Tell me about my V24/47

[zouavexx]

I have a V24/47 that I picked up in excellent condition last fall.

Question 1
Some people say that all V24/47 rifles are post war because they say "MV24/47" on them but not restamped over "V24". If this is true then why does my rifle also say "preduetze 44" along the left side of the receiver? This indicates to me that the rifle is actually a K98 rework. The rifle is riddled with various proof marks, but I have been unable to find a coveted swastica, yet.
http://album.gunsnet.net/data/zouave/14_p1528.jpg

Additionally, this gun (except for the stock) is for all practical purposes, new.

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/zouave/14_p1529.jpg

Question 2
On a related topic, I have only tried to fire this rifle once (2 weeks ago). It would not fire, I was getting week strikes on the primers.

I disassembled the bolt and cleaned out any cosmoline in there, and I assume because it was so cold out that day the small amount of cosmoline in it slowed down the spring enough to cause the week strike. Does this sound like a reasonable explanation? The parts are like "new". I have not yet had a chance to fire it again, so I am hoping that worked.

Question 3
The safety on the rifle is tight and much harder to turn to safe than my turks. Is this normal, could it be because the part is not "broken in" yet?

I look forward to your advice and suggestions.

Zouave

[Gremlin]

I also have a 24/47 but mine is a M24/47. I havent been able to I.D. the crest, but it has about 4 swasticas on the wood. The bad part is that it's been sporterized. Stock cut down, new 16" barrel chambered in 308. Who ever did the work was an artist, just a retarded one for choosing this rifle. One more question, whats the deal with the two blank disk on the stock with the hole going through to both sides?
Gremlin

[REDSTAR]

1) Not sure about that. Sounds interesting.
2) Probably was the cosmo.
3) The safeties on my Yugos are tight too, probably just the way they are.

Nice pics!

[Schuetzenman]

Originally posted by zouave
I have a V24/47 that I picked up in excellent condition last fall.

Question 1
Some people say that all V24/47 rifles are post war because they say "MV24/47" on them but not restamped over "V24". If this is true then why does my rifle also say "preduetze 44" along the left side of the receiver? This indicates to me that the rifle is actually a K98 rework. The rifle is riddled with various proof marks, but I have been unable to find a coveted swastica, yet.
http://album.gunsnet.net/data/zouave/14_p1528.jpg

Additionally, this gun (except for the stock) is for all practical purposes, new.

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/zouave/14_p1529.jpg

Question 2
On a related topic, I have only tried to fire this rifle once (2 weeks ago). It would not fire, I was getting week strikes on the primers.

I disassembled the bolt and cleaned out any cosmoline in there, and I assume because it was so cold out that day the small amount of cosmoline in it slowed down the spring enough to cause the week strike. Does this sound like a reasonable explanation? The parts are like "new". I have not yet had a chance to fire it again, so I am hoping that worked.

Question 3
The safety on the rifle is tight and much harder to turn to safe than my turks. Is this normal, could it be because the part is not "broken in" yet?

I look forward to your advice and suggestions.

Zouave

Well Zouave let's see if I can decode this enigma. VZ24's are Czech rifles of course. You say yours has the Preduze 44 on it. The Czech's didn't put Preduze 44 on their rifles as far as I know but the Yugoslavs do. So, I'm thinking your's is a captured Czech VZ24 that was reworked by the Yugoslavs. Does it have a Czech or Yugoslav crest on the front receiver ring? I'm betting it's a Yugoslav crest. I'd post a pic of one but I don't have any of my Yugo rifles here or any digital pics of the crests yet.

Anyway the Preduze 44 thing does not indicate to me it's a K98k German, it indicates to me it's a reworked Czech rifle done in Yugoslavia.

On question 2 . . . . small amounts of cosmoline in cold weather are very efficient in slowing down firing pin speed. I was out shooting with NC_Rebel today and others and a similar thing happened here. BTW we were about 55 degrees in the sun. Another shooter from the club showed up with a Yugo M48A and tried to fire it. It would not go off. He showed me the firing pin indent on the primer and it was very shallow even after 2 hits.

I said, "that's not near deep enough have you stripped down the bolt". He said, "I spraked some carberator cleaner in it to clean it out". I said, "that's not going to cut it for a bolt packed with cosmoline". I asked if he knew how to disassemble the bolt. No was the answer via a blank stare resembling a deer in your headlights look. So, I show how to flip up the safety, pull bolt, unscrew head, compress firing pin spring, rotate cocking piece and pull off, etc. The sucker was nasty with cosmoline.

So . . . yes, I think your problem with non ignition is due to the cosmoline inside the bolt and on the firing pin and spring. You're in NY and I bet it was a bunch colder than 55 when you were shooting. :D

Question 3, the safety being tight. Well if it's rebuilt by the Yugoslavs they probably put a new safety on it and it is a tight fit. It might wear in or you might have to stone it and then do a reblue to it to get smooth function. Other option is to stone the groove in the cocking piece that it engages, touch up with Oxpho blue and all will be well! ;)

[zouavexx]

Originally posted by Schuetzenman

[quote]

Well Zouave let's see if I can decode this enigma. VZ24's are Czech rifles of course. You say yours has the Preduze 44 on it. The Czech's didn't put Preduze 44 on their rifles as far as I know but the Yugoslavs do. So, I'm thinking your's is a captured Czech VZ24 that was reworked by the Yugoslavs. Does it have a Czech or Yugoslav crest on the front receiver ring? I'm betting it's a Yugoslav crest. I'd post a pic of one but I don't have any of my Yugo rifles here or any digital pics of the crests yet.

It has a crest on the receiver but it is a "weak strike" and I can't tell what it is. When I bought the rifle It was sold to me as a Yugo.

Anyway the Preduze 44 thing does not indicate to me it's a K98k German, it indicates to me it's a reworked Czech rifle done in Yugoslavia.

Half the fun of Old military rifles is trying to decode them, it is so interesting to learn all the little secrets.

On question 2 . . . . small amounts of cosmoline in cold weather are very efficient in slowing down firing pin speed. I was out shooting with NC_Rebel today and others and a similar thing happened here. BTW we were about 55 degrees in the sun. Another shooter from the club showed up with a Yugo M48A and tried to fire it. It would not go off. He showed me the firing pin indent on the primer and it was very shallow even after 2 hits.

I said, "that's not near deep enough have you stripped down the bolt". He said, "I spraked some carberator cleaner in it to clean it out". I said, "that's not going to cut it for a bolt packed with cosmoline". I asked if he knew how to disassemble the bolt. No was the answer via a blank stare resembling a deer in your headlights look. So, I show how to flip up the safety, pull bolt, unscrew head, compress firing pin spring, rotate cocking piece and pull off, etc. The sucker was nasty with cosmoline.

So . . . yes, I think your problem with non ignition is due to the cosmoline inside the bolt and on the firing pin and spring. You're in NY and I bet it was a bunch colder than 55 when you were shooting. :D

Good, hopefully I fixed that problem. There was only a small amount in mine, but it must have been enough to screw with the pin.

Question 3, the safety being tight. Well if it's rebuilt by the Yugoslavs they probably put a new safety on it and it is a tight fit. It might wear in or you might have to stone it and then do a reblue to it to get smooth function. Other option is to stone the groove in the cocking piece that it engages, touch up with Oxpho blue and all will be well! ;)

Thats what I thought too, Thanks for the info, Schuetzenman!