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Twisted Cross
04-04-2002, 01:18 PM
I have to thank Buster Charlie for this one as he posted it on the General discussion board.

What a bunch of phony loosers these people are! They are probably just stupid, but unfortunately they have access to the media.



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27083

With the Academy Awards behind us, we now turn our attention to the SAP Awards, honoring the biggest Second Amendment Phony. And the nominees are:

"The West Wing." In a recent episode, President Josiah Bartlet, played by Martin Sheen, pronounced the Second Amendment "stupid-ass." After all, he said to an aide, we have the police! (Apparently, "West Wing" writers don't know that the amendment exists to protect citizens against tyranny of government.)

California State Sen. Don Perata. In the wake of California's projected $17 million budget deficit, anti-gunner Sen. Perata proposes a tax on bullets. Perata intends to use the money to support medical trauma centers. "Bullets cause injuries that are expensive to treat," offered Perata, "and generally speaking, the public is footing the bill." Perata applied for and received a permit to carry a concealed weapon and justified his request by noting, "My public policy efforts to seek rational regulation of firearms have engendered the enmity of some individuals who have made overt threats on my life and the well-being of my family." What about the "enmity" one encounters living in a high-crime, inner-city neighborhood?

Sharon Stone. In May 1999, actress Sharon Stone stated she intended to turn in her firearms. "I urge you to trust and believe in your local law enforcement officers," said Stone, "and to trust and believe in the courage of following your heart and surrendering your fear and anger." Yet, according to Movieline magazine, Stone used a gun to threaten a trespasser. "As (the gate) swung open," said Stone, "I pumped my shotgun and said, 'I'm gonna blow your ass all over the street.' And I heard him land when he jumped and his footsteps running off."

Geraldo Rivera. On May 3, 1999, on CNBC, Rivera announced his support for gun control. "How much longer," Rivera said, "are we gonna be wrapping in the flag of patriotism to justify 250 million guns out there?" Yet when Fox Cable sent Rivera to cover the Afghan war, he and his brother packed heat. A contradiction? Rivera explained, "We refuse to be crime victims. We're not the victim types. If they're going to get us, it's going to be in a gunfight. It's not going to be a murder. It's not going to be a crime. It's going to be a gunfight."

Michael Bellesiles, author, "Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture." Bellesiles argued that, contrary to popular belief, few early Americans owned guns. So much for the alleged gun culture, argued Bellesiles, that Second Amendment supporters claim helped found America. Assuming people included guns in their wills, Bellesiles looked at probate records of early Americans, which presumably give us an idea as to the extent of gun ownership. But several people raised questions about the accuracy of Bellesiles' data, some of which turned out to be nonexistent. Emory University, Bellesiles' employer, said the criticisms constituted "prima facie evidence of scholarly misconduct."

The red-faced New York Times revised its earlier enthusiastic review of "Arming America" and said, "Over the past year a number of scholars who have examined his sources say he has seriously misused historical records and possibly fabricated them. They say the outcome, when all the evidence is in, could be one of the worst academic scandals in years." Ouch.

NRA President Charlton Heston's liberal friends. In 1992, Los Angeles burned after the first Rodney King verdict. In his book "The Courage To Be Free," Heston said that his anti-gun liberal friends called and wanted to borrow a gun and get lessons on how to shoot it. "I could teach you," said Heston, "but not in an hour."

Rosie O'Donnell, comedian, anti-gun activist and co-organizer of the Million Mom March. In her ambush interview of Second Amendment supporter Tom Selleck, O'Donnell said, "You can't say 'I will not take responsibility for anything the NRA represents' if you're doing an ad for the NRA. You can't say that." Yet O'Donnell hired a bodyguard to accompany her son to his private school. Oh, and the bodyguard applied to the State of Connecticut for a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Sarah Brady, anti-gun activist and former head of Handgun Control, Inc. Brady urged Americans to rid guns from their homes. "We must stop equating guns with protection," Brady once said, "because more evidence shows that guns increase the risk of violence, not decrease it. … [The] gun lobby continues to peddle the notion that more guns will make us safer." Yet in her new biography, "A Good Fight," Brady admits that she purchased a Remington .30-06 rifle for her 18-year-old son. "I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle," said Brady, "loaded it into my little car and drove home. It seems so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."

The envelope, please. …

number_6
04-13-2002, 04:22 PM
Do not forget that Charlton Heston himself has sold us all. He is quoted on record at least twice speaking against semi-automatic military-styled weapons. Quotes along the lines of "AK-47s, of course, are totally inappropriate" and "AK-47s make me nervous" are what we can expect from him. Of course, anyone having faith in today's NRA is quite deluded.

Be seeing you.

digitalxtreme
04-15-2002, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by number_6
Do not forget that Charlton Heston himself has sold us all. He is quoted on record at least twice speaking against semi-automatic military-styled weapons. Quotes along the lines of "AK-47s, of course, are totally inappropriate" and "AK-47s make me nervous" are what we can expect from him. Of course, anyone having faith in today's NRA is quite deluded.

Be seeing you.

