What AR-15 would you recomend?

[AK-J]

If I were in the market for an AR-15, which manufacturer would you recomend? Have you ever heard of Eagle Arms?

[alfajim]

I have a preban Colt, I have been reading lately that the Bushmaster is the preferred AR type manufacture. They also seem to stand behind their product

[Skip]

I have three preban Colt AR15 Model A1, H-Bar A2, and A2 Car. Like my bride, very reliable.

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[Xenohunter]

Hello everyone, this is my first post on here and have a few questions for my research paper. Well anyways, I've been to a gun show this weekend and i've seen a lot of diff. ar-15. I've seen some from colt, bushmaster, armalite, and eagle arms. Now at the show, I went to at least 3 diff. tables and looked at their eagle arms ar-15. all three were priced at or around 1400. Now im not asuming just becasue they cost a lot they are good quality, but this question goes out to the gun experts. Are Eagle Arms ar-15 good quality?

[telsonman]

the good thing about bushmaster is their customer service. they stand behind their product to such high extent, and are always so helpful.

jeff

[the shootist]

For ar 15s use the ABCs

Armalite
Bushmaster
Colt

And you can't go wrong

[GB-AK]

I have 2 Bushmasters. Armalites are very nice, but pricey. Colts are very nice, but pricey and have some proprietary-sized parts. Bushmasters have good quality, standard mil-spec parts including chrome lined bores and chambers, reasonable prices. Just can't see spending a K or more on the AR, unless this is a specialty rifle (competition/etc.). I've ordered extra parts directly from BM and had no trouble at all dealing with them. BM also has a HUGE selection of configurations, options, blah blah. There may have been some quality issues lately due to increased demand, but I just picked up a new one, and it seems fine to me.

GB-AK

[Vampire]

Originally posted by the shootist
For ar 15s use the ABCs

Armalite
Bushmaster
Colt

And you can't go wrong


I agree. As to the original question, Eagle arms are by Armalite. See their web page for explination.

[Schuetzenman]

The pole leaves out a good rifle maker DPMS. They build good reliable AR's and are very low in cost to the ABC's. I've got a Colt HBAR preban and I had to do a ton of stuff to it to make it shoot MOA or better. I put together a DPMS A3 type AR with a Match barrel and it shot below 1/2 inch. I didn't have to tighten up the fit of the lower to upper receiver as I did on the Colt.

Never buy Olympic . . . they need to be out of business as it is they that got steel cored 7.62X39 ammo banned from civilian sales by ATF. They just had to make a 7.62 X 39 AR pistol. Their reaction after the ban went down because of them was "we make firearms, we don't worry about their impact" or something pretty similar in arrogant tone. So to Olympic I say FOAD!:rant: :mad:

[neilwest]

1. I love my Bushy.

[Col Kurtz Too]

I will say that you will not go wrong with a Bushmaster. I have and have-had a number of them and they are great rifles. I feel the finish is better on Bushy's than Colt's. My personal put.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Armalite's have a lifetime warranty.Does Bushmaster???

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Originally posted by Xenohunter
Hello everyone, this is my first post on here and have a few questions for my research paper. Well anyways, I've been to a gun show this weekend and i've seen a lot of diff. ar-15. I've seen some from colt, bushmaster, armalite, and eagle arms. Now at the show, I went to at least 3 diff. tables and looked at their eagle arms ar-15. all three were priced at or around 1400. Now im not asuming just becasue they cost a lot they are good quality, but this question goes out to the gun experts. Are Eagle Arms ar-15 good quality?

DO NOT PAY $1400 for an AR unless it's a preban and even then that's high.

Armalite for under $900
Bushmaster for $800~
Eagle Arms?

The main difference between Eagle Arms(a division of Armalite) and Armalite is the warranty. Armalite is LIFETIME,Eagle Arms is 1 year to my knowledge.
I bought my Armalite from www.bernies-sports.com
$899
You can probably find them cheaper if you look hard enough.Certainly NOT $1400!!!!
Bushmasters could be had for the $750-800 mark from places like www.aimsurplus.com

BTW Welcome to the site.As far as the price at gun shows,they're usually NUTS in what they want!!!!!They get it when "newbies" don't research what they really are worth.

[bars full auto]

Rock River Arms makes great lowers. They are the new guys and not that well known.

[RikWriter]

For a new one, get an Armalite, Bushmaster second place. No other worth considering IMHO.
For a preban, get a Bushmaster or a Colt.

[Low Profile]

To answer the original question:

Eagle Arms were good rifles (Mark Westrom, owner of Eagle bought out Armalite and the Eagle name went in hiding for a while). It sounds like you are looking at pre-ban. $1400 sounds a bit high, but prices are pretty high right now as a result of the 9-11 buying spree. If it's NIB and unpapered (private sale), it might be worth it...

As others have said, you can't really go wrong with the ABC's of AR's


Regards,

Low Profile

[USMC03]

I would agree with the ABCs, which are all great rifles. I owned a DPMS and was not impressed with the material or finish and then found out that the receiver was cast and not forged. I have owned many ARs and the one that I like most is my BUSHMASTERS. Good luck

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[telsonman]

Armalite does have a lifetime warrenty, but it is a LIMITED warrenty. there are many stipulations to the warrenty, a little too many.

jeff

[Xenohunter]

Originally posted by Low Profile
It sounds like you are looking at pre-ban. $1400 sounds a bit high, but prices are pretty high right now as a result of the 9-11 buying spree. If it's NIB and unpapered (private sale), it might be worth it...



Actually, yes the three Eagle Arms that were on display at those three diff. tables were all preban. Now out of those three, only two of them were what you call unpapered.

[mr50bmg]

I vote Bushmaster for the following reasons:

AR-15's for serious use (http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/ar15sforserious.htm)

...just one of many articles at this site (http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/leo.htm)

-Dave

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Originally posted by telsonman
Armalite does have a lifetime warrenty, but it is a LIMITED warrenty. there are many stipulations to the warrenty, a little too many.

jeff

?????What special stipulations???None that any other gun manufacturer doesn't state....

Armalite Inc. warrants to the original retail purchaser,for his/her lifetime,that this firearm,used under normal conditions,will be free from defects in parts,materials and workmanship which affect satisfactory operation of the firearm.

The warranty is limited to the repair or replacement of the part or parts which are returned to armalite and which are deemed by Armalite to be defective.
**What do you expect monetary damages??***

The following items are excluded from this warranty:
a)Normal wear of protective finishes and of all metal or plastic parts *** Expect to shoot your barrel out and get a new one free???***

b)Damage or malfunction resulting from accident,negligence,misuse or unauthorized repair or alteration.
***If I use my AR as a crowbar they won't send me a new one?**
C) damage from use of other than factory ammunition.
***So if I miss handload and blow up my reciever,they won't replace it?***

I see nothing different than any other gun warranty.

Just for the record,I had weak extractions/ejections with Q3131 ammo,emailed Armalite and they sent a new ejector and spring pronto......Turns out it's the ammo.This kind of service is not limited to the little stuff.
Everyone I've ever spoken with about Armalite will testify to their standing behind their product without reservation.
Now their projections and delivery of new products is a DIFFERENT story.....Still waiting for my Ar180B.

[AK-J]

Thank you for everyone's help.:D

[Legend Blaster]

Bushmaster. good rifle & priced reasonably.

[nhglyn]

Bushy all the way. Had a Colt, the compensator blew right off it after just 20 rounds. Sent the SOB back and got the Bushy HBar.

[TheRifleman]

I have two Colts. One pre-ban and one post ban. Fine rifles as far as I'm concerned. Never had a problem with either. having said that, I would have no problem at all buying and Armalite or a Bushmaster.

[Rew]

In my case when asked, "what make is it" answer R.E.W. entriprizes, No 1. :D

Rew

[stgwlover]

If you want a preban, Colt usually has the best finish and Eagle arms not far behind. For a postban, Bushmaster is the closest to M-16 specs, i.e. if you ever want to get a drop-in auto sear it'll fit without any alterations.


stgwlover:D

[ZRX1200]

AR: Bushmaster in postban, Colt in preban
NFA/LEO: Suppressed Arms Tech LTD COMPAK-16 or Recon-14. Never heard of 'em? Join SF, go 160th SOAR or be a LEO. Not your Daddy's CAR-15 or your big brother's M-4. In the meantime, read Jane's.

[JasonK]

Originally posted by Schuetzenman
Never buy Olympic . . . they need to be out of business as it is they that got steel cored 7.62X39 ammo banned from civilian sales by ATF. They just had to make a 7.62 X 39 AR pistol. Their reaction after the ban went down because of them was "we make firearms, we don't worry about their impact" or something pretty similar in arrogant tone. So to Olympic I say FOAD!:rant: :mad:

Schuetzenman I don't follow the AR scene so I don't know anything about this. I assume the issue with the steel core was the supposed armor piercing ability?

Does Olympic still make an AR pistol? Does anyone else? I know I've seen them.

Non-steel core 7.62x39 will still penetrate a vest at pistol distances so what were the Batsquad hoping to prevent?

Thanks.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Corbon? I think it is makes an AR pistol too.

[Duce]

I own a Lo-Pro Classic, wanted a semi-auto
varmit rifle. With a 4X12 mounted shot 4 grps.
@ 100 yds., avg. grp. size was .803. This was with
four brands of ammo, three different bullet weights.
These grps. all could have been put in a 2" circle.
Duce: :sniper:

[USMCsilver]

I voted Bushy, but I, myself, if I were to do it all over again from the beginning, would purchase a RRA (Rock River Arms).

Fit and finish is superior to all that you listed and their service and quality is great as well. If they keep up the way they are going, they will be on top here shortly.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that they can be had for about $150-$200 less than most of the others.

[mross312]

Without a doubt, ROCK RIVER ARMS.
Second, I have an Olympic with the Titanium lower. I like it alot.

[BanditArms]

DPMS...

I have one and love it. It's a mil-spec rifle and as good as Bushmaster, Armalite or Colt.

http://www.shooterstore.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=90&CATID=493&ObjectGroup_ID=1212

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DPMS Panther Arms
Panther™ Classic - Item# RFA2-C
Caliber
.223 cal
Barrel
20" Heavy Barrel
Stock
Black Zytez Composition A2 Buttstock w/ Trap Door
Sights
Square Front Post, Adjustable A2 Rear w/ Wind. & Elev.Adjustment
Features
A2 Forged Upper Receiver, A2 Round Handguard
Action
Semi-Auto
Rifling
6 Grove, 1 in 9 RH Twist
Price (includes F.E.T.) $749.99

http://www.k2-sports.com/

[Troy McClure]

I have a bushmaster and a preban colt. It is my opinion that the bushmaster is by far the better rifle. I even purchased a new upper receiver and it fit perfect without one of those rubber tensioning devices that i need between the colt's upper and lower. I would avoid the olympic arms, i saw one that would drop out mags without warning...

