Militia Movement In The United States

[Lambo]

They were extremely active
http://www.michiganmilitia.com/snowdogBAteam.jpg (http://www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/field_reports/2007/feb007/sno_dawg_info.htm)
back in the days during the Bubba Administration. When Obama lands the White House or by accident Amigo McClown will we see
http://www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/field_reports/2007/sept007/preop_lineup.jpg
a vibrant new beginning of the American Freedom Fighters?

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/ (http://www.michiganmilitia.com/)

http://awrm.org/ (http://awrm.org/)

http://kissata.homestead.com/ (http://kissata.homestead.com/)

http://tallgrassguard.tripod.com/ (http://tallgrassguard.tripod.com/)

http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/ (http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/)

http://mpna.com/swoum/ (http://mpna.com/swoum/)

http://www.empirestatemilitia.org/ (http://www.empirestatemilitia.org/)

http://www.americanminuteman.net/forums/index.php (http://www.americanminuteman.net/forums/index.php)

[Lysander]

...or modern day Walter Mitty's and cannon fodder?

You be the judge. (http://nonpartypolitics.blogspot.com/2007/09/100-to-1-kill-ratio.html)[/u]

[crapshoot]

...or modern day Walter Mitty's and cannon fodder?

You be the judge. (http://nonpartypolitics.blogspot.com/2007/09/100-to-1-kill-ratio.html)[/u]
So are you trying to say that the fine men and women of the American armed forces would be glad to kill American citizens for exercising their constitutional rights?

[USMCguysAK47]

I've been wanting to start my own type of Militia group in VA but in the area im in has one and they say its operational but they wont get in touch with me after contacting them a few times. I think I got one email and thats it. I guess when and if the shit hits the fan Im on my own. We will see things get worse in our country for sure soon enough.

[Lysander]

So are you trying to say that the fine men and women of the American armed forces would be glad to kill American citizens for exercising their constitutional rights?

I'm saying it would never come to that, and that these "militia men" against even a mediocre modern force, with no outside source of supply and funds, would be so many sheep to the slaughter.

I'm sure they'd be more than happy to kill "home grown terrorists", however. Do some historical research Crappy, they've helped inter American civilians during 2 World Wars, were at Waco, and helped go door to door in NOLA confiscating weapons.

While I'm sure a good number MIGHT refuse their orders, enough would follow them to offset any potential gains.

[FTF]

I'm saying it would never come to that, and that these "militia men" against even a mediocre modern force, with no outside source of supply and funds, would be so many sheep to the slaughter.

I'm sure they'd be more than happy to kill "home grown terrorists", however. Do some historical research Crappy, they've helped inter American civilians during 2 World Wars, were at Waco, and helped go door to door in NOLA confiscating weapons.

While I'm sure a good number MIGHT refuse their orders, enough would follow them to offset any potential gains.

The reality you lay out is so very true. And it has been embraced by most of the "Militia" folks out there, and there are lots of them out there. When the "Constitutional Militias" rose during the Clinton Regime in the 90s, they were structured as larger groups of semi organized like minded individuals. Anyone was welcomed as a new member and the whole thing was more of a political type movement than anything else. However, there was a decided Martial Aspect to almost all of them, wherein numerically significant combat type units were organized and trained etc. Federal Law Enforcement of course, infiltrated all the "Militias" and proceeded to destroy them, by whatever methods required. In most cases if the Feds couldn't find any willfull law breaking going on, they simply acted as "Agent Provocatures" to get something going that was illegal. Pretty standard method of operation. The reaction was, for the "Organized Militias" to disband, morphing into thousands of 1 to 5 man, cells if you will. In this configuration, only family members or life long friends etc. are allowed to know anything etc. So LE's standard operational methods are no longer of any use. Along with this logistical change, came a decided strategic change of their tactical doctrine. The "Militias" won't be engaging in the traditional style, set place battles against the Military. The coming festivities will most likely be a curious Americanized blend, of the IRA in Northern Ireland and the D.C. Snipers. The IRA, mostly wild eyed communists on a mission from GOD, fought the British Army to a standstill for 55 years. The number of "Active" IRA operators was never more than 200 at any given time. Not to mention that they were isolated on a Island, under supposedly firm control of their opposition. The two ding dongs in D.C. would still be shooting at will today, if they hadn't tried to get their payoff, and captured themselves in the process. Both of these did infact acheive their intended goals. The IRA got it's place in the Government and the D.C. Flakes brought the entire area to a standstill, very nearly precipitating a regional economic collapse. The "Illusion of Invincibility" is the cornerstone of all Governmental Authority and has always been. Throughout recorded history no Government has ever come to power nor stayed in power where 12 percent or more of the people to be governed have actively resisted it. In the United States it would require a Military Force greater than all the armies on the planet to secure it, and even then they would only control the major cities and to some degree the borders. The economic requirements to deal with a serious insurgency are beyond comprehension, armies run on money, and lots of it. Take a look at Iraq and Afganistan, about the size of two U.S. States, not enough men, not enough equipment, we can't even produce/buy enough small arms ammo to keep them going. Suffice it to say, when/if this ball starts rolling, the term Asymetrical Warfare will have a whole new meaning!!

