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Circuits
03-11-2002, 03:08 PM
I was shooting one of my M16's with a .22 kit (Ceiner "atchisson" type) this weekend, and had an interesting breakage/failure - one I've never encountered before.

I had been shooting for a couple hours (not all on this one rifle, mind you), and just inserted a full 30rd magazine.

I pulled back the charging handle and released it to chamber the first round, and the rifle proceeded to empty the entire mag in one long burst. My finger was nowhere near the trigger.

When it ran out I disassembled it on the shooting bench to find the cause of the malfunction - the "J pin" in the hammer which retains the hammer pin inside the receiver had broken off, and become lodged under the trigger in the bottom of the receiver. The trigger could not come back far enough to engage the hammer, but since the selector was set to 'auto', the auto sear did its job and pretended I was holding the trigger down.

I've never had a j-pin break before - but I guess there's always a first. Thankfully, I practice safe firearms handling, and the weapon is ALWAYS downrange, even when inserting a magazine or pulling the charging handle. All 30 went safely downrange and into the berm.

ALWAYS KEEP YOUR WEAPON POINTED DOWNRANGE, OR IN A SAFE DIRECTION! There's a reason for those handling rules, and they proved themselves yesterday, and a few times in the past.

PBR
03-11-2002, 06:27 PM
Weird

The J clip must have been cracked or stressed when they installed it. I am surprised the hammer pin didnt walk out as well.

RJ Shooter
03-11-2002, 06:32 PM
What was your face like when those 30 were uncontrollably buzzing down range Circuits?

Did those around you know that it was a malfuntion as it was happening?

Circuits
03-11-2002, 07:51 PM
BigCA: it was starting to work out, but did not move sufficiently to let the hammer twist in that one burst. An M16 with the .22 kit fires at 1200rpm plus, so emptying that mag took less than 2 seconds. This hammer (part of my DPMS 4-position trigger kit) has seen 5-6k of .22LR and 2-3k of .223 since I installed it.

RJ: I'm sure my face showed some surprise, but my first thought was checking where the muzzle was pointed, and, seeing it was hitting the berm, to hold it steady. Had the malfunction occured with .223, I'd have had more difficulty keeping it stable and safely pointed with just the one hand on the holding it at the front handguard. Since I'd been doing long bursts or full mags most of the day, I don't believe anyone but the two people I was shooting with knew anything was out of sorts - although the girl shooting with me directly to my right got peppered with ejected brass.

Rew
03-11-2002, 09:17 PM
I had just glanced Circuits way as he charged the weapon and with his hand now where close to the trigger, it just empyted the mag. I was a bit supprised, but our companion, learned a very good lesson, some good came of it.:)

Rew

Rew
03-11-2002, 09:24 PM
I had just glanced Circuits way as he charged the weapon and with his hand now where close to the trigger, it just empyted the mag. I was a bit supprised, but our companion, learned a very good lesson, some good came of it.:)

Rew

Rew
03-11-2002, 09:26 PM
Looks like I had a maufuction

Rew

AKWARRIOR
03-15-2002, 10:51 AM
Thats interesting Circuits,Very happy to hear everything went safely.Rew from now on dont have your posts set on Burst.:D HeHeHe.



Rob