[AKVAR]

Rock River Arms. Good price ($649 for mine, NIB) and good performance.

[Flinter]

I like my Colt.........and it's postban. A friend of mine has a bushy and it seems to work just as well though. One thing though is that he can't use certain types of mags (polymer ones, like the Israeli stuff) anyone know why? Both are built Milspec right? Just doesn't make sense, but they won't lock in.....and if they do the bolt won't close. BTW.......does Colt still make AR's? Thought they were down and out.

[Schuetzenman]

Well an Orlite rather some early Orlites don't go into Bushmasters because their (Bushmasters) receiver has a mag well that is too long. It hits the rib on the sides of the mags that are there to stop the insertion depth positively and possibly to help seal the mag well opening.

[DSR-1]

The KNIGHTS Armament SR-15 m4 is SWEEEEEEEET!!!
Pop an Eo-tech 552 HDS sight on it and you'll have a system that will keep you very happy (although much less wealthy!)

[scooter]

I have owned Colt,Armalite,and Bushmaster,I sold all of them eccept my Bushmasters. The Bushmasters reliability is outstanding it is as dependable as my AK-47 and almost as acurate as my G-3 Bushmaster is (the best by a long shot);)

[scooter]

I bought a Bushmaster V-Match carbine and shot it for 6 to 7 months. I was not satisfied with the groups I was shooting, not 1" at 100 yds. I called Bushmaster and told them my problem and they told me to send the complete upper to them. In less than 2 weeks I had a brand new complete upper at my door.(NO-CHARGE) Now my V-Match is a tac driver.(top that for customer service)


BUSHMASTER THE BEST BY A LONG SHOT:D

[Simian]

Colt makes a nice rifle. They also have a life time warranty which differs from others out there.

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by Simian
Colt makes a nice rifle. They also have a life time warranty which differs from others out there.

Yeah, but Colts (I own a preban HBAR) are the loosest fitting with respect to receiver mate-up. That doesn't lead to accuracy BTW. ;) Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS. I've handled and examined closely all of these or own them (DPMS) and they are tight. Tight fitting, no wiggle receivers are what you want if you want accuracy. Other things contribute to the bottom line of accuracy, but if the receivers are loosie-goosie forget it.

When you buy Colt you buy the name, not the weapon that's best IMHO.

[Gunrunner34]

Bushmaster gets my vote.
I have owned those other types, have sold them off, and kept my Bushmasters.
They are the most accurate and reliable ARs I have found.
Bushmasters commitment to qualty and service is surpassed by none.:1919:

[pitman022]

BUSHY, BUSHY< BUSHY&BUSHY=BUSHY+BUSHY-ARMALITE(PILE OF CRAP+BOX OF FECES)=SORRY FOR YOUR LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Fistula]

Originally posted by mr50bmg
I vote Bushmaster for the following reasons:

AR-15's for serious use (http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/ar15sforserious.htm)

...just one of many articles at this site (http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/leo.htm)

-Dave

Good article. This is just the sort of 'cut to the chase' info people can use. However (and you knew there would be a 'however') I must disagree with the AR relibility issue. IMPO, the AR requires TMM (Too Much Maintenence). Common failures:

Failure to chamber- dirty chamber.
Failure to feed- cheesy USGI mags.
'Stove pipe'- weak extractor/ carbon build up.
Light primer strike- carbon build up on trigger group.

These are all VERY common and occure regularly on MILSPEC weapons that are not abused and receive -10 maintenece. The problem of the AR are inhiernet to it's design (mostly venting hot gas into the action). Most of these malfunctions occure after about 300 rounds. Since most people don't shoot this much in one session without cleaning it is a non-issue, but a soldier in combat is very likely to go through several 'basic loads' ( 7 mags) in one day without the benifit PMCS. The AR is a great gun for matches but on a two way multi-purpose range it falls way short.

BTW what's the 411 on MD shooting meets- I am in the APG area.

[Poodleshooter]

Originally posted by Schuetzenman


Yeah, but Colts (I own a preban HBAR) are the loosest fitting with respect to receiver mate-up. That doesn't lead to accuracy BTW. ;) Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS. I've handled and examined closely all of these or own them (DPMS) and they are tight. Tight fitting, no wiggle receivers are what you want if you want accuracy. Other things contribute to the bottom line of accuracy, but if the receivers are loosie-goosie forget it.

When you buy Colt you buy the name, not the weapon that's best IMHO.
Yes, but the solution is only a $2 piece of rubber! My postban Colt locks up solid as a rock.... I have no complaints with it other than the trigger block and the twist that I bought before I knew of such things.

[HAC7]

Hard to say. I gave my SLR to a buddy for a while cuz his Bushy needs toooo much attention. Needless to say the SLR ALWAYS runs perfectly. I've shot alot of AR's but don't own one cuz they are a little too picky for me.

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by Poodleshooter

Yes, but the solution is only a $2 piece of rubber!

IMO you put rubber over your Penis to prevent unwanted preganancy. I don't put rubber inside my weapons! Shock and horror!:rolleyes:

But seriously, the accuwedge is a band aid for poor tollerances. It also in time will stop pushing as it will take a compressive set. Thermoplastics and TPE's or TPR's, (thermoplastic elastomers or thermoplastic rubber) are my field of expertiese as a Process & Tooling engineer.

Also, the wedge pushes but it is still possible to rock the uppers with sling pressure or additional cheek pressure. Really they are a poor substitute for tight fitting uppers to lowers. You won't find a serious Service Rifle or High Power rifle shooter with one of these little rubber thingies in their weapon. We if need be to do so will epoxy bed the upper to the lower for nearly 100% stabilized contact. A release agent is used on the lower so that the upper does not become permanently bonded to it. Yet the upper can be removed from the lower by means of two push pins as the military M16's have.

[JEBSGHOST]

I like dealing with JT Enterprises. Great kits and good service.

[Guy Fawkes]

I got a Les Baer that I love + ASA that is very accurate.

[BoneHead]

As my MPO Colt I have 3 right now...no trouble what so ever,I had a PWA an a Armalite now that was a dif. storie Guess you can get good and bad in any of them ...Now if times get hard or you want to sale and get some other toy..Guess yall know the answer to that




Semper-fi

[scooter]

Pitman022 ,What does your equation mean?

[Flinter]

I have a question about Rock River Arms........I saw an add for them in shotgun news and they had tricked out prebans for about a thousand bucks. Are these complete rifles or do they simply build on your preban reciever? I'm wondering because they also said "post ban rifles available". Anyone know?

[scooter]

Check out this site -www.rockriverarms.com-
You should be able to get info. you want.:)

[randyp]

YOU GOTTA GO WITH THE BUSHY . I love my Dissipator .
They are the best . Currently building a bastard parts gun but It will have a Bushy barrel .

[Manuel]

I say go with Bushmaster. They are milspec and damm reliable.

[Rebeldon]

From the choices given, I'd go with Bushmaster. However, I saw a Wilson Combat model that really impressed me. It was a bit pricey, however ($2,500).

[mcshot]

I have Colt and Rock River and am pleased with both. Talked to a AR smith that sets up at shows and he said avoid DPMS because of QC problems.

[Buster Charlie]

Whats with the m-16 furnature? The old ones have the smooth tapered foregrip, but the new bushmasters have a round ribbed design... Whats with that stuff?

[Gr8Scott]

I'll risk emasculation at the hands of Schuetzenman by saying this, but I do want to say something positive about Olympic. I own a pre-ban that someone had totally fucked up by pounding on the lower receiver takedown pin (it was oversized) with a hammer until it ruined the lower. They then compounded their already egregious error by filing down the rear takedown block on the upper to fit the newly compressed lower receiver. They painted over their filing/hammering to hide their fuckups (they did a great job BTW) and sold it to my local dealer. Two ruined receivers and one totally ruined recoil system later I buy the rifle from the local dealer who had unwittingly bought the rifle from what was a trusted customer who supposedly knew their stuff. I brought the rifle back to the shop after I determined what was wrong with it and he eventually (this took about two months) sent it to Olympic when a local smith wouldn't touch it.

Olympic turned the rifle around in roughly two weeks from the time they received it. Steve even called me when they received the rifle to let me know that it had arrived. The rifle did sit in place for about three days while the smith put out other fires, but he then went to work on it and identified the problem with the rifle (I did mention my theory on what was wrong to him beforehand). He immediately had both my receivers destroyed and had new ones made with the exact same serial number and markings as before (but now they are more crisp and defined and a better finish). My new lower received all new FCG parts and a new recoil assembly (the only thing that remained of the old lower was the buttstock and buffer tube) and the new upper kept most of the original parts. He replaced the extractor and all the stuff that goes with it but kept the old bolt and carrier. The remanufacture of the lower was FREE as it had a lifetime warranty. The other costs associated with the repair were covered by the local shop entirely because I had bought the rifle in good faith.

The end result is that I now have a NEW pre-ban AR-15. I will swap out the remaining used parts for new parts from both olympic and FN and I will have a beautiful NEW pre-ban. Man I like the sound of that!!! :D :D :D

Oly may have screwed the pooch when they made the 7.62 pistol, but I do like their rifles and I think they take good care of their customers. Name me another manufacturer that can re-make a rifle for you in two weeks?

[Gr8Scott]

Maybe Schuetzenman has decided to hold his fire?:duece:

[DeeOGee]

Originally posted by Guy Fawkes
I got a Les Baer that I love + ASA that is very accurate.

I too have a ASA that is dead on accurate, feeds any ammo (as long as I use the alum mags), and the finish is just as good as my buds Bushy.

I have not had to use their CS, but they are very helpful and friendly on the phone.

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by Gr8Scott
Maybe Schuetzenman has decided to hold his fire?:duece: What . . . You traitorous groveling worm! You festering snoty nosed maggot! How dare you enrich the evil ones!