Truly will be interesting as it unfolds, not sure whether I want to live long enough to see it, or hope I'm dead before the flag goes up!! :)

Thanks,
Emory Jones

[Zane Zackerly]

The militia movement was big in the 1990's. There was a lot of talk that it might force a legal confrontation if the liberals ever decided to pass a sweeping ban on the right to bear arms. It was thought that the "militia" statement in the Second Amendment might be the loophole that allowed citizens to keep their guns.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, the entire movement fell into disrepute. Rightly or wrongly, the whole movement has become so associated with racists and nut cases that it is now useless as anything other than a way to "red flag" the alphabet soup boys that they need to watch you.

The recent DC v. Heller decision has further eroded the need for so-called "militias".

So, have fun dressing in camos and running around in the woods if that turns your crank, but don't be a fool and call yourselves a "militia".

The need for civilian SHTF forces could still be viable, however... :cupjoe:

[Old Grump]

We are the militia, the militia was acknowledged to be able bodied citizens charged with defending themselves from tyranny. Liberals argue that we have a standing army to defend ourselves from outside powers but that isn't the way I read it. Tyranny can be domestic or foreign. When a Charles Daley stands on his hindlegs and declares the people have no right to bear arms for self defense that is tyranny. England is over due for a revolution and we are fast approaching that point. Blue jean wearing beer drinking guys who like to walk around the woods and shoot guns will be the armed militia and everybody who stays home and doesn't vote because they won't make a difference with their ballot are the fodder that tyranny depends on for its existence. Only apathy can allow a tyranny to exist. Us militia types will be voting and our guns will be clean and our ammo boxes handy. Ballots rather than bullets but bullets if we must.

[mil-collector]

Ballots rather than bullets but bullets if we must.


the Armalite and the ballot box.

[ChrisVV]

A vet I know who is now LEO and his friend he served with in Iraq, who is LEO as well have made some comments to me that have made me cringe. I believe that if they are made to believe that what they are doing is for the good of the country they would go right along with any order given. Keep in mind and no disrespect to any soldier, but a majority of them only think of the words "constitution" and "bill of rights" as slogans. I recently gave my brother and his friend (the two guys I am talking about) pocket constitutions and they just looked at me like, "why do I need this".

Sure they wouldnt shoot me, or round up their own parents (google "The Last Roundup By Christopher Ketcham" )

But at what point will they realize that it is wrong? How much damage will have been done at that point?

[GunHack]

We are the militia... Ballots rather than bullets but bullets if we must.


Great post, OG... spot on... thanks..!

[KoldWarKid]

the Armalite and the ballot box.


The Kalashnikov and the ballot box. :ssg1:

[napalm281]

A vet I know who is now LEO and his friend he served with in Iraq, who is LEO as well have made some comments to me that have made me cringe. I believe that if they are made to believe that what they are doing is for the good of the country they would go right along with any order given. Keep in mind and no disrespect to any soldier, but a majority of them only think of the words "constitution" and "bill of rights" as slogans. I recently gave my brother and his friend (the two guys I am talking about) pocket constitutions and they just looked at me like, "why do I need this".

