WHATS WRONG WITH MY AK?

[alphakilo]

When i'm out plinking with my AK it sometimes does'nt cock. What i mean to say is, when i'm rapidly squeesing the trigger or sometines just pulling off a few rounds slowly the firing pin does'nt engage and nothing happens when i pull the trigger again. So then i pull back the bolt and almost every time with out remembering the last time i look at the chamber and get a
7.62+39mm fat lip! Can anyone tell me what the problem might be? (not the fat lip problem, but the engaging problem).
ALPHAKILO

[backblast]

It sounds as if your disconnector is not engaging consistantly. What is happening, is your disconnector is supposed to engage the hammer and hold it back wating for the next trigger pull, but instead of engaging, the hammer is riding the bolt freely as it goes into battery with a fresh round.

What type of rifle is this. If it a SAR series rifle, Century will fix it free of charge, or you can purchase an FSE fire control package and be off and running. Some of Century's fire control groups were a little less than desired.

Keep us up on what you do. http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif

Hope that helps.
cya

[alphakilo]

Thanks BACKBLAST,
It is a Chinese Norinco underfold reciever.
Not sure what a FSE fire control package is.
How much do they cost?
(the defenition of illegal is a sick bird)
ALPHAKILO!

[backblast]

Hmmmm, intersting. Your Norinco should have the original internals.

You could disassemble, inspect for any damaged areas on your fire control group. Or obtain a new Chinese set and replace them.

Inspect your internal first and tell us what you find.

Worth a shot.

cya

[Ironhandjohn]

A.K.:If this is the same rifle you described in another post, you need to check to see if the internals were monkeyed with in any way!! Chinese internals are some of the best, so poor quality control is a long-shot. Check them for evidence of home grinding or filing. Good luck!!

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It's really simple,just follow steering and flow with it. You see, Ironhand's my thing!

[alphakilo]

Yes, This is the same rifle in the other post. I am looking at the internals right now and i can't see anything out of the ordinary. All of the #'s match and everything seems to be OK. I've had alot of different types of AK-47's and i've never had this problem before.
WHAT THE FU#%?
ALPHAKILO!

[alphakilo]

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[slapshot]

If you pull the diconnector out you may find that hte spring that goes under the disconnector is gone, dammaged, or stuck up in the hole. This is a common problem with every Ak, most of the time it is just spring failure. The spring is about $2.00.
If that is not it then ther is two other items thta you can check but without looking at it myself I would bet thats it.

Season Greeting to all,
Sam.

[sweede]

If all else fails, order a matched U.S. hammer, diconnector & trigger parts set from Classic Arms for $30.00. However, you need to do it by Jan 11th because they are moving.

800-383-8011 / 704-821-6878

[arcom]

The rifle could be short stroking--bolt doean't go fully to the rear--if you're holding the rifle loosely and the recoil is absorbed by the weapon moving without leaving enough to cycle the action. In handguns, it's called "limp wristing."

[MickeyMose]

Do you have a recoil buffer in it? If so, remove and try again! These have been known to cause some problems now and then. Next time it happens, Place gun on safe and remove top cover. Is hammer on bolt or still cocked? Helps you understand the problem a little better.

[alphakilo]

Thanks everyone!
No recoil buffer,I'll try that next time M.M. and see if the hammer is in the proper position. Man i must be brain dead not to have thought of that http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/rolleyes.gif. I don't want to put U.S. parts in or on my weapon. I'll check it out and get back to you later.
Thanks again,
ALPHAKILO!
(THE DEFENITION OF ILLEGAL IS A SICK BIRD!)

[alphakilo]

Hello again,
I was out shooting yesterday evening and it happened again. After about 20 rounds it malfunctioned. I did as mickey mouse suggested and the hammer was resting on the bolt. I then ejected the round and as usual it was a full unfired round. What do you suppose is causeing this? I dont want to put U.S. parts in my rifles. Nothing looks worn enough to cause this. HELP!!
ALPHAKILO! http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by alphakilo (edited 03-08-2001).]

[sfc ret]

alphakilo, from your last post, when you say "the hammer was laying and the bolt" are you saying the hammer was laying ON the bolt? in other words.....did the hammer strike the firing pin, but didn't have the force to fire the round? if that is the case, it could be that the firing pin is 1) worn enough that it will fire a few rounds, but isn't firing all of the rounds. or, 2) you might have some ammo that have bad primers.......is there a indent on the primer that didn't fire? and if so, look at the ones that did fire, and compare it to, the one that didn't fire. if the primers all have the same firing pin indents...in other words, the round that didn't fire, does NOT have a slight indent. I would be suspecious of the primers in that batch of rounds. if the round that didn't fire HAS a slight indent.....then it could be the firing pin is worn.

if however, the hammer is still in the read to fire position, hammer is down.....I would suspect that the disconnector is not doing it's job in releasing the hammer enough, after the last cycle, and before pulling the trigger again and letting the hammer completely disengage from the disconnector. I would perform a lot of fuction checks, to see if that is the case.
do this....cock the weapon then dry fire it.........then hold back the trigger, recock the rifle......then slowly release the trigger, you should hear a click.....that's the disconnector releasing the hammer just enough, so that when you pull the trigger the hammer should fully release and hit the firing pin. I would do this a number of times, because it maybe a one in 20 or 30 time event. it could be that the spring under the disconnector, is weak OR the disconnector is worn...... OR the spring is worn, and the disconnector is worn. there isn't that much else about the trigger group that could go wrong, except for those 2 pieces. hope this helps.



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[alphakilo]

Thanks for the reply sfc ret,
Nothing is worn that i can see. The firing pin is in great shape. The spring under the disconnecter is in tact and looks good also.
I tryed the dry fire test until i could'nt stand it any more, and nothing happened out of the ordinary. On the round that does not fire, there is no dent on the primer. What i ment to type on the last post, was that when it acts up , the hammer is laying on the bolt, and not in the firing position. It's like the hammer is riding the bolt and carrier every once and a while. Like i said, it only does it once in a while, but i can't have a rifle that's not dependable. I hope that this helps you help me. Thanks again,
ALPHAKILO!

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[Ironhandjohn]

I had a Maadi a few years ago that did something similar, and the cause was the hammer spring was not installed correctly. Apparently one of the previous owners took the trigger assembly apart and didn't get it back together correctly. The only difference between mine and yours is that the gun would fire, but not re-cock correctly every time, not intermittently, as yours is apparently doing. Worth a shot.......no pun intended http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/wink.gif

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It's really simple,just follow steering and flow with it. You see, Ironhand's my thing!

[alphakilo]

O.K. Ironhandjohn,
I'll look at that spring again and make sure it is correctly installed.
Thanks for the suggestion.
ALPHAKILO!

[This message has been edited by alphakilo (edited 03-11-2001).]