

"D.G.S. is an experienced Class II firearm manufacturer, and is proud to present to you the AK-103...D.G.S. has reconfigured the (Saiga hunting) rifle to the exact specifications of the Izhmash AK-103. This is designed by by using U.S. made AK-100 polymer stock sets, muzzle brake, and trigger components. Each rifle will accept all 7.62x39 magazines without additional followers and floor plates. The AK-103 is BATF approved, so for the first time in the United States you can own an Izhmash Russian AK-103 in semi-automatic."
"The rifle is essentially a modernized and improved AKM."
"In the past. other AK's on the market have had the old gas system which was, in fact, excellent. The AK-103 has the improved gas system, making it superior."

I don't know, but it sounds pretty good to me. I should have my order placed within the next couple of days (gotta get one before they're sold out). Dave and Pete Thomson of Kalash USA say that the rifles are currently available in 7.62 and .308, but not yet in .223. How long the wait ofr these will be is unknown at this time.
Hope this helps!



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Mike R.

[CAMPYBOB]

yeah...i bummed out big time when i saw that no 5.45 rifle was even planned. a .223 ak? no thank you. an ak-100 series in 7.62? huh??? .308? huh??????????

[CAMPYBOB]

mildot...the gas system is "improved" by the timing of the now round, vertical (as oppossed to angled and eliptical intersecting at land and groove) gas tap hole that is timed to intersect only a groove bottom. this will benefit only the .223 cal. rifle by helping to eliminate bullet shear (it was designed for the 5.45 round).

ak-100 series furniture is accurate...russians sold the same setup (fixed stock) as the bulgarians.

i agree that this rifle is not a "real" ak-103. we all know it's just a saiga dressed up to sell. we all know it ain't a select fire (we WISH!). but for the $450-500...it may just make somebody happy.

[recon]

How do we get a flyer? Or do you have to be a dealer?

[Mr. Spock]

Shotgun News, August 20 issue, p. 148 upper right. Kalishnikov USA has them advertised for $495.


Phone: 800.784.5577


Email:weapons@weapons-russian.com

[recon]

I want one! How do we get a catalog?

[recon]

I wonder how this plays out with the suppose ban? Hope the price doesn`t go up!

[Pro2Am]

Valmet,

According to the flyer, the "official" title for this rifle is the Saiga II AK-103. They're standard Saiga rifles imported by Kalahnikov USA. Then they're sent to D.G.S. Manufacturing to be modifed. Then on to whichever distributor/dealer gets an order. I'm getting mine from Dave Austin of L.A. Austin, Surprise, AZ. He's the only one I know of at the time from whom these can be purchased.
From what Dave told me the 7.62 version is currently available, the .308 version will be in about a month, and the .223 - uncertain.

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Mike R.

[ValmetM76]

Well cool, who has a picture of these things besides Backblast? Or do they all look just like his?

$425 dealer? If they are ALL NEW PARTS, that's a DEAL BABY!

Regards,
Mike

[CAMPYBOB]

mildot...how about naming the rifle the "almost, nearly, could be mistaken for, wannabee, close as yer gonna get, dimpleless, almalgomation of 100 series parts, saiga hunting, sporting, not an assault rifle"???

too unwieldy???

[backblast]

Valmet M76, these rifles, Saiga II 103, are full size AK's. The Kreb's is more in line with the 104's. cya

[recon]

104`s? I need info?

[EgyptianMaadi]

My brain hurts.

Which AK is the one I saw on the History Channel that has a muzzle that recoils back like an artillery piece?

Can someone give me the lowdown on the AK's past the 74, or better yet, a good link?

I'm embarrassed.

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How dull it is to pause, to make an end,
To rust unburnished, not to shine in use!

[AK-fan*]

EgyptianMaadi,

The gun that you saw with that barrel is the AN-94. It's a different design than the AK designed by a different person. for more info http://club.guns.ru/eng/abakan.html

For more info on the Russian 100 series AK's go to http://club.guns.ru/eng/ak100.htm

the main website is http://club.guns.ru/

Hope this helps guys

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[recon]

At $425 I`am going to have to call these guys and find out more. Also since there might be a ban on parts see if this affects future plans!