:D Just kidding Gr8Scott. I am plesantly surprised at their level of support. Enjoy the preban, you'll have to bring it when you can finally join the NC Irregulars at San Lee. :D

[Gr8Scott]

My nasal condition is improving... :D I'll bring it out when I can go play again. That may be a while as I have no money coming in except my income tax return and a paycheck that I plan to cash today. Everything else is gone.:( That's OK. Hated that job and tried to quit a long time ago.;)

[Schuetzenman]

Good luck in your job hunting. It's a tough time right now.

[Gr8Scott]

Yeah, it's a bit rough. I am fortunate when compared to lots of others out there though. I have my health and I feel confident that I will find something to pass the time and make a few bucks while this dreadful economy improves. I have a few leads here and there. I should be back on my feet relatively soon...

[loandr.]

IRS tax dilema forces sale of one of the kids check gunbrokers.com
item #3312310 make me a serious offer and we can work something out. as of 3/6 1/2 case of Lake City ammo for the high bidder. Check my feedback while there, you wont be dissapointed.
rnatkin@cfl.rr.com

SOLD 3/28/02

[hardwood]

For out of the box accuracy: DPMS (no chrome-lined bore or barrel). They make the best varminters of ALL the ARs period and are geared more towards competition or varmint hunting applications. DPMS chambers ARE 5.56 NATO and they still make a good mil-spec AR (chrome lined is an option but not standard on their rifles) but not the best for a military application. DPMS uses investment castings rather than forged receivers (although forged or even SS is an option).

For gung-ho military types: Bushmaster is the AR you want.

If I was going to buy another AR not for varmint hunting or precision shooting(I already own a DPMS 16" SS fluted bull-barrel), it would be a Bushy without thinking twice.

[SD70MAC]

Apparently someone hasn't heard of the Colt CR6724.

[lightning 351]

I think the best ar is a les Baer super varmint.

[Playmate50]

I have a Colt (new) lightweight 16" inch barrel...I love it. Very accurate............

Connie

[imanaknut]

Picked up a Bushy XM-15 A2 20" barrel for a great price at our local gunshow two weeks ago. Got to shoot it for the first time yesterday. I did not know that the AR was a bolt action. To get it to fire, I had to cycle it after each shot. A check of the parts when I got home revealed a canted bolt carrier key! After careful realignment, I headed back to the range this morning and was relieved to find that it is indeed a semi auto, but only with the factory mag or with govt surplus prebans. The aftermarket steel jammed, hung up or basically didn't work. The USGI aluminum 30 rounders fed flawlessly.

I am now happy to sandwich my AR 15 between my SAR-1 and SAR-3.

AK-nut (now with an AR)

___________________

Live long and shoot!!!

[canewalker]

I haven't read this whole thread so maybe someone pointed this out. If Eagle Arms is also EA Arms in Krotz Springs, Louisiana...it might be a piece of trash. :(

In 1989 before George Sr. screwed us on March 23rd with the Assault Rifle ban I bought a AR-15 Shorty. It turned out to be a parts gun I think. It had E A, Krotz Springs, LA stamped on it along with a serial number and that was the most NON shooting SOB .223 I have ever owned.

I have had Mini-14's that would shoot rings around that POS as far as accuracy goes. Then after about 300 rounds it died. It went into the single action mode. :mad: I pulled it apart at the range and saw what it was. It bolt carrier gas key was totally eroded out where the gas tube went inside it. I ordered the parts from SARCO and put the new one on and it went into semi-auto again.

The accuracy never could be helped though. It was a 16" barrel collapseable stock and it kicked like a mule from day one also. The receiver was a POS casting and the pin holes were rounded and not true center. I ended up selling it to a DEA agent that was on medical retirement and told him never to bet his butt on it. He's dead now! :eek: Congestive Heart Failure. gottcha.

If Eagle Arms is made in Krotz Spring, LA.....beware. IMHE.

[AKTimes2]

It's the Bushmaster.... in 7.62X39 of course ... best round since the first German assult rifle round in the 40's

[other new guy]

Originally posted by Schuetzenman


Yeah, but Colts (I own a preban HBAR) are the loosest fitting with respect to receiver mate-up. That doesn't lead to accuracy BTW. ;) Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS. I've handled and examined closely all of these or own them (DPMS) and they are tight. Tight fitting, no wiggle receivers are what you want if you want accuracy. Other things contribute to the bottom line of accuracy, but if the receivers are loosie-goosie forget it.

When you buy Colt you buy the name, not the weapon that's best IMHO.

Why does a little case of the wobbles affect accuracy in an AR-15? Doesn't all of the acuracy come from the upper? Just curious, not really interested in becoming a traitor yet.

[GuerillaWarfare]

My words on it...

I have owned Bushmaster, Armalite and now Colt. I love all three. I would say all three of these are top quality AR manufacturers. If you want an excellent mil-spec shooter and want to save money, get a Bushmaster. Armalite AR's are nice, but I would get a Bushmaster over one because of Price. I now have a Pre-94 Colt and am making it an M4gery. I like Colt for the value and it is more prevelant in the pre-94 AR15 market.

[ScottB]

My advice would be to buy a weapon that is reliable, unless shooting at prarie dogs. The M-16/AR-15 has the best ergonomics of any weapon ever designed, but it is unreliable. The weapon has a flimsy magazine and needs to be piston operated. Some enterprising company will make a fortune when they combine the reliability of an AK with the ergonomics of the M-16. I have yet to own a reliable AR-15. The magazine is a flimsy piece of junk. The only decent magazine made for the AR is the Sterling.

[Low Profile]

ScottB:

Maybe you need to try different brands or different maintenance. Between myself and friends, I've got intimate knowledge of nearly a dozen AR's (Colt's, Bushmasters, Armalites, and one lonely ASA) and *all* of them have proven to be very reliable. No problem with mags. The multitude of armies, special forces, and tactical police forces using the M-16 design worldwide don't seem to have a problem with them either.


Regards,

[GuerillaWarfare]

Originally posted by ScottB
My advice would be to buy a weapon that is reliable, unless shooting at prarie dogs. The M-16/AR-15 has the best ergonomics of any weapon ever designed, but it is unreliable. The weapon has a flimsy magazine and needs to be piston operated. Some enterprising company will make a fortune when they combine the reliability of an AK with the ergonomics of the M-16. I have yet to own a reliable AR-15. The magazine is a flimsy piece of junk. The only decent magazine made for the AR is the Sterling.

So which AR15's have you owned that are so unreliable? If the gun and magazine are so poor why is it one of the most prevelant small arms in the America's and other parts of the world? I am definitely an AK fan and think the AK is a more rugged weapon than the AR and would work in more adverse conditions, but it is not as trashy as you make it sound...

[ScottB]

I have yet to see a Ar-15 of any brand as reliable as an AK Or HK. I have never worried which magazine I inserted into an HK or AK. Both weapons have a superior magazine design in comparison. I have .223 Bulgarian Ak, I never worry about what ammunition is in it, other than accuracy considerations. The ergonomics of the AK suck , but when the trigger is depressed it goes bang. I have never had a stoppage from an HK or AK. I dont know of any AR-15s that can boast of that. I know of a dealer in AR-15 parts, his personal weapon is a .223 AK. A longtime aquaintance and a very good full time gunsmith said the same thing, AR-15s are not a reliable weapon, he has built hundreds. I have never seen an AR-15 not have a few stoppages in 500 rds. I would love to own a AR-15 again, when Sterling magazines are readily available and the gas system is changed to piston operated. I know well how to properly clean an AR-15, I could still do it in the dark. M-16/Ar-15s are a good weapon, they just need some improvement A gulf war vet once told me to shoot a deer with a .223, It is usally not fatal, unless perfectly placed. Now imagine a human at 100yds shooting back from behind cover. Another Gulf War vet from Air Force Rescue had a Ma Deuce(.50 BMG) in the gunners position, and a .45 1911 as a side arm. Read Blackhawk down and the lack of effectivness of the SS109. To each his own, just food for thought. ScottB

[GuerillaWarfare]

Your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it. However, I totally disagree with it. I have owned three AR15's and an HK93A3. I have not shot my Colt AR15 yet. But I can honestly say that my Bushmaster XM15E2S and my Armalite M15A2 NEVER malfunctioned ONE TIME. I put close to 600 through the Bushmaster and 400 through the Armalite. When I had the HK93A3 I put about 100 through it, it never malfunctioned, but it was not as accurate as any AR I have owned and it is a clumsy heavy weapon for .223. I would pick a Bushmaster, Colt or Armalite AR15 to defend myself any day of the week over any HK weapon. HK is reliable, proven, and effective but not for me. I think the design is nowhere near as efficient as the AR15 rifle. If your Gunsmith has built so many poor AR's why is he still doing it? Not trying to be a smart ass here(seriously), but wouldn't that ruin a 'smith's reputation by churning out poor rifles? These are my thoughts, just a healthy debate we are having. ;)

[ScottB]

You are I think mostly right, the M-16 is a good weapon when given good magazines and high quality ammunition. If you happen to drop an AR15 magazine on a hard suface, the integrity of the magazine is questionable. I have always numbered my AR15 mags to weed out the defective units. Any military mfg. magazine for the HK or AK will feed anything but rocks.The double reinforcement of the HK & AK magazine lips make them inherently more reliable. My AK feeds anything I have put in it, including steel case junk ammo. The average Joe will not always have top rate ammo available. Granted many countries use the M16, you always see the Israelis w/M16s, they have have better control placement. They are also used in a clean urban enviorment.The M16 has the potential to be the very best around, with a little improvement. It is a much better machined weapon, which makes stoppages from sand and dirt a prevalent issue. During recent Middle Eastern conflicts GIs are seen constantly cleaning the weapons. The early Portugese AR-10s are still the weapon of choice in Angola, they were very reliable, due to a very large gas tube dia. By the way my gunsmith builds weapons for USN Seal Teams, Police sniper teams. He was a machinist before a gunsmith. His father had one of the biggest NFA collections around. Good Shoooting!!

[GuerillaWarfare]

Point taken. By the way, welcome to the board!! :) Enjoy it here...GW

[Sylvan]

Just got my lower.
Nice and tight. Great trigger break, pull is a little strong. No complaints and 175 complete.

[NOTPARS]

I have an Armalite (AR-10A2) and love it, fired a Colt AR-15, and held a Bushmaster. I'd hate to comment on them based upon that little experience. But, I kind of liked the Bushmaster's fit and finish better than the Colt, not to mention the price, I like the Armalites the best but hey are pricey.

