Century's Ballester Rigaud .45 Auto

[neilwest]

1. I just received this in the mail from Century. It is in very good condition. It was sold as fair. I cleaned and tung oiled the grips but that was all. I think it looks good. I would like the grips lighter but this is the way she came.

1942 According to serial number

http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000030187/1000030187_323200273722PM0.3581507.jpg

[whos2kno]

how is the internals?
how much was she?
In the mail usps or ups?
whos2kno

[REDSTAR]

Dang that looks alot better than I expected. Is there any pitting on the outside or the bore?

[Tracy]

Well, surprise, surprise! You never know what you'll get from those people. $189.87 weren't they?

[whos2kno]

Originally posted by Tracy
If you take my gun, you take my freedom.
If you take my freedom, you take my religion.
If you take my religion, you take my soul.
Don't try to take my gun.
Me

i like your quote!!!
whos2kno

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

anyone know the difference between Century's Ballester Rigaud and Ballester Molina? They look practically the same. Both 5" barrel, Rigaud is 9" long, while Molina 's 8.5", what's the difference? And which should I pick? Thanks.

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

Nevermind, I did a little search and found this tidbits of info on Ballester pistols. Enjoy. :)


Ballester-Molina
Type: Self Loading Locked Breech Semiautomatic Pistol
System of Operation: Recoil
Caliber: 11.43x23mm (.45 ACP)
Capacity: 7+1 rounds
Sights: Fixed blade front, notch rear drift adjustable for windage

The history of the Ballester-Molina dates back to 1929 when two enterprising Spaniards, Arturo Ballester and Eugenio Molina established a company for producing Hispano-Suiza automotive products in Buenos Aires. The name of this company was Hispano Argentina Fabrica de Automoviles Sociedad Anonima (HAFDASA), or Spanish-Argentine Automobile Factory, Incorporated. Several years later, HAFDASA hired a pair of engineers, the frenchman Rorice Rigaud, and Carlos Ballester Molina (a member of both the Ballester and Molina families). Rigaud eventually became HAFDASA's chief design engineer, while Ballester Molina, originally responsible for metallurgy, heat treatment, and production methodologies, became HAFDASA's Chief Executive Officer (CEO).

HAFDASA won a contract with the Direccion General del Material del Ejercito (DGME), or General Directorate for Army Materiel, to supply the Argentine military with trucks, buses, and engines. The DGME later commissioned HAFDASA to investigate the potential manufacture of small arms.

In 1936, in response to the DGME request, HAFDASA began to design and manufacture small arms. There was nothing revolutionary about HAFDASA's work. The factory established a pattern of adapting existing designs to satisfy the requirements of the Argentine military and police forces using indigenous materials within HAFDASA's production capabilities. To this end, in 1936, HAFDASA unveiled a semiautomatic carbine based on the Beretta M1918/30 in calibers 9x19mm and .45 ACP.

Following the introduction of the two carbines, the DGME requested HAFDASA to produce a pistol chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge to serve as an (indigenously produced) replacement for the .45 ACP pistols then in service with the Argentine military and police forces. The contract required HAFDASA to produce a pistol along the general lines of the Modelo 1916 and 1927 Colt pistols then in service and to have barrels and magazines that were interchangeable with those pistols.

The HAFDASA engineers began work on this contract in late 1936/early 1937. The decision was taken modify the original Browning design to facilitate and economize production along the same lines as two Spanish companies Bonifacio Echeverria, S.A. (Star) and Gabilondo y Cia, S.A (Llama). The main changes introduced by these companies were the elimination of the grip safety, a backstrap integral to the frame, and a pivoting trigger with a side mounted sear bar and disconnector. These changes, as applied to the Star Model B pistol were of particular influence to HAFDASA's designers.

