Grass roots effort? Anyone want to help?

[Twisted Cross]

Hello all,

Everyday people post here about some Org or Company that has done something against gun owners or has an anti gun stance. Everyday people come to these threads and bitch about said company or Org (myself included).

What I am proposing is a grass roots effort to send e-mails to these companies and let them know they lost a customer or possibly multiple customers. We could use a thread to post the e-mail of these jerks and post our sample e-mails for other people to paste and copy to send through their e-mail. I have no interest in a power trip or making rules for this, I just want to do something on a level that us little guys can do. I already started firing off letters to reps and companies over the last month in this effort.

At this time we have a powerful communication tool at our disposal "The Internet" If we duplicate efforts we could spend maybe 10-15 mins every couple of days sending these messages out. It can be done in the time everyone spends cruising this site.

I am dead serious about this! If your interested start posting people, companies, and orgs that have an anti gun stance. If you don't have a good e-mail address for them we will find them. If they don't have e-mail at all we can get a fax number some how. If you don't feel like being involved, but you know of a group that is anti gun post it anyway and I or someone else will send them a note.

I don't care what kind of message you want to send, just send something to let them know of your displeasure.

Thanks,
SangRun

[Twisted Cross]

Just something to remember if you don't do anything......

(I grabbed this from another thread)

I thought these gun buyback prices for Austrailia were interesting. the current exchange rate is 100 Aussie dollars = 50 US dollars (ie divide all the prices in half). The spacing is a little messed up on used vs new but you get the idea.

1. Is my gun up for grabs? and if so, how much will I receive?

MILITARY STYLE SELF LOADING RIFLES

TYPE USED NEW
AK47 (Qld copy) $1,486 $1,800<
AR15 BPI $2,300
Arlo $1,800
ArmiJager AP15 7.65 pistol cart $100
Australian Automatic Arms - SAR-SAC-SP $900 $1,800
Brno VZ52/57 7.62 x 38 $498
Dragunov 7.62 x 54 rim $1,900
FN FAL .308 $2,480
FN 49 30/06 $400
FN 7mm $1,000
FN 8mm $1,000
Hakim 8mm $300
Johnson 30/06 $750
Johnson 7mm $1,200
L1A1 SLR $2,400
Ljungman 6.5 x 55 $300
M1 .30 carbine $280
M1 Carbine (Inland) $1,500
Ml Carbine (Irwin Pederson) $750
M1 Carbine (Plainfiold D-Day Comm) $800 $1,250
Ml Carbine (Plainfield) $400 $500
M1 Carbine (Underwood) $299
Ml Carbine (Universal) $296
Ml Carbine (Winchester) $360
MI Garand 30/06 $950
M14 $1,500
M14 .308 $1,750
MlAl Springfield Standard $1,900
MlAl Springfleld "Match" $2,100
Maagun 7.62mm x 39mm $400
MAS 7.5mm $200
Mauser carbine 9mm/7.62mm pistol cart $200
Norinco M1A1 .306 $600
Ruger Mini 14 Stainless stool $680 $1,050
Ruger Mini 14 $500 $960
Ruger Mini 30 $500 $980
SKK Carbine $400 $600
SKK Polytech $500
SKS Carbine $250 $450
Tokarov 7.62mm x 54mm.rim $800
Walther K43 ave 45 $100
Walther G43 $1,200
Walthar G41 $1,200



CENTRE FIRE SELF LOADING RIFLES NON MILITARY

TYPE USED NEW
Browning BAR M11 "Boss" Magnum $1,200.00 $1,844.00
Browning BAR $900.00 $1,525.00
Browning BAR Magnum $1,000.00 $1,633.00
Browning BAR Mk11 "Boss"Std. $1,000.00 $1,736.00
Browning Belgium BAR Type 4 engraved $2,260.00
Heckler and Koch 660 $1,500.00
Heckler and Koch SL6 $2,000.00
Heckler and Koch SL7 $2,000.00
Heckler and Koch 770 $1,800.00
Marlin MA45 .46ACP $300.00 $480.00
Marlin MA9mrn 9mm calibre $300.00 $480.00
Rernington "Woodmaster" $705.00
Remington M742.308 $750.00 $1,200.00
Ruger..44 Meg. $600.00 $700.00
Valmet "Hunter" $1,000.00 $1,800.00