You said not to pay more than $900 for an Armalite. Is that the AR-15 model? The basic Armalite runs between $900-$1000. I have a broker who will get one for $150-$200 less than the retail price. Just wondering as I may add the .223 to my collection next year and right now I have it narrowed down between the Bushmaster and the Armalite.


"FDR was a socialist..."


Hey, there is an helicopter flying over my classroom (a trailer out by the tennis courts), maybe the commie-libs are coming for me.

[johneh]

It's been many years ago that I bought my Colt and Bushmaster pre-bans. The only comments I can make is the Colt will always command a higher resale value just because it's a Colt. The only other mfg. I considered was the Bushmaster. That gun, like Colt, is totally mil spec. This means you can pick any Bushmaster lower receiver and any Bushmaster upper and they will mate perfectly. Other mfg. sold their uppers and lowers as a match set. As I said, this was the case years ago. Maybe things have changed now.

[akajimmy]

Definitely a Bushie. I take my Bushmaster over my Colt any day of the week.

[AwsomeAK]

Armalite M-15/ A-2
The best accuracy I have ever achieved, because of the muzzle brake there is no muzzle climb at all!!!
I owned a colt flat-top and the Armalite blew it away in accuracy and function. I have put over 2000 rounds through it and not one mis-function or jam!!!
Much better than the A-2 I carried in the Army for 6 years!!!


:1919: :1919: :1919:

[Ekie]

Originally posted by canewalker
I haven't read this whole thread so maybe someone pointed this out. If Eagle Arms is also EA Arms in Krotz Springs, Louisiana...it might be a piece of trash. :(

In 1989 before George Sr. screwed us on March 23rd with the Assault Rifle ban I bought a AR-15 Shorty. It turned out to be a parts gun I think. It had E A, Krotz Springs, LA stamped on it along with a serial number and that was the most NON shooting SOB .223 I have ever owned.

I have had Mini-14's that would shoot rings around that POS as far as accuracy goes. Then after about 300 rounds it died. It went into the single action mode. :mad: I pulled it apart at the range and saw what it was. It bolt carrier gas key was totally eroded out where the gas tube went inside it. I ordered the parts from SARCO and put the new one on and it went into semi-auto again.

The accuracy never could be helped though. It was a 16" barrel collapseable stock and it kicked like a mule from day one also. The receiver was a POS casting and the pin holes were rounded and not true center. I ended up selling it to a DEA agent that was on medical retirement and told him never to bet his butt on it. He's dead now! :eek: Congestive Heart Failure. gottcha.

If Eagle Arms is made in Krotz Spring, LA.....beware. IMHE.

Eagle Arms are made in IL, and they say EAGLE ARMS on them. Your lower is a cast one make by Essential Arms, some are good (I had a good one) and some are not. They only made the lower, so thank the guy that built yours with gun show (reject) parts for the accuracy problems.

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by other new guy


Why does a little case of the wobbles affect accuracy in an AR-15? Doesn't all of the acuracy come from the upper? Just curious, not really interested in becoming a traitor yet.

The upper has the barrel in it and if it's flopping around why wouldn't it effect accuracy? A loose upper is about like holding a bolt rifle loosely. The rifle / upper is going to thrash around under recoil differently shot to shot. It doesn't matter that the sights are both on the upper. Each shot the upper ends up pointing in a different direction for a milisecond as the bullet exits.

My HBAR shot groups about 6 inches in size as I purchaed it 100% NIB from CDNN in 1994. Talk about pissed! I paid $1500 for it and my Mini 14 could match it or do slightly better! It's poor performance even with match grade handloads spured me to figure out how to make this POS shoot! I wasn't going to be satisfied until I got it to 1.5 MOA as a minimum.

I found John Feamster through Precission Shooting Magazine that I was getting at the time. Gave him a call (he has since written a book on AR-15 accuracy) and had a long talk with him. From that conversation I learned about epoxy bedding the upper to the lower to take the slop out. Learned about free-floated handguards, Milazo Kreiger triggers and the V-8 loading.

I went on to epoxy bed the upper and lower, put in the 2nd captured push pin replacing the bolt and screw pin that came stock on the weapon. I found DPMS and got their CMP compliant A2 type handguards and tube and put that on. Now the rifle was capable of MOA, but just barely. Eventually I put a Jewell target trigger on it with a minimal impact on accuracy. Finally I cryo treated the stock 1 in 7 barrel and that did the trick. Accuracy came down to about 3/4 MOA reliably. If I replaced the barrel it would probably come down to the perfromance level of my flat-top with Kreiger barrel at .4 MOA or slightly less.

[yerscattergun]

Buy a Colt! I can say that every Bushmaster I've owned has had
at least a minor problem. And I've owned 7 since 1995! It does seem that their quality has even gone down more in the last two years. My latest was a 16" HBAR A3 that I coudn't get on the paper without cranking the windage all the way to the left! And the removable handle looked like a bad casting with flashing chipping off! I know it was probably just a badly torqued barrel,
but why should we have to put up with such lousy q.c.? I have owned 5 Colts in the same timeframe and never had as much as one problem! They delivered what they were supposed to, life staking reliability and accuracy. My theory is that Colt has the correct specs on the rifle from Eugene Stoner and Armalite(the real Armalite) and some specs got lost or misinterpreted when the patents ran out. I know I will anger some with my opinion,
but it is based on experience! And you may ask why if I was so unsatisfied with Butchmaster did I buy 7? Thats a valid question.
Because whenever I wanted an AR the Bushmaster was cheaper.
Now I have the financial resources to buy the real thing! If it's
not a Colt, it's just a copy!:)

[guntoting_spartan]

AKVAR- what model and where did you get it???

[Krupski]

Originally posted by AK-J
If I were in the market for an AR-15, which manufacturer would you recomend? Have you ever heard of Eagle Arms?

I have a pre-ban Colt AR6520... which by the way is the ONLY AR-15 I have ever used that doesn't jam.

Roger

[edit to add]:

...and 6520 #2 is coming this Wednesday! :jump:

[GunGorilla]

What no Rock River Arms?
Wassup with that?
I'd get a RRA again if I was going to get one, got one of their lowers already with a J&T flat-top A2 upper on it. I'd definately get another one if I needed another AR-15.
Decently priced and good quality.

[SLAMFIRE51]

I've owned Colt pre-bans and Bushy's and I choose the Bushy over all the rest, just from personal experiences.

[BDA]

I say Bushmaster is the way to go.

[Amato]

Ive heard RRA is pretty good, but since its not on the list, I'd say Bushmaster. Ive had some jams with the ones I've used, but they shot pretty damn good. First one I used only had 2 jams, it was a post ban M4. The second one I used was a Blackwater preban M4, and I had a fair amount, but not a whole lot. A bunch of us were talking to the BW armorer and he said to us, he doesn't really clean the weapons, just puts oil on them, and they run good. So that might be the problem. He also told us he had one he hasn't cleaned in 3 years, just oils it up once and a while, and it runs like a champ. Last weekend I used an AR15 fullsize, I believe it was a Bushmaster, and I had 0 failures, and damn fine accuracy.

[automaticdan]

BUSHMASTER 100%;)

[Alarion]

The 7,62x39 Russian made by Izhevsk type :D
:ak: :ak: :ak: :ak: :ak:

Jokes apart: I've read the political explanation about Olympic, but here in Italy is Colt, Bushmaster or Olympic. And I don't care for Colt and Bushmaster is extremely difficult to get.
So, is there some technical reason against Olympic?

[W30olds]

Bushmaster. I also like the Rock River stuff. Very nice products.

Andy:D

[ubersoldate]

I think Im sold on gettin a Bushy but what is the word on VULCAN arms? Im hearing mixed, I thinks its the old Hesse right?

[CleverM]

U heard correctly Hesse=Vulcan arms.

[ubersoldate]

are they worth it? Anybody have one? I cant seem to get any info on em.
thanks!

[Aimless]

Originally posted by JasonK


Does Olympic still make an AR pistol? Does anyone else? I know I've seen them.

Bushmaster bought out the defunct Carbon 15 and redesigned them to alleviate some reliability problems and are now selling Ar pistols. However due to the wording of the ban the new Bushies pistols can't have a barrel shroud or grip on the barrel, so basically you have to hold it by the magazine or magazine well. Fun toy probably, not a lot of practical use for 5.56 out of such a short barrel. Wouldn't mind one as a play gun though.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carbon15/Images/C15P97wbgrnd.jpg
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carbon15/AZ-c15p97.asp

[Original-SSR]

I've owned 3 AR's. One was a full pre ban Colt, second was a Colt self neutered (sans bayonet lug), and the third was a post ban Bushmaster. Out of the three, Bushmaster impressed me the most. So my vote would lean towards the Bushmaster product, though I would have no problem owning another Colt AR :)

[stipilot]

DO NOT PAY $1400 for an AR unless it's a preban and even then that's high.I wouldn't hold myself to that: http://www.jprifles.com/NewJP_CTR02.shtml

[Guns4fun]

Never realized that Bushmaster had such a huge following. With more than a 3 to 1 advantage over the nearest competitor, that speaks for itself. :eek:

[wigum40]

I have had Bushmaster and Rock River.Both good.I like the RRA a little better(finish and fit).Lifetime warranty and a 1 moa guarantee. see RBPercision.com

[AC_Pilot]

Pre-ban CAR Bushmaster lowers which are fitted to:

Olympic arms 20 inch fluted heavy match barreled A2 upper. I shoot bowling pins at 400+ yards, never miss if I do my part, 90% of the time they are hit solidly enough to be knocked down, this using the hood of my 4 x 4 as a rest and a 3 x 9 scope.

Olympic arms 16 inch CAR 16 inch heavy fluted match barrel (not free floated, it's my babe's weapon) Iron sights this weapon will shoot a 2 inch group at 100 yards, until it gets hot.

Olympic arms .45 ACP 16 inch threaded muzzle upper (Has it's own Bushmaster lower)

The .556 weapons wer complete arms, so I still have have the spare lowers. May build something cool on them in the unlikely event the ban sunsets.