When he spoke about AK47, he assumed (as stupid as it may seem) he was being asked about fully automatic weapons, not semi-auto rifles. I have faith in the NRA, if it weren't for groups like the NRA and GOA our 2nd Amendment would have been toast under Clinton.

number_6
04-16-2002, 05:38 PM
Still, this doesn't jibe well. There's already a system in place to control ownership of fully automatic weapons. It is called the NFA. 6 month waiting period, transfer taxes, CLE signoff, etc. Machinegun owners basically sign off on their 4th Amendment rights. If this isn't adequate control, I don't know what is.

True, I would hate to think what it would be like now without the NRA, but I feel they've dropped the ball. I'm a member of GOA and don't even consider them in the same ballpark as the NRA. Needless to say, I'll maintain my GOA membership until hell freezes over.

Be seeing you.

digitalxtreme
04-16-2002, 05:41 PM
I think I'm going to have to join the GOA as well... :D

Sturmgeschütz
04-18-2002, 09:13 AM
*in Ace Ventura voice* Heyyyyyyy losers!

Around where I live, if someone broke into my house and I had to depend on the police, I'd be dead or robbed blind with the crooks long gone way before they even got there! Screw that idea!

Twisted Cross
04-18-2002, 09:28 AM
Anybody get the NRA magazines? There are plenty of advertisements for AW stuff throughout the entire magazines. Most of it is targeted to AR-15 clones, but there is usually some FAL stuff in there. Old Charlton just made the mistake of being uneducated about AW's and the naysayers have taken off with it. If the NRA was really against AW owners they wouldn't be advertising AW stuff in their mags. IMHO

mike3acr
04-19-2002, 11:15 PM
I hear lots of gun owners making your argument. "I don't agree with the NRA's stand on this, and I don't like what they say about that."

Well that's why the gun grabbers are so effective. Gun owners can't ever seem to agree on anything. We are divided, and thats why we are loosing the fight. We all need to join the NRA. If we all did Charlton Heston wouldn't have to appease the media with the "evil assault weapon" talk. He would have the power to hold up his AK and make his speach instead of his flintlock. The NRA is our best chance to fight for our rights, and in my opinion if you are not a NRA member you are dilluted.

I agree that sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes they make very stupid mistakes, however, this will not effect my support for the NRA nor should it effect yours.

This would not even be an issue if it wern't for the NRA, because our guns would have been taken long ago. .

just my 2 cents

hollowpoint
04-20-2002, 01:37 AM
im just happy to have guns in the first place if it was up to Clinton and all the other liberals we would end up like Australia, the UK, or Cananda (ewww):devil:

zouavexx
04-20-2002, 01:17 PM
Good post SangRun Hunter! Keep up the good work.

number_6
04-20-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by mike3acr
I hear lots of gun owners making your argument. "I don't agree with the NRA's stand on this, and I don't like what they say about that."

Well that's why the gun grabbers are so effective. Gun owners can't ever seem to agree on anything. We are divided, and thats why we are loosing the fight. We all need to join the NRA. If we all did Charlton Heston wouldn't have to appease the media with the "evil assault weapon" talk. He would have the power to hold up his AK and make his speach instead of his flintlock. The NRA is our best chance to fight for our rights, and in my opinion if you are not a NRA member you are dilluted.

I agree that sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes they make very stupid mistakes, however, this will not effect my support for the NRA nor should it effect yours.

This would not even be an issue if it wern't for the NRA, because our guns would have been taken long ago. .

just my 2 cents

Your point is well-taken and timely. And, as always, I would hate to think what it would be like if the NRA hadn't been there to stand up for us. The trouble is that they really aren't standing up for us anymore. The NRA is just another big political organisation and politicians of a sort run it. Every compromise and concession made to the grabbers & the social-communo-liberals is a victory for them and another step along the path towards total disarmament. This is the only goal of gun control. They want them all because they threaten the power structure of the liberal ruling elite. So, every time the NRA softens a little more, they get closer. I wonder if the NRA will be in there plugging for the sunset of the unconstitutional 922r "violent crime" act? Or, will they accept it as a necessary step? The NRA is full of too many fatcats and really does need to start taking a hardline stance again. After all, the enemy isn't going to give in until we're all subjugated. It should be worth the fight.

Be seeing you.

Twisted Cross
04-21-2002, 01:42 AM
There are so many people against us and they seem to introduce new legislation on a daily basis. I never really thought about the NRA not being on our side, I just assumed they make mistakes like any other org. Should they stand up and say all or nothing? If they did stand up and say all or nothing it could alienate them from the legislators that suppport them. It could alienate them from the hunters and race gun owners. The NRA is strong, but fragile in these times. They have a large number of memebers and to loose them for an issue that sheeple think is "controversial" would be bad for the NRA. Should they shun the AW owners? No they shouldn't and Charleton needs to get his head out of his ass! If he doesn't like AK's then he should keep his mouth shut! I am willing to bet that many NRA members like myself own an evil rifle. It could be an AK, FAL, AR clone, or CETME. The NRA knows this and they have to walk a fine line due to public opinion. It's politics and we all know it! It happens every where you look, someone is always compromising on something. I do believe without the NRA we would all be bragging about our new rubber band powered guns.