Consequently, while the completed HAFDASA design bore a strong external similarity to the Colt M1911A1, only the barrel and magazine are interchangeable with the Colt pistol. Note: Barrels and magazines made by HAFDASA are identifiable by the marking "HA" inside a diamond. The following is a list of differnces between the HAFDASA pistol and the M1911A1:

a) The hammer strut on the HAFDASA pistol is much shorter than that of the M1911A1.
b) The firing pin stop on the HAFDASA pistol is not recessed on the side as it is on the M1911A1.
c) The safety lock on the HAFDASA pistol is redesigned with a larger diameter pin, and it can be applied with the hammer cocked or fully down.
d) The mainspring housing on the HAFDASA pistol is an integeral part of the frame.
e) The HAFDASA pistol has a pivoting trigger with a single extension along the right side that cams the side mounted disconnector and engages the sear.
f) The magazine catch on the HAFDASA pistol is assembled differently.
g) The HAFDASA pistol has no slide stop disassembly notch.



The HAFDASA pistol was adopted as the Argentine Army service pistol in 1938. Early pistols were marked "Pistola Automatica Calibre .45 Ballester-Rigaud, Modelo DGME 1938." These early pistols have checkering on the grips and backstrap, and there are twenty fine slide retraction grooves, as on the M1911A1. The slide right side is marked with the Argentine crest and the text "Ejercito Argentino."

The next iteration of the HAFDASA pistol were modified to speed up and economize on production accordingly: The backstrap checkering was replaced by horizontal serrations, the wooden grips had long vertical serrations, and the fine slide retraction grooves were replaced by groups of vertical grooves separated by wide gaps. Additionally, the Modelo 1938 designation was dropped, and the pistol was now known as the "Pistola Ballester-Rigaud."

At some point between 1940 and 1942, HAFDASA changed the trademark name of the pistol from "Ballester-Rigaud" to "Ballester-Molina," with the change reflected in the markings on the slide of the pistol. At the same time HAFDASA began to use plastic, instead of wooden, grips on the pistol. It was also around this time that HAFDASA received an order from the British government for between 8,000 and 10,000 .45 caliber pistols. Payment for these pistols was made, in part, with steel supplied by the British government. Due to the scarcity of raw materials in Argentina due to the Second World War, it is highly likely that the steel was of U.S. origin supplied to England via Lend-Lease, and consequently not prior to March 11, 1941. According to Alejandro Gherovici, noted expert on Argentine service pistols, no steel salvaged from the pocket battleship Graf Spee or any other warships was used to produce the British contract or any other HAFDASA pistols. Production of the British Contract pistols started in 1942 and continued until mid-1944. British Contract pistols are easy to identify as they bear a serial number prefixed by a "B," between the 12000 and 21000 serial number range.

After the end of the of the British Contract, HAFDASA continued to produce pistols for Argentine government and commercial usage until 1953. Starting in 1947, the HAFDASA pistols had been supplanted in Argentine use by the DGFM Sistema Colt M1927 pistol, a clone of the M1911A1. While the HAFDASA pistols began to be withdrawn from Argentine service in the 1960's, many served until the mid-1980's when they were finally replaced and sold as surplus on the US market. It is believed that HAFDASA produced between 80,000 and 90,000 .45 caliber pistols.

The following is a loose serial number to year correlation:

Serial Number Range Date Range
1 - 12,000 1938 - 1942
12,000 - 23,000 1942 - 1944
23,000 - 108,000 1944 - 1953

HAFDASA exported pistols to Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

BIBLIOGRAPHY

Gherovici, Alex, Military Pistols of Argentina, (Self Published, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 1994)

This volume can be purchased by writing to the author at:
Alex Gherovici
P.O. Box 58506
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19102
U.S.A.

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

Still......anyone here with BOTH Ballester Rigaud and Ballester Molina? Anything different other than the slide markings? How do they compare? I'm still trying to decide which to get. (sorry the Yugo SKS deal means I only have enough for 1 Ballester. )

[neilwest]

1. The internals were in excellent condition, she had a very clean bore with no pitting, rifling is crisp. The only thing that she need was to have the blueing on some spots, and the tape good cleaned off of the grips.

2. They were 159.00 on sale. I ORDERED ANOTHER ON THIS ON THE INTERNET LAST NIGHT. The difference is the Rigauld is suppose to be for military and police and the Molina was for the Civilian market, Except for some minor design differences they seem to be about the same.:D

[Schuetzenman]

AvtomatKalashnikova,
I enjoyed your history post on these pistols. I learned a lot more about them than I knew before reading it. You should make it a post all on it's own.