Also have: Olympic arms 20 inch A1 full stock heavy barrel. All Olympic arms and it is super accurate.. almost 1 MOA with iron sights. if anything it's more accurate tham my Ultra match. I am planning to scope this rifle soon.
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And have a Colt 9mm pre ban CAR.. this is also my babe's weapon

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Having shot most makes, my opinion is the Bushmaster is tops, the Olympic arms UPPERS are excellent and very accurate in the match config. Colt is good too, but the 9mm we have will only feed FMJ. That's OK since I have a hot 124 grain NATO type load worked up for it, that will put 3 shots into 1 inch at 50 yards.
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One final note: The ss109 has plenty of stopping power. The Marshall and Sanow street one shot stopping figures is over 90%. HIT YOUR TARGET. THIS DOES NOT MEAN LEGS, ARMS, ETC.. HIT THE HEAD OR HEART OF THE AGGRESSOR. Spray and pray does not cut it. You will run out of ammo and then you will die. The guys in Blackhawk down were dead men from the get-go, it was hopeless, because they were horribly outnumbered and we had no backup ready, or someone at command screwed the pooch. We never should have been there anyway, but I respect their courage. If you will do your part, the .556 will do it's part. having said that, my preference for long range shooting is my HK91A3 with soft point match handloads, and a Leupold or night vision scope. With the claw mount I can switch between these two in seconds. Highly recommended if you have the money (The two scope, each with a mount, plan, regardless of weapon type)

[Epinephrine]

The problem with M855 ball ammo is that it has no problem, its the damn gun. Yes, it has a 23" penitration, but that isnt the bullet, its the gun. The M16/ M4 was fine until the government and its almighty wisdom said 1:7 twist was better.

In Vietnam the M16 with 1:12 would drop a gook in one shot. The stories coming back from Iraq say it now takes anywhere from 3-5!!! shots to drop a sand n***** all because the bullet is over stabilized. 1:9 turn can stablize to 69 grains, 1:10 can go to 64. If your going to use a twist rate designed for bullets up to 84 grains. use an 84 grain bullet damnit!

Of course, with less stability, you lose range, but in the 50 yard firefights in Iraq, you dont need range. Afganistan is where you need range and 1:9 would most likely suffice. Plus dont get me into the dreaded 1:7 barrel burnout!
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Anyway, onto the type of AR you want. Bushmaster has the closest thing to an FN M16, good overall fit and finish, great customer service, and all the parts you need.

But Rock River and Colt are great too. It all depends on what you want.

[kcub]

I've tried to like ARs in general but everytime I pick one up I didn't like it. They are too muzzle heavy. I've heard you can put a weight in the grip but that seems like it would only add weight.

That changed the other day. I now own the following: short and well-balanced

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/pcwvms16ah.asp

[Epinephrine]

If you want a full size non muzzle heavy M16, get a gun with the gov't profile barrel.

[Rew]

Government issue M16's both A1's and A2's for a bit over 20 years. I got used to that muzzle heavy feel. I just got through putting the 16" AR below with a pencil barrel together and it just don't feel right, yet.;)

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/8405AR15_2-med.jpg

Maybe after Sept with a CAR stock, I'll get that muzzle heavy feel again.;)

[The Body Bagger]

It really depends on what you want. I have found the functions of Bushmasters to be on par with that of Armalites. However I myself still own an Armalite because its fit and finish is indeed hands down above that of any Hamster Masher I have seen. The Colts are pretty too but then again they do not have the tight tolerance (psychological) that either the Armalite or Bushmaster offer.

Dollar for Dollar go with a RRA as they have the best of both.......

DPMS- Buddy has a nice Stainless receiver on his no other expierince with anyone else's

Form and function over finish (think purple and rough castings) with good dollar value - Bushmaster

Form Function and Finish - Armalite without a doubt.

This is the way it always has been......Everyone who screams Bushmaster obviously have them same for anyone else with other brands but by in large the above represents the AR's pretty truthfully. GO to Ar15.com to read a little more try, but remember at that site unless you have 3000.00 invested your nothing as the members over there can be a little snobbish.

[HDR]

I bought a DPMS simply because the owner took a shotgun in trade...

It shoots an easy MOA with gun show ammo.
As far as reliability... Only has about 700 rounds thru it and no malfunctions..
And a 9 year old put over a 100 rounds thru it and he loaded his own mags..


I met a guy that works for FN Mfg and a lot of the manufacturers buy from the others.. Sort of got the impression that we don't know what they know.. ;)

www.fnmfg.com

[Trey]

You left off Rock River Arms. Best value in the AR market right now. Go to adcofirearms.com and see why. I saved over 100 dollars on my chrome-lined M4 instead of buying it from bushmaster, armalite, or colt. There is no excuse for paying $700 for a non-chrome lined M4 from Olympic or DPMS when you can get chrome lined upper and put in on the lower of your choice for the same price. If you want to be cheap, id go with something from model 1 sales, atleast they dont try to market their guns outside of their class like olympic does.

[NAPOTS]

my rra M4gery is rock solid
my favorite rifle at the moment unfortunately its 1200 miles away from me, I know I can't sleep at night.

RRA is a damn good deal. thier 20" has a .223 wylde chamber which is made to shoot all ammo reliably but has a sligtly tighter neck to increase accuracy, theier barrels are air gauged too. they come stock with a 2 stage match trigger.

imho for $689 they are a pretty damn good deal!

[Gr8Scott]

Damned if this isn't one seriously long running thread...

That Oly of mine has run 1000 rounds without cleaning and without a stoppage of any sort. The only jams I've had with that rifle were after I tortured it by shooting lots of dirty silver bear ammo and not cleaning it at all. The action literally locked up and ceased to move after the rifle sat for a week. Powder residue had hardened and expanded to the point that the bolt would not rotate in the carrier and the carrier locked itself in position in the receiver. That rifle was FILTHY!!! :) Not too bad for what most people call a POS eh?

Olympic rifles are great guns, but you sometimes have to be picky with the ammo and you have to pay more for the chrome lined barrels. The ultra match series of rifles are easily some of the most accurate AR's made and they will dot a groundhog's eye at 100 yards no problem.

If I was buying a new AR and wanted a strictly mil spec gun (not a flat top varmint gun), the bushy would get the nod here lately because they are probably the best bang for the buck gun that gives the chrome lined bore and matches mil specs perfectly. Screw Colt with their sear blocks etc. I've never seen a colt that was more reliable than my Oly or any Bushy I've ever seen.

[user426]

I have a Colt HBar 20".....Essential Arms PreBan 16''....RRA 9mm.....and my Victoria Secret Red M4gery..........
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL254/1943465/3754438/49436515.jpg


and they're all great...........

I forgot my DPMS pistol.....still trying to bring it in at under 50 oz's

[Firefighter]

I got a Bushmaster carbine
:ywoot

[nra4ever]

I love my bushmaster

[TacWac]

I prefer mutts.

[Marksman14]

Build it yourself.

Lowers honestly dont matter much, they are all the same.

I had a bushy factory M4, and recently replaced it with a RRA upper/bolt assembly...with a bushmaster 14.5 1/7 with a perm vortex. Couldn't be happier, and it only cost around 525 for the upper. That way, I got exactly what I wanted....proper twist...laser engraved rail marks to match up nicely to my KAC M4 RAS...etc etc.

Had it built for me by Eagle Firearms. Has laser engraved rail markings, 1/7 bushmaster barrel (only M4 chrome lined barrel out there made of 4150 with a 1/7 other than Colt and CMMG's custom DPMS barrels) RRA enhanced bolt group, charging handle, gas tube, etc. Very very nice craftsmanship. The upper they sent me is by far the nicest assembled AR upper I have seen, better than everything I've seen straight from the Bushmaster, RRA, or Colt factories.

Best of all worlds if you ask me, and with the exception of M4 feedramps, it has all nifty added "features" that differenciate the M4 from other AR's.

[thedaledoe]

I built my own with a J&T kit and RRA lower and im perfectly happy with it thus far

[hubacex]

Bushmaster!!!!!!!!! Just ordered a Stubby Light Carbine A3.:D :D
Hubace

[Epinephrine]

Seems like most prefer form, function, and savings over names and finish. GO BUSHMASTER! :woot:

As we should. I swear, some gun owners act like they are women in a mall: gotta have Victorea Secret!

[The Body Bagger]

Originally posted by Epinephrine
Seems like most prefer form, function, and savings over names and finish. GO BUSHMASTER! :woot:

As we should. I swear, some gun owners act like they are women in a mall: gotta have Victorea Secret!

Yeah because anyother AR that others have is complete piece of shit! I mean who cares if MY Armalite happens to be well finished and functions perfectly? Who cares if I actually wanted an Armalite and I could afford one? Who cares if I only paid $60 more at the local shop for NIB reliable WELL finsihed rifle with a lifetime warranty. It still makes it garbage right? I mean we should just take away the choice of owning any AR other than a Bushmaster! Hell who cares if that gap toothed fat chick down on the corner looks like she lives in a dumpster, her coochie probably works just as well right? Give me break and get clue. If you have no problems nailing the prom queen or one of her hottie friends why settle?

I'm not anti-bushmaster as I like all AR's. I prefer Armalite or Colt. People have had problems with all brands of AR's. Yes including your illustrious Bushmaster. Yet others keep buying them. So what a few bad ones always make their way out. Some companies more than others. Bushmasters are easily the most affordable and fit the introductory rifle better than Colt or Armalite so its no wonder why there are more of you who own them. Does that make them better than the others? No it doesn't. Does it mean the others are no good just because they cost more and finish better? No it doesn't. Does it mean the others are better? No it doesn't. None of the ABC's are any worse than any other. Its what you prefer.

PS here's what some people who might be in the know thought about the Bushie 15's. Read here from SWAT Mag (http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=81;t=000121)

[southern pride]

i was actually gonna buy a bushy A3 M4 carbine,
but i saw the J&T tactical upper assembly, and liked the look of it alot better!...so i bought the kit and built it myself!!

and i'd do it again http://home.carolina.rr.com/sportsdog/gun_smilie.gif

[Epinephrine]

Originally posted by The Body Bagger
Yeah because anyother AR that others have is complete piece of shit! I mean who cares if MY Armalite happens to be well finished and functions perfectly? Who cares if I actually wanted an Armalite and I could afford one? Who cares if I only paid $60 more at the local shop for NIB reliable WELL finsihed rifle with a lifetime warranty. It still makes it garbage right? I mean we should just take away the choice of owning any AR other than a Bushmaster! Hell who cares if that gap toothed fat chick down on the corner looks like she lives in a dumpster, her coochie probably works just as well right? Give me break and get clue. If you have no problems nailing the prom queen or one of her hottie friends why settle?