PUMP ACTION SHOTGUNS

TYPE USED NEW
Atis $500
Bentley 30 DLX $200 $448
Bentley 30C "Black" $280 $482
Elentlay 30D interchoke $300 $499
Bentley 30K 8 shot $270 $430
Bentley 30R $245
Bentley M30 $195 $395
Bentley M30C $250
Bentley SAS $200 $633
Beretta RS200 $500 $650
Beretta Oliver Pigoon $450
Browning BPS Buck Special $1,120
Browning BPS Deer Special $1,299
Browning Hunter $1,151
Brownine Hunter "magnum' $1,437
CBC - Magtech $200 $351
CBC Magtech Rifle sight barrel $350 $500
CBC Mactech (Inter chokes - vent rib) $385 $550
CEC Magtech 586 $325 $480
CIBC Mariner $320 $600
Commercial Marketing CMC "Mountaineer" $450 $600
Fabarm 8.D.A.S.S. $480 $590
Fobarm 8 shot S.D.A.S.S. 12g $450 $885
Fabarm 8 shot Synthetic 12g $450 $885
Fabarm Interchoke $600 $700
Fabarm Supergoose 36 Synthetic $700 $1,465
Fabarm 12g 6 shot Multi Choke $450 $1,070
Franchi SPS $550 $700
Ithaca $290 $500
Marlin Glenfield $30 $450
Mossberg 500 "Persuader" $388
Mossberg "Maverick" $270 $420
Mossberg "Turkey" $270 $430
Mossberg 500 "Military" $473
Mossberg 500 "Combo" $432
Mossberg 500 "Crown Grade" $497
Mossberg 600 "Military" Parkerised $400 $638
Mossberg 400 "Slugster" $300 $500
Mossberg 550A $450
Mossberg 590 $480 $600
Mossberg 5500
Mossberg Mariner $360 $642
Norinco HL 12 .102 $200 $350
Remington 870 "Wingmaster" $450 $720
Remington 870 Game Synthetic $600 $700
Remington 870 Deer Gun Express $400 $690
Remington 870 Express $400 $550
Remington 870 Express Synthetic $450 $589
Remington 870 Express Turkey $450 $550
Remington 870 Express Combo Synthetic $600 $700
Remington 870 Marine $700 $850
Remington 870 Trap $900 $1,100
Remington Express Magnum $400 $500
Remington 870 Marine $700 $850
Remington 870 SPS $470 $700
Smith and Wesson 916B - 3000 - 916A $250
Stevens $350
Stevens 77E - 77F $150
Stevens 520 $800
Stirling La Salle $300 $400
Weatherby Centurion 92 $490 $500
Westernfield 550CD $100
Winchester 42 ST 410ga $500 $800
Wlnchester 42 Skeet 410ga $700 $1,100
Winchester 1300 "Ranger" $525 $730
Winchester "Defender" $525 $670
Winchester "Trench Gun 1893 and 1897" $350
Winchester 1200 $395
Winchester 1300 "Combo" $550 $865
Winchester 1300 stainless "Marine" $600 $1,065
Winchester 1300 XTR $450 $650
Winchester 1911 $450 $750
Winchester 1912 $500 $800
Winchester Mod 12 $750 $1,000
Winchester Mod 12 Trap and Skeet $900 $1,200
Winchester Mod 12 20ga $150 $1,000
Winchester Mod 12 16ga $750 $1,000