Sure they wouldnt shoot me, or round up their own parents (google "The Last Roundup By Christopher Ketcham" )

But at what point will they realize that it is wrong? How much damage will have been done at that point?
While he would not do it to you; odds are he would do it to a guy like you and people who are just like their parents in Oregon. While those peoples son is doing it to his parents where you are at.

[GhostCat]

This country needs a HUGE Militia (Everyone between 18-50) to stand up and take back our country........but that'll never happen until they ban all sports and beer.....until then, WAR EAGLE!!!!......AND PASS ME A BEER!!!!!!!......:-)

[FTF]

But at what point will they realize that it is wrong? How much damage will have been done at that point?

Civilian LEO would only be a factor in the intial raids. As soon as the flag went up, all would be considered "Opposing Forces" to be neutralized as the very first order of business. The rule that you engage and eliminate the closest and most lethal threat that confronts you would apply. Those that did survive the counter attacks would only do so by going to ground and trying to move as far and as fast as they could to whatever safe zone they felt was available. So effectively, modern LEO would become a Historical Footnote in the first few days. The Govt. came very close to seeing this play out in the 90s when then Attorney General Janet Reno had the FBI, ATF, Etal prepare for raids to arrest all the known Militia Leaders throughout the country. Operation "Rolling Thunder" was what it was called. Fortunately, an ATF agent with some common sense informed members of the House of Representatives just prior to their jump off time. Can't remember his name, but he put a halt to it, and well he should have. The Militia Community had put the word out on when it would take place, some 36 hours before the good Congressman heard about. Militia folks in every corner of the country were ready to commence operations nationwide as soon as the first raid was launched. Sure would have been a mess in a hurry!!

Those that refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it!!!

Thanks,
Emory Jones

[GhostCat]

FTF.......Operation Rolling Thunder wouldv'e Worked if implemented.......The Militia of today wouldv'e crumbled if the hammer fell on them.....Yeah, a few shots wouldv'e been fired and those who fired the shots would be slaughtered.....the others wouldv'e just submitted and been arrested for abiding by the 2nd amendment.

[Partisan1983]

FTF.......Operation Rolling Thunder wouldv'e Worked if implemented.......The Militia of today wouldv'e crumbled if the hammer fell on them.....Yeah, a few shots wouldv'e been fired and those who fired the shots would be slaughtered.....the others wouldv'e just submitted and been arrested for abiding by the 2nd amendment.



Possibly, but never forget history.


April 19, 1775 ;)

[napalm281]

FTF.......Operation Rolling Thunder wouldv'e Worked if implemented.......The Militia of today wouldv'e crumbled if the hammer fell on them.....Yeah, a few shots wouldv'e been fired and those who fired the shots would be slaughtered.....the others wouldv'e just submitted and been arrested for abiding by the 2nd amendment.
A man who is willing to die for a cause is a hard target to stop.

[abpt1]

So are you trying to say that the fine men and women of the American armed forces would be glad to kill American citizens for exercising their constitutional rights?

I bet a good deal of them would ....IMO some will be thinking uncle sam knows best....

[napalm281]

I bet a good deal of them would ....IMO some will be thinking uncle sam knows best....
X2

[abpt1]

We are the militia, the militia was acknowledged to be able bodied citizens charged with defending themselves from tyranny. Liberals argue that we have a standing army to defend ourselves from outside powers but that isn't the way I read it. Tyranny can be domestic or foreign. When a Charles Daley stands on his hindlegs and declares the people have no right to bear arms for self defense that is tyranny. England is over due for a revolution and we are fast approaching that point. Blue jean wearing beer drinking guys who like to walk around the woods and shoot guns will be the armed militia and everybody who stays home and doesn't vote because they won't make a difference with their ballot are the fodder that tyranny depends on for its existence. Only apathy can allow a tyranny to exist. Us militia types will be voting and our guns will be clean and our ammo boxes handy. Ballots rather than bullets but bullets if we must.


:up:

[FTF]

FTF.......Operation Rolling Thunder wouldv'e Worked if implemented.......The Militia of today wouldv'e crumbled if the hammer fell on them.....Yeah, a few shots wouldv'e been fired and those who fired the shots would be slaughtered.....the others wouldv'e just submitted and been arrested for abiding by the 2nd amendment.

