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Mac_Muz
01-31-2002, 06:52 PM
I have a Mauser Modle 93 Spanish in a Full Manlicher stock. This was rebarreled to shoot 6.5mm x 54 Manlicher Schoenauer. Not to be confused with 6.5 x 54 Mauser.

I would like to shoot this gun, and Norma makes this for $70.00 a box of 20 rounds once every other blue moon.

So what I need to know is what do I need to get done to re-chamber for 6.5 x 55 Swedish?

Would the bolt need work?

I at one time tried to fire form Carcano which is different head diameter, with a 53mm case. That didn't make cases.

I can chamber 6.5 x 54 Mausers, but did not get to shoot it, and those are hard to come by anyway.

The brass I have now was last reloaded in 1961, and is not in great shape, even though I have about 60 rounds. This stuff is in boxes called Dominion and only labled 6.5, made in CANADA. I did not skip x 54mm...... the box does not say case length...go figure....

I can not close the bolt with a 6.5 x 55 Swedish shell. A good thing I think so far...

This is about as far as I get, when a knowing gun guy tells me I am a liar...... saying there is no such thing.

Next the marks on this gun get me in all kinds of trouble.

On the reciever it says starting with the serial number, and you will like this...
A little picture of:
Saturn G 31xx,then a star of David
behind that it says
MANUFAFACTURA LOEWE BRELIN

The follower plate has a malteze cross, and the bolt release has some other type cross each side a quarter circle )( sort of thing.

On the bolt arm which is turned down, or bent there is another star of David, and on the ball there is another Saturn.

On the bolt sleeve where the safety mounts there is another 6 point star, but not the star of David, this is also made with quarter circles )(, and followed by a 79.

The lever for releasing the bolt from the reciever has 2 crosses, 1 is the malteze type and the other is made of )( shapes.

The trigger/mag box has matching numbers found on the reciever, but the mark there looks like a atom, and the atom is found again mag release button/plunger.
The screws that hold the trigger/mag box also have stars of this curved type )(

the stock and barrel are no way military, and the barrel only has PATE showing before it goes into the reciever. I think it say Patented prolly?

The stock is great looking walnut with a wicked nasty burl at the butt. The pistol grip is checkered nicely, and fitted with a black cap of unknown material.

The butt stock plate is steel, and checkered.

There is a Williams peep sight mounted just before the bolt and on the same side as the bolt handle.

This gun cocks on closing the bolt.

There is a nice fitting at the muzzel, a cap that protects the wood, ad wraps the barrel stopping at the sight ramp.

So... again what I would like to know is what needs done to re-chamber this to 6.5x 55? Mac

neilwest
02-02-2002, 07:42 PM
1. I need to see the gun and visualize exactly what you have. The discription has left me guessing. Try to PM Redstar as he is a Mauser affecianado.

REDSTAR
02-03-2002, 12:43 AM
I posted to this thread on GD, best I could figure was it was a Boer rifle of sorts.

Mac_Muz
02-03-2002, 06:47 PM
Jerry Kuhnhausen desribes this gun, as well has photos of the action, trigger assembly, and other details that are now gone, since the 6.5mmx54 M.S. barrel can't be original. Also the stock is far from original, becayse if they issued wood this nice no one would fight!

The boer seems to be yet a varient of the M-93 action, and the site does not tell what the diff is between the 93 and the boer. I would say this gun does have some, and then more markings described for the boer.

I will post pics soon, but my camera won't do the vital close ups showing the marks such as the Saturn (looks like Saturn with 1 ring to me) A variety of stars and crosses , 2 of each type I guess, and the last looks like a Atom with 3 rings.

Since the stock is a Manlicher full stocked sporter, and the barrel is a who knows what with only PATE read able, no marking else where that I can find, it is only the action, trigger, anf magazine box that we even stand a chance on ID ing.

I am curious about what this bolt face can seat in the way of cartrdrige heads as is. I think this must have used 7x 57 originaly, but I have no shell to measure.

It seems this gun may like the K-98 be made to fire many different cases. But what if anything must be done to the bolt face to do so?

If the answer is the 7mm case is so close in head diameter that the bolt can be used with 6.5x55 mauser, 6.5x54 MS, 6.5x53 Carcano, and others, to me that is half the battle, and half the answers.

I just want to be able to shoot it. I don't believe I can replace it with any amount of money, so selling is not a good option.

I was pointed to a site that does have the ammo for 1/2 of what I thought I would have to spend which was 70 bucks a box of 20.

Just that amount is prohibitive for me...... Thanks for the help and all the info...... I'll do my part soon and get a few pics for you. Mac

neilwest
02-07-2002, 09:35 AM
1. You Go Daddy. That was a very infomative response. I printed it a put it with my Pic of the weeks info in case I ever run into one.