I'm not anti-bushmaster as I like all AR's. I prefer Armalite or Colt. People have had problems with all brands of AR's. Yes including your illustrious Bushmaster. Yet others keep buying them. So what a few bad ones always make their way out. Some companies more than others. Bushmasters are easily the most affordable and fit the introductory rifle better than Colt or Armalite so its no wonder why there are more of you who own them. Does that make them better than the others? No it doesn't. Does it mean the others are no good just because they cost more and finish better? No it doesn't. Does it mean the others are better? No it doesn't. None of the ABC's are any worse than any other. Its what you prefer.

PS here's what some people who might be in the know thought about the Bushie 15's. Read here from SWAT Mag (http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=81;t=000121)

Dude, you got a major malfuntion or what? I was not implying that other AR's suck, I was just stating an obvious fact. People buy Bushmaster because like you said, more can afford them, but also for a more important reason: they make more styles than anyone else, so most likely, people can find the one that suites them. Colt makes 4, Armalite makes 9, Bushy makes 28. So people that buy Bushy have 3x the options over Amalite. :rolleyes:

You need to get laid or something cuz every time you post, no matter who you talk to, your always a dick. Stick your dick where it belongs in a "coochie", not on the message boards.

BTW, I do care you could afford an armalite, and am happy you got one. Like you, I like all AR's.

[JE3146]

Body Bagger enjoys blowing things out of proportion..... dont take it personally :D

did it to someone else in another post... about had a heart attack after I read it..

[Epinephrine]

I have noticed. He seems to like making enemies.

[HKroniK]

Preban Bushmaster XM-15E
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/19045XM1.JPG

[Epinephrine]

Sweet rig! (refering to car and gun) :up:

[HKroniK]

Thanks

68' GT 350 Shelby Cobra (Cleveland)

[Epinephrine]

I bet that cost a very pretty penny since its not a kit car! I dont suppose I could intrest you in a trade for my friends '84 Ford Pinto? Its got a whopping 120 horsepower and only 440,000 miles! Its also got a stock nitrous kit too. Just hit the take with another car and you got instant rocket acceleration. I do recommend a fire retardent suit and one of those new $4000 Formula 1 Helmets made out of titanium and kevlar! :D

[Bugs Bunny]

Frankly, None of 'em!

Rock River is the way to go in my experience....

[Epinephrine]

:welcome: Bugs!

[steadyshot]

Rock River Arms

[Krupski]

Originally posted by SD70MAC
Apparently someone hasn't heard of the Colt CR6724.

What's a 6724? I know what a 6721 is... would a 6724 be an M4 in 9mm?

Roger

[SilverState]

You can't go wrong with a preban Colt.

[Krupski]

Originally posted by SilverState
You can't go wrong with a preban Colt.

I like mine. She's slinky and black, not too tall, not to heavy and very reliable.

However, my position hasn't ever changed... if I had to get rid of all but one firearm, I would keep my AKM without even thinking twice about it.

Roger

[HKroniK]

Originally posted by Epinephrine
I bet that cost a very pretty penny since its not a kit car! I dont suppose I could intrest you in a trade for my friends '84 Ford Pinto? Its got a whopping 120 horsepower and only 440,000 miles! Its also got a stock nitrous kit too. Just hit the take with another car and you got instant rocket acceleration. I do recommend a fire retardent suit and one of those new $4000 Formula 1 Helmets made out of titanium and kevlar! :D 440,000 miles and it hasn't blown up yet?!?!:rotflmao: Your friend is a good driver.

[mstang88s]

I LIKE COLT. I DID OWN AN OLYMPIC CAR15 BACK IN THE LATE 80'S TRADED OFF FOR COLT.

mstang88s

[DodgeGTS]

Are any of these manufacturers going to continue making AW-ban compliant AR-15s? :(

:(

[Krupski]

Are any of these manufacturers going to continue making AW-ban compliant AR-15s? :(

:(

Yeah.... Colt.

Colt split into two companies. They will not sell "evil" rifles to civilians (although an FFL could probably order them and how would Colt know who's getting them?)

Oh well... dumb move by Colt = More business for Bushmaster.

Roger

[RJ Shooter]

Indeed Rog, very bad move - both financially and ideologically!

[Epinephrine]

440,000 miles and it hasn't blown up yet?!?!:rotflmao: Your friend is a good driver.

Actualy, it blew up last week. Damn thing went putt putt, FFFFFFFFFFFFING, BOOOOM. Fire shot out from under the hood while we were doing 70 on I44! He popped the thing into neutral and pulled off the side of the road. You missed out on one sweet ride, the thing still had its one-time-only nitrous system! :rofl:

[DodgeGTS]

Indeed Rog, very bad move - both financially and ideologically!

Well, its a good move for us New Yorkers :)

[metroplex]

Build one yourself!

I hear RRA uppers,bolts, carriers, etc... come HIGHLY recommended.
I read up on barrels and Bushmaster is one of the few (if not the only) company that manufactures a 4150 steel w/ chrome-lined bore and chamber in 24" with a standard A2/A4 configuration. Everyone else either has bull barrels or varminter setups for a 24" barrel. I wanted a 24" A4 just to be different :hyper:

Anyhow, I built it up for a total cost of $640 (includes shipping fees and FFL fee).

It's quite easy and it was my first AR-15. I now have the tooling capable of building up more AR-15s for friends/family. :)

[.50Luva]

I purchased a Rock Rivers upper and lower seperately from a local gun shop and saved 11% excise tax. These went together nicely and very snug. I've had all of the Colts and this one is right there with performance.

[k3jon]

Does anyone have an LMT rifle? I've heard good things about them. How do they compare to the colts and bushys?

[TX_RGR]

BUSHMASTER. "There is none higher."

[JaketheSnakeOO7]

1. colt (if you can find one and afford one)
2. bushmaster, rra ( take your pick)
3 the rest here __________

But you could also group other makers like LMT, Knight's, Les Bear, Wilson combat in thier own catagorey, all pretty expensive and avaiability is an issue vs the other major companies like bushmaster, rra, olympic and so on.

[gunner118]

I voted for colt, because even though there more expensive they are the original and the best in my opinion.I do think bushmaster and rra are good guns to.

[Krupski]

I voted for colt, because even though there more expensive they are the original and the best in my opinion.I do think bushmaster and rra are good guns to.

Let me qualify that a bit...

An old "pre politically correct" Colt (like 1993 and older) is indeed one of the best you can get.

However, the buyer has to know what to look out for (such as non-standard sized front pins [0.312 instead of 0.250], an "auto sear block" which was meant to make it almost impossible to do a full auto conversion, but in reality just gets in the way of aftermarket "target" triggers and axis pin diameter [0.154 or 0.169]).

Any modern Colt STILL lacks the collapsable stock, bayonet lug and flash hider (even though they are now legal).

So, Colt can kiss my :moon: if they think I would ever buy their overpriced "politically correct" crap with a constipated 5 round factory magazine.

For a new rifle, Bushmaster is the way to go... no question.

I have two 1993 Colt "Government Carbines" (AR6520) and they are great rifles. But, I would never buy a NEW one from Colt.

Roger

[gunner118]

Hey Krupski i'm sure not that many people are gonna convert their ar-15s to full auto,and plus if you want pre-ban features just get the law enforcement model. Now I do agree that nowadays if you want pre-ban features that bushmaster might be the way to go because of the price and availability. Its like chevy vs ford they both work its just what you prefer.

[JE3146]

Hey Krupski i'm sure not that many people are gonna convert their ar-15s to full auto,and plus if you want pre-ban features just get the law enforcement model. Now I do agree that nowadays if you want pre-ban features that bushmaster might be the way to go because of the price and availability. Its like chevy vs ford they both work its just what you prefer.

last I checked both chevy and ford came with comparable features....

colt and their overpriced R models and PC bullshit MT models can kiss my ass. To hell with the pony... rest in peices..

FAR BETTER brands out there to be had for less money.

[gunner118]

last I checked both chevy and ford came with comparable features....

colt and their overpriced R models and PC bullshit MT models can kiss my ass. To hell with the pony... rest in peices..

FAR BETTER brands out there to be had for less money.


Well if you don't like colt don't buy one,and I do agree that the restricted models are overpriced but I still prefer colt.

[Krupski]

plus if you want pre-ban features just get the law enforcement model. Now I do agree that nowadays if you want pre-ban features that bushmaster might be the way to go because of the price and availability. Its like chevy vs ford they both work its just what you prefer.

Availability is the key. Colt split into "Colt Commercial" and "Colt Defense".

Colt Commercial is the politically correct "civilian" branch... and all they'll sell are rifles without bayonet lugs, pinned stocks and 5 (yes FIVE!) round mags.

Colt Defense sells the "good" rifles... but not to us peons.

If you can get an FFL to order a rifle from Colt Defense, you will end up with a pre-ban configured rifle that costs over $1000.

Screw them. Buy a Bushmaster... all the goodies and less $$$ too.

I've got two 1993 Colt 6520 rifles with all the goodies... but no way would I buy one of their new ones. F--k them.

Roger

Hey Krupski i'm sure not that many people are gonna convert their ar-15s to full auto

Obviously, Colt was "concerned" about that... which is why my 1993 rifles have the "sear block" pinned into the receiver.

The damn block gets in the way of most aftermarket adjustable "target" triggers, so if I want to put a "nice" trigger into my AR... my choices are very limited (by the ones which will FIT with the stupid sear block installed).

Also, the bolt carrier of a blocked Colt is a pure "C" shape... the back end in not an enclosed circle.

So, if I ever want to use a different upper on my Colt, I have to take the bolt carrier and mill off the rear ring so it clears the sear block (which I actually had to do when I bought a Bushy M4 style upper to use as a "shooter" to preserve my original barrels). The bolt carrier is hard too... I had to use a carbide endmill to do the job!

The sear block CAN be removed... but I don't want to risk scratching or damaging the rifle by doing so.

Why Colt TODAY still sells neutered rifles that cost too much with only 5 round mags is beyond my understanding.

People will merely write off Colt and buy Bushmaster.

Colt may as well close up their "commercial" division... since only a small few people who just HAVE to have a real Colt will buy one nowadays.

There's no way I would pay $1300 for a Colt "Sporter" with a 5 round mag and no "goodies" when I can have a Bushmaster XM15 for $800 and get ALL the goodies... :rolleyes:

Roger

[gunner118]

[QUOTE=krupski]Availability is the key. Colt split into "Colt Commercial" and "Colt Defense".

Colt Commercial is the politically correct "civilian" branch... and all they'll sell are rifles without bayonet lugs, pinned stocks and 5 (yes FIVE!) round mags.