SELF LOADING SHOTGUNS

TYPE USED NEW
Atis $399
Benelli Super 90 $800 $1,200
Benelli 121 $900 $1,700
Bentley "Pointer" $450
Beretta 1200F "Riot" $700 $1,230
Beretta 302 $700
Beretta 303 $700
Beretta A300 - A301 $750
Beretta "Vitoria" $700 $950
Beretta 1201F $990 $1,515
Beretta A3908T $1,250 $1,976
19ioratts A3908T "Delux" $1,800 $2,445
Beretta A390 $900 $1,350
Breda $595
Breda A Magnum $650 $800
Breda-Gemma $450
Breda Altair Type 1 Engraved $650
Breda Altair Type 3 Engraved $700
Breda A Simple engraved $650 $800
Browning "Gold" gas operated $750 $1,565
Browning - Belgium A5 $1,100 $1,832
Browning 2 shot trap $550
Browning A5 16 gauge $1,200
Browning A5 (Japan) $1,000 $1,778
Browning A5 20 gauge $1,100 $1,778
Browning A5 Engraved Type 1 $850
Browning A5 Light Twelve $875
Diawa A5 $700
Fabarm Euggi Standard $600 1,454
Fabarm Euggi Deluxe $750 $1,454
Franchi Black Magic $600 $800
Franchi "Elite" $700
Franchi SPAS $890 $1,655
Franchi 500,520 $700
Frahchi 48A $400 $550
Franchi Prestigo $600 $1,000
Fuji Dynamio $450
KFC $550
Heckler and Koch $1,200
Mossberg M9200 $626
Mossberg "Viking" $326
Mossberg 5500 $450
Nikko "Shadow" $576
Norinco SA 3 shot $420
Omar $399
Parker Hale $750
Remington 42 $800
Remington "Sportsman 58" $400
Remington 11/87 $1,300 $1,500
Remington 11/87 Police $900 $1,100
Remington Mod 11 $400 $600
Remington 1100 $590 $950
Remington SPS $950 $1,150
Savage A5 $800
Savage "Military Stamped" $399
SKB A200 $400
SKB 1300 $600
SKS 1900 12G and 20G $650
SKE Model Al00 $300
Smith and Wesson 1000 $500
Sportco "model 88" - "103" $200
Stirling " La Salle" (France) $200
Stirling "Classic 600" $200
Weatherby $450
Winchester Model 1 "Super X" $895
Winchester 1400 $350
Winchester 1911 $750
Winchester Model 50 $425
Winchester Model 59 $450


.22 RIMFIRE SELF LOADING RIFLES - LIST A

TYPE USED NEW
Adler/ Armi Jager AP74 (MIS lookalike) $600 $895
Adler/ Armi Jager AP80 (AK47 lookalike) $650 $990
A.J.D. Herstal $100
AMT 22M .22 magnum stainless $580 $992
AMT (10/22 look-a-like) $150 $450
Anschutz 520 10 shot $250
Armalite/Charter Arms AR7 $290 $390
B.S.A "Raylock" $60
Beretta "Super Sports" $345
Beretta .22 S/L $295
Branchl - para carabina $350
Brno .22 S/L $250
Brno 581 $150
Brno M581 $250
Brno ZKM 611 .22 magnum $485
Browning (take-down) - Model A $300 $690
Browning (take-down) - Model B $500
Browning BAR 15 shot $300
Browning BAR 22 $250
BSA Armatic $80
CSC Nylon 66 standard $90 $149
CSC Nylon 66 Delux Blue $150 $220
CBC Nylon 66 Delux Chrome $160 $240
Erma $275
Erma Eml $260
Erma Ml22 $260
Fieldman $80
Franchl $150
Gevarm E1 $200
Gevarm .22 S/L A6 and A7 $295
Glenfield M60 $100
Glenfield M70 $100
Harrington and Richardson (H&R.22 rnctg $450
Heckler and Koch (H&K 300 .22 magnum $985
Hi Standard "SportKing" A100 $70
Hi Standard "SportKing" A103. $70
Jager M16 look-a-like $250 $490
Krico $200
Landman $80
Mahely M - 21 $50
Marlin M70 $80
Marlin .22 mag MA922M $280 $463
Marlin MA990 $120 $263
Marlin MA995SS $130 $273
Marlin .22 magnum $350 $595
Marlin 70 HC $130 $295
Marlin 989M2 $80
Marlin 995 $100
Marlin MA 60 $100 $187
Marlin MA80SS $130 $281
Marlin Papoose $250 $425
Marocchi SN64 $100
Mossberg 352 KA 350K $100
Mossberg 380S $120 $195
Mossberg 26C $100
Mossberg 453T - 377 $100
Mossberg M352 KB $99
Mossberg M380 $100
Norinco JW 20 $100 $186
Remington 550-1 $120
Remington 522 $275 $490
Remington 522 Viper $200 $389
Remington M66 Nylon $90
RubyExtra $60
Ruger 10/22 dolux $250 $420
Ruger International (Mannlicher Stock) $400
Ruger 10/22 blued $200 $260
Ruger 10/22 ss $250 $429
Sabatti heavy barrel $324 $460
Sabatti standard $295 $395
Sportco M71A - 71S - 73 - 73A - 87A $120
Sportomatic M2 $60
Squibman $79
Squibman 20A $80
Steven M87 H $70
Stirling (French) $100
Stirling M20 series $100 $225
Stirling Ml6 $90
Unique Famas (Assault Rifle Copy) $1,000
Unique X5l $521
Voere $100
Weatherby XX11 $250
Wnchester "Cooey" 64B $120
Winchester 100 $200
Winchester 1903 $350
Winchester 490 $295
Winchester 290 $175
Winchester 74 $326
Winchester 84 $175
Winchester 64 $175
Winchester 77 $176
Winchester 03 $175