No idea what the state of things is in most of the country, but I can tell you that in Texas, ALL is ALIVE AND WELL. Just spent a week in Coeur D'Alene Idaho, and appears the same goes there. The coming "Election" may well provide the "Litmus Test" that will reveal the current "Acidity Level" in the cess pool.

As the old song says "The Train is a commin, a commin on down the track!!"

Thanks,
Emory Jones

[Alexb]

Maryland that is and every other word was Jew or Nigger.
I just can not get behind that!

Being former military I served beside both and was proud to do so.

I realize there are good and bad in both but to espouse that and call it a militia just gives the whole thing a bad name.
Why can there not be a sane training militia without all of that bullshit?

I would join in a minute but do not give me skin heads and klansmen as the lead in to it. Just puts a bad face on things. I believe in Second Ammendment rights and believe in the militia premise as laid down by our founding fathers.
I believe int he right of the American citizen to take arms against his government if that government curtails their liberties even if they do it in fear of their own supposed right to lead, I also believe in defending the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
Just tell me where the sane people are.
I can not be the only one.
God I hope not anyway.

[Lysander]

Truly will be interesting as it unfolds, not sure whether I want to live long enough to see it, or hope I'm dead before the flag goes up!! :)

Thanks,
Emory Jones


You know FTF, you might want to do a bit more research on the IRA. Unlike the current US militia movement, the IRA has had outside sources of income and supplies including at various times the Governments of the United States, France, Russia, and Germany.

You can fight a small war with terrorist and insurgent tactics, but you must eventually fight a set piece battle to gain and hold territory, or it will go no where. If you knew more about the IRA you'd also realize that after the treaty of '21 which formed the Irish Republic, the Provos in what remained British territory were pretty well cut off from aid from their brothers in the Republic. Ireland's current anti-gun policies can be directly traced to their fear of British reprisals should any firearms be traced back to the Republic.

What's more, the Provos of today are nothing more than drug dealing hooligans and fractional scum. The IRA and Sinn Fein went to the negotiating table because they saw that violence was getting them no where and was actually turning popular opinion against them. The ones left "Fighting" are doing so for turf, not honor or freedom. They're no better than the inner city hoods we have here in the streets, just better armed.


Point is, no insurgent force has ever succeeded in the long term without major external aid. You don't have it and aren't likely to get it.

[FTF]

You know FTF, you might want to do a bit more research on the IRA.


Point is, no insurgent force has ever succeeded in the long term without major external aid. You don't have it and aren't likely to get it.

Thank You Lysander, for your spin on what I posted.

However, as usual, a school of Red Herrings, and nothing of substance regarding the discusion at hand. My references to the IRA and the DC Snipers was soley in the context, that a very small number of unhappy, albeit committed folks, can and have, effectively vaporized the "Government Illusion of Invincibility" throughout history. There is, of course, no direct correlation between the IRA, DC Flakes, and the Militia Movement in this country. So all the Historical Minutia, while entertaining and informative, is completely irrelevant. What is coming in this country won't follow any past "Insurgency" model since time began. No one knows what format it will follow with any certainty. But, the most plausible starts with something along the lines of Charles Manson's "Helter Skelter" and morphs into the eventual "Balkanization" of this country. Red Staters, Blue Staters, Status Quoers and "Fill In the Blankers" etc.

And as for your concern on whether "I" will or won't have any support from the outside, please don't worry about that. Asuming I live to see it, I can assure you that "I" will do just fine, all things considered, by no means a new nor unkown area of endeavor for me. You, on the other hand, with or without outside support, will have something of an adjustment to make I'm sure. However, you are probably correct that there won't be any outside support for the people involved in the beginning of it. But, I can also assure you that once the house of cards comes tumbling down, there will be no shortage of "Outside" entities rushing in to "Help" arrange the new borders.

So all that is left to ponder is the "When". Well, the odds makers are all lining up to bet that the upcoming election will provide just the "Spark the Doctor Ordered"!!

Have Fun!!!!
Thanks,
Emory Jones

And purely as an aside: One of your premier "Intelligence" agencies, The Southern Poverty Law Center, has just recently issued an urgent new report on the recent revival of "Organized Militias" accross the country. Their count is now at 880+ and growing.