Colt Defense sells the "good" rifles... but not to us peons.

If you can get an FFL to order a rifle from Colt Defense, you will end up with a pre-ban configured rifle that costs over $1000.

Screw them. Buy a Bushmaster... all the goodies and less $$$ too.

I've got two 1993 Colt 6520 rifles with all the goodies... but no way would I buy one of their new ones. F--k them.

Roger



I do agree that it's bullshit that colt is'nt selling the rifles with the good features.But see when I bought my ar-15 the ban was still in effect and it only cost $700.Now if they would start selling rifles with pre-ban features and lower the prices they would make alot more money because they are a good company I just don't agree with their business strategy.But I could be happy with a colt or bushmaster their both great guns but I just prefer colt.Sorry I screwed up the quote thing I don't know how to fix it

[Krupski]

I do agree that it's bullshit that colt is'nt selling the rifles with the good features.But see when I bought my ar-15 the ban was still in effect and it only cost $700.Now if they would start selling rifles with pre-ban features and lower the prices they would make alot more money because they are a good company I just don't agree with their business strategy.

I bought a 6520 DURING the ban and it cost me $3000!

I bought another 6520 AFTER the ban expired and that one only cost me $1650.

Both are 1993 "Blue label" rifles with the dang sear block. Fortunately though, I do have collapsible stocks, flash hiders and bayonet lugs on both.

Also, both have "proper" 0.250 pushpins front and rear (rather than the 0.312 screwed in front pin).

My gripe is that a friend of mine has a non-blocked Bushy with an "Accuracy Speaks" FCG in it and the trigger has a nice smooth easy pull. It's almost TOO light (although it's REALLY nice as soon as the surprise wears off).

Because of that f:censored:king sear block, I can't put one of those FCG's into MY Colt. I'm stuck with the factory "500 pound trigger pull" parts. :(

My rifles also have 0.170 pins (rather than the standard 0.154 pins) which FURTHER limits my choice of trigger groups.

Oh well... at least I have a cool looking "rampant pony" stamped on the side of the receiver... :rolleyes:

Roger

[Epinephrine]

There is a way to remove the sear blocks without messing up the finish. YOu remove it in two or three pieces with a dremel. I will try to find the website and post it here.

[JaketheSnakeOO7]

Let me qualify that a bit...

An old "pre politically correct" Colt (like 1993 and older) is indeed one of the best you can get.

However, the buyer has to know what to look out for (such as non-standard sized front pins [0.312 instead of 0.250], an "auto sear block" which was meant to make it almost impossible to do a full auto conversion, but in reality just gets in the way of aftermarket "target" triggers and axis pin diameter [0.154 or 0.169]).

Any modern Colt STILL lacks the collapsable stock, bayonet lug and flash hider (even though they are now legal).

So, Colt can kiss my :moon: if they think I would ever buy their overpriced "politically correct" crap with a constipated 5 round factory magazine.

For a new rifle, Bushmaster is the way to go... no question.

I have two 1993 Colt "Government Carbines" (AR6520) and they are great rifles. But, I would never buy a NEW one from Colt.

Roger
I have a 20'' H-bar that was bought during the AWB under clinton and it shoots great just as good as my dad's old colt sp1 slabside slim carbine. And I have visually seen a guy at the local range here with his brand new Colt LEO/Military m4 zero it in at a range. It shot superb as well, zeroed in in with a 20 round mag the first time. I have yet to hear of these new colts that have all these problems.

[JE3146]

There is a way to remove the sear blocks without messing up the finish. YOu remove it in two or three pieces with a dremel. I will try to find the website and post it here.

Krupksi is against doing dremel work to one's AR.

I have a 20'' H-bar that was bought during the AWB under clinton and it shoots great just as good as my dad's old colt sp1 slabside slim carbine. And I have visually seen a guy at the local range here with his brand new Colt LEO/Military m4 zero it in at a range. It shot superb as well, zeroed in in with a 20 round mag the first time. I have yet to hear of these new colts that have all these problems.

They may shoot great, but the point he is making is it's an inconvenience to be limited by politically correct features....

These include non-standard trigger pins so your trigger is different than everyone elses. Largehole uppers.. so you can't attach everyone's upper to your lower. A sear block... which prevents the usage of aftermarket triggers. Not to mention a gay ass bolt carrier thats been neutored.. and a compensator where a flash suppressor should be... and it lacks a bayo lug.... They did a few or all to every colt rifle during and after the AWB.

[Epinephrine]

Here is my universal reply to all things Colt, and if you feel I am attacking you, Colt Owners: FUCK COLT! I LONG FOR THE DAY THE MILITARY PICKS A NEW GUN FROM ANOTHER COMPANY AND PUTS COLT UNDER! COLT CAN BURN ON THE 7th LAYER OF HELL ALONGSIDE CLINTON FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE!!

[JE3146]

Here is my universal reply to all things Colt, and if you feel I am attacking you, Colt Owners: FUCK COLT! I LONG FOR THE DAY THE MILITARY PICKS A NEW GUN FROM ANOTHER COMPANY AND PUTS COLT UNDER! COLT CAN BURN ON THE 7th LAYER OF HELL ALONGSIDE CLINTON FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE!!

PREACH IT BROTHA!! AMEN!

:rofl:

[Hunter_of_Gunmen]

colt , 100% for me, the the rest of alphabet in order

[Krupski]

Krupksi is against doing dremel work to one's AR.

You got that right... I won't even take a Dremel to an AK!

Roger

[JE3146]

You got that right... I won't even take a Dremel to an AK!

Roger

Only took ya a month to get to that one :D

[sdcromer]

Here is my universal reply to all things Colt, and if you feel I am attacking you, Colt Owners: FUCK COLT! I LONG FOR THE DAY THE MILITARY PICKS A NEW GUN FROM ANOTHER COMPANY AND PUTS COLT UNDER! COLT CAN BURN ON THE 7th LAYER OF HELL ALONGSIDE CLINTON FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE!!

Many of the Army's weapons now come from here: http://www.fnmfg.com/

I think Colt is still doing the M4 carbine though.....

[Rev Rob]

I had a Colt Hbar a while ago. Probably the most exprensive gun I have ever baught. In the end I did not like the fit and finish of it.

Had an Armalite, it was nice.

I have a Cav Arms now with a Bushie Hbar upper and it works great.

[Krupski]

I think Colt is still doing the M4 carbine though.....

Yes they do. In fact, they make 4 different versions:

RO977 : Flat top, Safe/Semi/Full Auto
RO979 : Flat top, Safe/Semi/Burst
RO777 : Fixed handle, Safe/Semi/Full Auto
RO779 : Fixed handle, Safe/Semi/Burst

Two problems for us though... (1) They are machineguns and (2) they have 14.5 inch barrels.

From what I've read on the Internet (don't know how true it is), our Soldiers are currently using M4 rifles made by FN, not by Colt.

Normally, this would piss me off... I would rather see an American company get the business.

But, in the case of Colt, who STILL refuses to acknowledge the end of the AWB and expects us peons to buy overpriced, neutered rifles (no bayo lug, no flash suppressor, only 5 round mag), my feeling is... F:censored:K THEM!

Although I DO own two "real" Colt AR15's, they are old 1993 rifles which still have all the "goodies". I would never buy a NEW one from them.

The rest of my AR addiction is going to be fed by Bushmaster.

Roger

[Rev Rob]

To make it worse as I understand it FN is actually owned by GIAT(?) which is French.

[klangblades]

fn, the owner of winchester, french? What is this world coming to? I still think the dpms is a great buy. I've seen alot of them and they all had good tight fit between upper and lower, and generally are quite accurate.

[sdcromer]

FN is owned by Herstal which is a Belgian company.........

From their website:

"The HERSTAL GROUP is known around the globe for the quality of its products. Under the brand name FN HERSTAL, Browning and Winchester, the Herstal Group designs, manufactures and distributes a full range of firearms and accessories for defense, law enforcement, hunting and marksmanship.


The Herstal Group has its headquarters in Liège, Belgium, the heart of Europe, and offices in nine other European countries, North America and Asia.

The Herstal Group includes Herstal, parent company and two main subsidiaries , FN HERSTAL, active in the Defense and Law Enforcement fields, and Browning / U.S. Repeating Arms Co., specializing in hunting /shooting marksmanship and outdoor sporting goods."

[Guns Network Staff]

Here is my universal reply to all things Colt, and if you feel I am attacking you, Colt Owners: FUCK COLT! I LONG FOR THE DAY THE MILITARY PICKS A NEW GUN FROM ANOTHER COMPANY AND PUTS COLT UNDER! COLT CAN BURN ON THE 7th LAYER OF HELL ALONGSIDE CLINTON FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE!!

I hear yeah unfortunitly whom ever makes the barrels for Colt has got the F/A market tied up pretty.

I have tried over 6 different barrel makers and ALL of them suck when it comes to full auto. You can count on a Colt barrel 100% of the time in full auto without any FTF's. Thus I will continue to buy and store barrels. I have like 8 pencil barrels along with 4 M4 barrels (2 LT & 2 Hvy. SOCOM), half of them 1/7 and the other 1/9.

So until someone can make a loose enough chamber as Colt does and whatever magic they do to them, I will stick with Colt.

[Tomac Yokctep]

What I did was get a kit from Mod.1 Sales and get a lower from who ever .

[ARMACK]

This Is Just My 2 Cents Which Isnt Worth That. I See Some Folks On Here Have Some Very Strong Likes And Dislikes When It Comes To Our Beloved Ar-15. So Without Getting Screamed And Hissed Off The Stage Here I Go. Colts Are Nice But Way Overpriced And I Have Seen Some Real Quality Control Problems With Some Of Their Products. After That I Dont Think You Can Find To Many Big Differences In Most Of The Ars Out There. My 16" Oly Can Hold Its Own Aganist My 20" Bushie At 100 Yds As Long As I Do My Part. I Dont See Dpms Getting Named Very Often. I Think Their Customer Service Has Much To Be Desired But They Do Build Decent Uppers And Lowers. My 2 Cents.

[Krupski]

This Is Just My 2 Cents Which Isnt Worth That. I See Some Folks On Here Have Some Very Strong Likes And Dislikes When It Comes To Our Beloved Ar-15.

I have two genuine Colt AR-6520 rifles (made in 1993) and two Bushmaster "6520 clones" newly made.