RESERVE LIST FOR FIREARMS OVER $2,500 - LIST B
MILITARY STYLE SELF LOADING RIFLES

TYPE USED NEW
AR15 A3 Carbine H-Bar $4,250
AR15 A3 Ultra Match $4,100
AR15 Car A3 6mm x 45mm $4,100
AR15 Car A3 7.62mm x 39 mm $4,695
Auto Ordinance (Thompson Lookalike) M27 $3,500 $5,300
Beretta ISM 59 $2,300
Beretta BM 82 $3,500
Colt Ar 15 H-Bar $5,000
Heckler and Koch (H&K G3 $5,200
Heckler and Koch (H&K 91 - 93 - 474 $3,500
M1A1 Springfield "Match" $3,300
M1A1 Springfield "Super Match" $2,500 $3,500
M1A1 Springfield Standard $3,000
SIG AMT .308 $2,850
Vaimet (Not a Hunter) $2,500
VZl Carbime $5,500



SELF LOADING CENTRE FIRE RIFLES - NON MILITARY - LIST B

TYPE USED NEW

Browning Belgium BAR Type 4 engraved $4,000



SELF LOADING SHOTGUNS - LIST B

TYPE USED NEW
Browning Belgium A5 Type 4 engraved $7,500
Browning Belgium Presentation King Carol engraving $10,000
selected walnut

Browning Belgium Type I super light alloy $2,500
Browning Belgium Type II super light alloy $3,000
Browning Belgium Type III light weight $2,500
Browning Belgium Type III super light alloy $3,500
Browning Belgium Type IV Matt Chrome (Game) $4,000
Browning Belgium Type V Matt Chrome (Game) $5,500
Browning Japan Limited Edition 10F 5000 $5,500
Cosml $6,000 $10,000

[dirtybob]

that cant be right, i could buy an MG if i got those prices for my semis. interesting. also, lets get soem letters fired of to DELL computers. what do you say guys/gals?
thanks
DB

[Twisted Cross]

Here is letter I sent to Dell the other day


E-mail address BSD_On-Line_Order_Support@dell.com


Title: Post 9-11 policies

Dear Dell,

Please take some consideration of my letter. The story about a Gunsmith
being denied a purchase of a Dell PC due to some strange post 9-11
screening process is all over the internet on discussion boards and chat
rooms. Many people have expressed their disgust with Dell and not to
mention the annoying "Your getting a Dell dude" commercials that most of
us are tired of anyway.

This situation just reinforces why I would not touch your product with a
10 foot pole. I am a technology support person for one of your partners
and we have had a terrible time getting Dell's fixed when there is an
issue because of Dell's practices.
We are even granted a discounted price on a personal purchase of Dell's
which is still outrageous when you consider building one yourself with
better components or a competitors PC.

Have fun trying to sell your over priced PC's as your bumbling actions
have greatly angered some of the gun owners and patriots of America.

[HDR]

SangRun Hunter,
The easiest way to lose any battle?? Is don't fight.

[Bullet]

when ever there is a situation like this Dell thing I always send an email to that company.

[Twisted Cross]

HDR,

I hear you loud and clear, seems like it is time to start doing something besides the usual signing up for a gunn rights group.

[protector76239]

why not make this idea into its own forum? seems alot of new forums have popped up lately, some rather redundent. this would be a good one for the cause, for the family and families to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Twisted Cross]

Protector,

I think that would be a good idea myself.

Anybody else?

[jbutenhoff]

I second the idea of giving this its own form. Perhaps if corporate America realized that there are millions of gun owners that will vote with their check books they will get the point and stop throwing money at groups like HCI.

Jamie

[HDR]

SangRun Hunter

Then there are but two choices.
Fight a good fight or Talk a good fight.


Folks here are singing to the choir..

Twist my arm about our Rights, you twisted.. But if anyone here does not realize that in this fight?? I do not count, nor do you or protector76239 or jbutenhoff nor anyone on this BBS...

Convincing gun owners that guns are a Right is a waste of time.. Working with gun owners to reach others? That is a positive investment...

Ever notice how the democrats, republicans and third party always cater to various special interest groups??