[neilwest]

1. THAT SOUNDS LIKE PICK OF THE WEEK MATERIAL TO ME. I COPIED IT FOR MY POW LOOSELEAF:)

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

Thanks for the encouragement Schuetsenman, really appreciate it. I'll make a separate post in the Handgun section. :)

And thanks for the report neilwest, I'm looking forward to my first Ballester Molina. So what did you order this time neilwest? another Rigaud or a Molina?

I checked the info on this "GENDARMERIA" that's marked on Rigaud and Molina slides. Seems those pistols all belonged to the equivalent of a "National Internal Security Force". Sort of like National Guard, border patrol, ATF and FBI all rolled into one.

[308]

neilwest?

Is the Century's Ballester Rigaud .45 Auto C&R eligible?

[neilwest]

1. Thats the beauty of it, I can be delievered straight to your door:D :D :D

[308]

OK, but the reason I am a bit confused is that on Century's site they have the following comment:
We currently have no C&R handguns in stock. A new shipment is on its way!
This is found on the Dealers C&R Handguns page at:
http://www.centuryarms.com/dealer/store/en-us/dept_2.html
:confused:

[neilwest]

1. That applies to the Argintine 1927 that is 100% colt interchangable. They Ballester is still availible.

[Scoupe]

Originally posted by neilwest
1. THAT SOUNDS LIKE PICK OF THE WEEK MATERIAL TO ME. I COPIED IT FOR MY POW LOOSELEAF:)

I agree! If not an official POTW, maybe your post should at least be moved into the POTW section. I've found that section to be great reference material for sure.

BTW, What happened to W2K's M44 Pick?

[whos2kno]

Originally posted by 308
OK, but the reason I am a bit confused is that on Century's site they have the following comment:

This is found on the Dealers C&R Handguns page at:
http://www.centuryarms.com/dealer/store/en-us/dept_2.html
:confused:
thats a old link
http://www.centuryarms.com/dealer/store/

[308]

W2K-
Not to :deadhorse, it is the same link...it just opens the page without benifit of the index frame. When you go to the page, look at the text below the "C&R Handguns" title...that is what I am refering to.

I love using that new deadhorse thingy! :D

[TheBigCAx]

AvtomatKalashnikova, thanks for the Ballester Molina history lesson. I've now put 200 rounds through mine. Tonight, another 50. I really like this handgun.

SOG did me well for $234 (incl shipping).

http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000030828/1000030828_322200222835PM6.771487E-02.jpg

http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000030828/1000030828_325200261133PM0.6542017.jpg

TheBigCA is very happy with SOG and their Ballester Molinas. Money well spent for a great shooter, and Wednesday evening, I start reloading for it. This firearm will be a great addition to anybody's collection, not just as a collectible, but a good working 45.

[308]

Keep this up and you're going to have to get a bigger safe Carl ;)

Nice gun by the way.

[Misguided]

heres mine http://www.armscenter.com/mausercrazy/45ss.jpg they came from SOG when Century was out, the are beautes, and shoot great!

[neilwest]

1. Not wanting to take sides I purchased another from Century today and a Molina from SOG as well. Im just a addict I know.:cool:

[Tracy]

Originally posted by whos2kno

i like your quote!!!
whos2kno

Thanks. I thought about quoting something from a movie but all my boy lets me watch is Buzz Lightyear and Thomas the Train. Now my little girl's into Teletubbies. "Eh Oh!" :rolleyes:

[TheBigCAx]

Good decision Neil. You will be happy with the gun from SOG. I'm going to shoot it tonight.

308: Yup, safe is about full.

[whos2kno]

Originally posted by Tracy


Thanks. I thought about quoting something from a movie but all my boy lets me watch is Buzz Lightyear and Thomas the Train. Now my little girl's into Teletubbies. "Eh Oh!" :rolleyes:
the joy of having kids
whos2kno

[TheBigCAx]

Hey dude, don't forget Spongebob Squarepants. You just haven't lived until ...

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

Nice Molina BigCA, she looks as new as any Colt I've seen. :)

And Misguided, where did you get the aftermarket finger groove grip? Looks very cool. The only place I've seen them is CDNN, but they're out of stock right now.

BTW, I've ordered my BM today.....hope to get a good one. Other than my $99 Yugo SKS, this maybe my best firearm deal yet. :)