[Carnage_59]

Under one part of Title 44 the militia is defined as "all able bodied males between the ages of 17 and 55."

Also under Title 44 USC, this authorizes states to have their own State Defense Forces. At present 23 states have them, Virginia being one of them. The commander in chief of a State Defense Force is the governor of that state. SDFs cannot be federalized like the National Guard.

Virginia also has a Naval Militia for the Chesapeake Bay. Virginia's governor also can draft people into an unorganized militia in case of emergency, with training facilitated by the Virginia Defense Force.

[StooperZero]

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/field_reports/2007/sept007/preop_lineup.jpg


Point man is so SMoked! on point with an SKS.... all camo'd up with that shiny ass bayo .

[Lysander]

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse your little fantasy with reality and facts. My bad. You may now go back to playing GI Joe in the woods with your buddies.

[asnc "night crawlers"]

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/field_reports/2007/sept007/preop_lineup.jpg


Point man is so SMoked! on point with an SKS.... all camo'd up with that shiny ass bayo .

The chick with the fire red hair... she'd be my first target. ;)

[ironhead7544]

I think American terrorists would be the most deadly in the world.

[Schuetzenman]

FTF.......Operation Rolling Thunder would ve Worked if implemented.......The Militia of today would ve crumbled if the hammer fell on them.....Yeah, a few shots would ve been fired and those who fired the shots would be slaughtered.....the others would ve just submitted and been arrested for abiding by the 2nd amendment.
I don't know about that. ATF ground to a halt real damn fast at Waco after bullets started coming their way and they took casualties. The agents of the alphabet agencies aren't so tough when they face opposition that knows they're coming. It took armor and a siege to neutralize the Davidians.

In the event that Gov. gets arrogant enough to think they can disarm the US gun owner by force we will see the separation of the sheep from the men quickly. I'd say there's quite a few gun owning sheep here on Gunsnet. People that will own firearms only so long as their masters give them leave to own them.

[FTF]

I think American terrorists would be the most deadly in the world.

During WWII the Japanese seriously considered the ground invasion of the United States. But all that was scrapped on the comments made by a single Admiral in the Japanese Navy. Not sure it was Yamamoto but that name comes to mind. To paraphrase, he said, "This would be completely insane and doomed to failure. We would face, a rifle behind every blade of grass!!" He new exactly what he was talking about.

And, at least in the case of a "Foreign Enemy", who is who, would be easily determined, and all the typical scenarios and tools of the trade used to suppress an Invasion, would hold some utility for the Stazis. However, in the coming case of a "Domestic Enemy", that won't be the case. No organized command and control, no uniforms, no troop concentrations, but most importantly no INTEL, absolutely no idea of who, what, when, where, nor how many. And their single doctrine of engagement will mirror that of the Viet Cong "Kill All They Send". The current buzz term "Asymmetrical Warfare" will take on a whole new meaning.

So I wouldn't expect to see any flags waving over marching columns of "Militia" nor camo clad combat patrols manuevering in the bush. If there are, they won't last very long. What is coming in this country will more closely resemble tens of thousands of individual "Hunting Expeditions" continent wide. And Bambi won't have to worry about a thing!!

Thanks,
Emory Jones

[American Rage]

Will Obama's election boost the militias?


Rage

[bzub12]

Will Obama's election boost the militias?


Rage


Is this a trick question :D

[NextGen]

During WWII the Japanese seriously considered the ground invasion of the United States. But all that was scrapped on the comments made by a single Admiral in the Japanese Navy. Not sure it was Yamamoto but that name comes to mind. To paraphrase, he said, "This would be completely insane and doomed to failure. We would face, a rifle behind every blade of grass!!" He new exactly what he was talking about.



Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto. love that quote btw. Reminds me of Hitler being advised not to invade Switzerland. (for obvious reasons :))

[Carnage_59]

Will Obama's election boost the militias?


Rage


It depends on which militias we're talking about. State Defense Force officers (authorized under Title 44 USC) wear an insignia you won't find in the US Army. 27 states have State Defense Forces with their respective governors as commanders-in-chief.