Well with 60 million gun owners in America? We could tip any National election.. We could demand from Congress... Its like having a 60 million man ARmy and never using it in combat..

[Twisted Cross]

HDR,

That's why I decided to start this idea up because there are so many of us and I see so few doing anything to promote our ideas in a healthy way. I don't see to many looking at this thread either, but its only been a couple of hours :D


What I see is a way to fight back without paying any dues or following guidelines set down by someone else. No one has to vote on rules or policies or even show up at a certain time. To me its easy! Just post a news story or link from another site about a company, individual, rep, or Org and we can pick and choose when we want to send them a message.

I have been to other gun sites and I don't see this happening. You guys that bitch about the NRA, here is a way to do your own protesting. Make your own mark on the world, then no one can say you never tried to help your cause in some way. Its obvious that we can't move to a western state and hord weapons for killing judges or become a Koresh. We can't march in the Capitol with our AK's and hope not to get gunned down by Federal's at this point in history. We can show our solidarity by doing soemthing simple and legal for now.

[protector76239]

cynical? im not understanding where your coming from. is it your intent to discourage? i think floods of emails would be somewhat viable. i think this because it would be impossible for the companys to figure out which demographic said mails are from. so they would have to at least consider them.

[Twisted Cross]

You know what kills me about this thread I started.

82 views since 8:48 AM when it was started.

There is an impolite drivers thread that was started at 3:09 PM and it has 52 views (No Flame meant at all Shawn)

5 people have replied so far.

Kind of makes me think not too many people care, I hope I am wrong.

[Twisted Cross]

Gr8scott put together a list of e-mail addresses that were on HCI's progressive funds donators list.

Please see the thread for the addresses, he even put them out there so they can be cut and pasted to your address book.

Thanks again Gr8Scott


http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49634

[HPK]

I think some kind of "Watch List of Anti-Second Amendment Companies and Organizations Forum" is a great idea. As a motorcyclist I find the AMA's website extremely helpful in contacting the people in DC about issues that concern me as a rider. I"ve become very pro-active regarding my right to ride through the links on their website, thanks to the internet. Sending an e-mail is just so much easier than composing a letter. Where I previously would think about sending a letter and never get around to it, the internet has made it so quick and easy that I respond and react to much more than I used to. I think if you make it easy enough a lot more people's voices would be heard.
In fact it should be expanded to the "Watch List of Anti-Second Amendment Politicians , Companies and Organizations Forum" with links to the proper e-mail addresses. I'll let everybody know what they do that pisses me off.

[srv656s]

I think this sounds like a great idea.

If someone is willing and has the time to put this together I will surely participate.

Thanks

Shawn

[Twisted Cross]

I had planned on getting some stuff together tonight and starting, but family intervened and I could only stop in for a few to check the board. I won't let this go, my Dad and I had a chat about politics tonight and it only fired me up more!

[ak74auto]

sang,you lead the way and i'll follow. i'm always trying to mobilize people and get them to speak up ,so this is right up my alley ! :D :D :D

[308]

SangRun Hunter

I like the idea of a separate forum for political action. A member finding an issue worthy of consideration could submit the facts to the forum with a required minimum amount of information. Once approved by the administrator or moderator as a CRITICAL ISSUE, a mass e-mail alert could be sent to all members with a link to the thread. The thread should have an "example text" to be cut and pasted and sent by e-mail via corresponding link.

What stops me from participating effectively? 1] never heard of the issue, 2] don’t know what to do about it & 3] don’t know who\how to contact.

We could easily stuff e-mail inboxes from here to kingdom come in just a few minutes.

308

[shwebo]

Count me in.:duece:

[Twisted Cross]

Well here is what I started today, its quick and dirty as far as links to these palces go. Like I said it would be cool to see this done without dues or rules. Just memeber of this board spreading the word. I put this page together just as a start for some resources. I need help though! Give me more links and stuff to put on the page.

http://home.fuse.net/78CutlassS/2nd.htm

[protector76239]

thumbs up:D i like the web site you linked to! i got stuff to think about and some emails to write.

[Twisted Cross]

Check this thread out in the forum suggestions forum. Leave a comment if your hip to the idea!


http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50195

[Guy Fawkes]

Let's do it!

[Cernunnos]

This is a very, very good idea. You can count me in, friends.

/Cernunnos

[hardhat]

Best idea ive heard in long time . Lets get to work .