I've also seen newly made Colt rifles (like the 6721, 6920, etc..) and I can tell you that Colt appearance, quality, fit and finish... everything is the best I've seen.

The older ones (like my 1993 rifles) are even a little bit nicer... but not much different than a brand new Colt.

Bushmaster (in my opinion) rates about 85% of the quality of Colt.

But, if a Colt isn't on your radar screen, then your best bet is a Bushmaster.

Some other manufacturers sell AR rifles with CAST lowers (and possibly uppers as well).

The Bushmaster parts are ALL forged 7075 aluminum... which is what they're supposed to be.

If you want THE BEST AR - bar none - buy a Colt. If you want the best MAINSTREAM AR - buy a Bushy. They cost about $300 less too.

It's funny how much a Colt costs... considering that Military full auto M4 rifles cost only $500 each... :thud:

For $500 each... I'd buy 3 or 4 of them! :D

Roger

[Hunter_of_Gunmen]

Rock River Arms makes great lowers. They are the new guys and not that well known.
they just got several contracts from atf, dea and i believe fbi so they are making a damn good name for themselves

also dpms as well getting good name... especially the "Kitty Kat" AR 15 Shorty.

[thedaledoe]

I prefer The Daledoe brand on RRA lowers.. Better than anything I could buy complete from a manufacturer :D

[HKroniK]

Actualy, it blew up last week. Damn thing went putt putt, FFFFFFFFFFFFING, BOOOOM. Fire shot out from under the hood while we were doing 70 on I44! He popped the thing into neutral and pulled off the side of the road. You missed out on one sweet ride, the thing still had its one-time-only nitrous system! :rofl:
LMFAO! Glad to see it didn't ignite the nitro! :mouse KABOOM! sorry for the late reply, haven't visited AK-47(baddest mofoking site in the world).net in a minute..

My dad just sold that beast for 25k to his buddy. He did it WITHOUT my knowledge of course, I was gonna inherit that monster (god forbid) lmao!

1. colt (if you can find one and afford one)
2. bushmaster, rra ( take your pick)
:wtf: Fuck colt, Ten times over.. sorry for late response.. :buttkick:

[uzimon]

Well if you don't like colt don't buy one,and I do agree that the restricted models are overpriced but I still prefer colt.
6920s are down to $1100 if you look
and for COLT haters... :fy:

[Forster]

The Rock River complete lower i have (for future build) seems better in form and finish than the few Colt's and bushmaster i have shot.

[JE3146]

6920s are down to $1100 if you look
and for COLT haters... :fy:

Back at ya there craig :D

[GaryR]

This is like asking if you prefer blondes, brunettes or redheads.

Yes.

[M700Police]

6920s are down to $1100 if you look
and for COLT haters... :fy:

$1100 for a $800 AR? What a bargain. http://www.acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/tomato.gif

[JE3146]

$1100 for a $800 AR? What a bargain. http://www.acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/tomato.gif:nutkick:

haha.. 1 for M700

[StooperZero]

I'd recomend ummm..

NONE :D



Get something piston driven. Fal, AK, M96,Galil.

[ninner]

Buy a lower from RRA or DPMS and a kit from J&T distrubiting and you will have a badass rifle for under $500. My first was a Bushmaster V-match (I love IT) now I've built a DPMS in 223 and a RRA in 9mm.
all perfect.:dancin

[Epinephrine]

I saw in Shotgun News that you can buy a brand new. Gov't issue Colt M4A1 upper, complete with the awesome side swivel, FULL AR15 carrier (not the super safe milled carrer!) and the M4 logo on the upper receiver for the low low price of $799! You can even buy another Colt M4 carrier assembly for $169, or a "slightly used" one for $129!!! w00t! Fuck LMT, I want a new Colt M4 upper! :rolleyes:

[bwasp]

I noticed Rock River isn't in the pole either. I am also looking for my 1st AR15. Seem to be focusing on the Bushmaster Carbon 15 line. I have held the 97S - 4 pounds. Did not shoot. Some say it is too light. Also looking at Rock River Arms - which has quite a number of options for each of its models, for barrels, grips, sights, triggers etc. Looking for a flat top there. Does anyone have any experience

[imanaknut]

This thread/poll is almost 4 years old!!!

And the debate goes on...

[Epinephrine]

fREAKY sCARY!!!!

[JE3146]

Wonder if I should remake this poll. Add some current makers?

[thedaledoe]

Wonder if I should remake this poll. Add some current makers?
I think thats a good idea.

[JE3146]

ok so we got...

Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS, Olympic Arms, Rock River Arms

anyone want any others? coulda do the second tier as well. Lietner Wise, DSA, Fulton Armory, KAC, Barret, H&K...

[thedaledoe]

dont forget stag and lmt..atleast stag.. since they are sponsors :)

[M700Police]

It should only include manufacturers that offer a complete rifle from the factory with a warranty in my opinion. Would kind of reign in the choices a bit.

This isn't a "build your ideal AR from pieces" thread. ;)

[Ash410]

I still think Stag should be on there.

Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS, Olympic Arms, Rock River Arms, Stag Arms

I think that'll suffice. If not I can always delete it :D


EDIT:: Just realized I posted from Ashley's account on her computer. This is JE3146 :lol:

[Epinephrine]

Never knew she had an account. When the hell did this happen? She needs to get posting man!

[RavenWarrior]

My first 3 AR15's were all pre-ban Colts. I later discovered Bushmaster and like it the best for a weapon you are going to shoot and use. The Colt is good but more expensive and may hold its value better than the Bushmaster but I dont believe it is a better rifle than the Bushmaster. The two AR15's I currently own are a pre-ban Colt Comp H-bar and a Mock M4A1 Bushmaster with the Knight's Armament rail system handguard.

[jhrobert]

I may as well add my 2 cents worth. I've owned a few Colt's also. One was a Government Pre Ban. Nice rifle for sure. The other was a Sporter Match H-Bar. Pain in the ass and would sometimes go into full auto 3-4 round burst after a 100 rounds or so. It was fine after pulling the gun apart and cleaning out the trigger assembly. Sold both of them and bought a Bushmaster Varminter stainless steel barrel. I should have kept the Colt Government model as an investment. No sear block and the original green finish with collapsable stock. I do love my Bushy.

[jman]

None, The AR15 is a cheezy weapon at best.

[Hunter_of_Gunmen]

who needs a warranty... just kidding... if you got everyone i here that can help..
ABC's..... I prefer Bush,colt, and Rock River ( damn good and durable) they are the new guys on the block and even got several govt, contracts FBI, DEA, AND SECRET SERVICE

[M700Police]

None, The AR15 is a cheezy weapon at best.


:rolleyes:

[HDR]

None, The AR15 is a cheezy weapon at best.

You need to get out more

and do some shooting when you are out.

[StooperZero]

I sold my .223 gun and bought a pistol that cost more then almost any of your AR's :thumbsdow :usuck:

[Rooftop voter]

I'll give you one guess.

[Ivan8883]

I also Vote for My 16inch Olympic 2005 shorty! It has the 1 in 9 twist, chrome barrel, preban features of the lug and birdcage flashhider and a collapsible stock of high quality(4 positions).The rifle is a tackj driver with or without the scope. No play also. I grabbed it a t a pawnshop where the previous owner didnt pay his loan. Fantasatic deal for $725.00 out the door. Have been without any Ar's since the mid nineties when I sold my last Ar(Colt shorty). I swear this AR shoots better than ANY Ar's I have owned before and I once had a good collection of Ar's. I believe manufactuirng improvements have made a difference in then AR's made today. From what I have seen(lifetime guarantee from Olympic) cant do any better. But , as I remember from the Old days, Keep the AR 's carbon deposits to a minumum! The AR just maufactures carbon deposits. The nature of the Beast. THat tail of the bolt is One place to keep clean!I LOve my two AK74's and wont sell Them. But glad I returned to t eh AR Fold!

[NWguy83]

I went to 3 gun stores when I was looking to buy my AR. They all said the same thing when I asked them to rank the 3 best manufactures.

1. Armalite "excellent"
2. Rock Rover "good"
3. (tie) Bushmaster & DPMS Panther "decent"

The only only thing they said about Olympic Arms was that they were pretty lacking in quality lately. And they said Colt had been lacking little. We didn't talk about Eagle or anyone else.

I went to 3 gun stores when I was looking to buy my AR. They all said the same thing when I asked them to rank the 3 best manufactures.

1. Armalite "excellent"
2. Rock River "good"
3. (tie) Bushmaster & DPMS Panther "decent"

The only only thing they said about Olympic Arms was that they were pretty lacking in quality lately. And they said Colt had been lacking little. We didn't talk about Eagle or anyone else.

I went to 3 gun stores when I was looking to buy my AR. They all said the same thing when I asked them to rank the 3 best manufactures.

1. Armalite "excellent"
2. Rock Rover "good"
3. (tie) Bushmaster & DPMS Panther "decent"

The only only thing they said about Olympic Arms was that they were pretty lacking in quality lately. And they said Colt had been lacking little. We didn't talk about Eagle or anyone else.

Thats what I get for trying to type fast, I meant River not Rover.

[Ivan8883]

Olympic Arms "lacking in quality"? Never heard that before. Like I posted earlier, I found this Olympic Arms AR type to be better made and more accurate than the Colts and Bushmasters of various configurations I had back in the 80's. But just My view point.

[NWguy83]

I don't know, thats just what the guy at one gun store told me. He said they stopped carrying Olympic after supposedly having a few problems with them.

[AyKay]

My one and only AR15, an Eagle Arms preban M4C carbine, has been rock solid since I bought it in 1997. Not a single part has needed replacement. Total mileage on it I'd say past 6000 rounds and has gone over 1000 troublefree at one time without cleaning - just like my AKM.
If I ever come across another factory complete preban Eagle again, I will surely buy it and recommend anyone else do the same. Damned good guns...nothing has loosened and the finish is unbelievably durable @ 95%+ (I'm not that good at taking care of guns). Of the 22 guns I've ever owned, this little AR has been the most rewarding for me.

Having said that, and if I never see another Eagle again, I'd be happy to get a Bushmaster 20"er...or even an RRA.

[Meatsaw]

I bought my 1st AR last week, an Olympic M4/A3. Fired 400 rnds thru it without an issue out of the box. Although I am not ready to give up my AK, it seems to be a very well made rifle. They had a Bushy fixed handle for the same price. The flat top and lifetime warranty vs 1 year and fixed top sold me on the Oly.