In the Army, crossed muskets are infantry, crossed sabres are cavalry. However, a musket crossed with a sabre is militia. Virginia has 4 components to its militia (and oh yeah, I'm not supposed to use that "m" word, "militia", because of politically incorrect connotations): 1. Army and Air National Guard (which, of course, can be federalized) 2. Naval Militia (yes, Virginia still has one) 3. Virginia Defense Force and 4. the unorganized m-word, made up of draftees in time of emergency.

Now, the other militias, made up of civilians with little or no official connections, I am sure will be more closely watched under an Obama Administration. I just wish our government would keep a better eye on the Muslim militias in this country, made up of Muslims of the Americas, Inc., and Jamaat al-Fuqra, which runs Islamberg NY, Red House VA and was running a camp in Fresno CA but got shut down because of weapons violations, namely, convicted felons in possession of machine guns.

[American Rage]

A couple of wrong moves by the socialists and these groups will explode in size.


Rage

[StooperZero]

A couple of wrong moves by the socialists and these groups will explode in size.


Rage



+1


This whole "confiscate retirements" thing could be the spark.

[topolover]

Here's a few quotes for you.

"Be radical, have principles, be absolute, be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle." -- Julius Evola

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." -- Calvin Coolidge

"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is exercised under cover of law, and with the colors of justice...." -- U.S. v. Jannotti, 673 F.2d 578, 614 (3d Cir. 1982)

"A government needs one hundred soldiers for every guerilla it faces." - Fulgencio Batista

"The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason." -- Gilbert K. Chesterton

"Anyone in a free society where the laws are unjust has an obligation to break the law." -- Henry David Thoreau

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- James Wilson

"The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerilla wins if he does not lose." - Henry Kissinger

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain

PATRIOTS are not Revolutionaries trying to overthrow the government of the United States. PATRIOTS are Counter-Revolutionaries trying to prevent the government of the United States from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States.

"Plans are useless, but planning is essential." General Dwight D. Eisenhower

The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato (427-347 B.C.)

"One of the ways we can judge a community, a country, or even a civilization, is how well we protect the powerless from the powerful." Bob Gibson, Esq. When Justice Hides Its Face

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Teddy Roosevelt

"Let us remember, that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers in the event." -- Samuel Adams.

Doing the right thing is almost always harder, because being bad is easy, and selfish. Often the right thing is the thing that requires you to do things that aren't always for yourself.

"What is morally wrong cannot be politically right." -- William Gladstone

"Ey' ain'a tellin' ya wha ta do, you jes' 'member that when it comes to violens, eit's a revalooshun if ya win an' traisin if ya lose...." from an old hillbilly

[Dutchman01]

I've been thinking I'd like to join up if one ever gets started in my neck of the woods. Obama's only president elect and I'm already sick of it. After watching that little ol' lady get roughed up by those homosexuals in california last week I'm thinking this'll be worse than anything in the clinton administration.

[topolover]

You guys realize that this is not a private forum and any Tom Dick and Harriet can see it. That means it can be the Brady Bunch of the fibbies.

I suggest that you keep this talk low. For YOUR sake.

I have a couple of friends doing time in prison right now because of their militia involvement, and not only did they NOT break the law, the feds really didn't give a rats ass about what's right or wrong. If it can happen to them it can happen to you.

So STFU.

[sksAL]

the management should "filter" this militia shit out. there will be lists of folks compiled soon, if not already. i belong to no "groups" or anti-american orgs.

[American Rage]

the management should "filter" this militia shit out. there will be lists of folks compiled soon, if not already. i belong to no "groups" or anti-american orgs.


You belong to gunsnet.


Rage

[GhostCat]

None of these Groups will be of any consequence as long as Sports and Beer are still Legal.......Ban Sports and Beer and it's On like Donkey Kong!!!!.....

[American Rage]

None of these Groups will be of any consequence as long as Sports and Beer are still Legal.......Ban Sports and Beer and it's On like Donkey Kong!!!!.....


:lool:

no doubt!


Rage

[once-upon-a-time]

None of these Groups will be of any consequence as long as Sports and Beer are still Legal.......Ban Sports and Beer and it's On like Donkey Kong!!!!.....


Thats comedy !

[El Laton Caliente]

I think American terrorists would be the most deadly in the world.

The two in OK city were "successful".