Mak90 sidefolder?

[SithLord]

A guy I work with is selling a Mak90 sidefolder. Hes asking $325 for it and from what I've been reading here its illegal is it not? I'm thinking of buying it anyway and putting a Choate(sp?) stock on it, would it be legal then?
all the serial numbers match from the reciever, bolt, and cover? sorry if I'm using non-standard names for everything, I only own a Mak90 and not up to speed yet.

thanks for any help

[NetJunkie]

I'd just stay away from it. The last thing you need is a bunch of ATF agents jumping out of bushes to get you on a sting. http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif

You didn't put the side folding stock on it so if you buy it you have comitted no crime.
The crime is putting the stock on a post ban rifle not posessing it. The worst the batf could do when they "jump out of the bushes"(yea right) is seize the rifle as contraban.
The batf doesn't have to "jump out of the bushes" all they have to do is go to any gun show. Every gun show I go to there are at least 2 or 3 pistol grip or folding stock mak-90's for sale.

[Bryant]

They will not challenge anyone when it comes to buying or adding pre-ban parts to make an illegal AK. The reason is simple, the law could be challenged and overturned easily by the court system which would make hundreds of other gun laws on the books or coming out un-Constitutional. The only times I have heard of anyone getting busted for an illegal gun is for un-registered machine guns, other than that they will not risk getting all of the gun laws overturned due to one Consitutional appeal to the court. Because the Constitution clearly states "...shall not be infringed." when it comes to gun rights, and all laws reguarding what you can have on your rifle or what you own is un-Constitutional and to make such laws would be treason under a reasonable system so they do not challenge us to much on that.

[Jimbob]

Given you are buying it locally I wouldnt worry to much. Then make it legal. The only problem is that some dealers wont do transfers or accept (if it were being shipped to your FFL or the seller demands a transfer) illegally modified guns they dont want them anywhere near there businesses. OF course on the other hand some dont really care. Best of luck.

[ramius]

If you want to be real careful, then buy the stock and install it, then give him the money. Procedurally, you'd be in the clear.

Better safe than sorry... remember Ruby Ridge. It was over a lot less than a folding stock.



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-ramius...
right wing extremist gun nut
...and proud of it.

[saleen]

Ramius,
Forgive me for disagreeing, but Ruby ridge wasn't really even about weapons violations. The way I remember it, the charges against Mr. Weaver were stemming from a couple of short barreled shotguns (unregistered of course) which an ATF agent asked Mr. Weaver to aquire for him. Once the transaction was complete, they tried to use the impending charges to get him to flip and work as an undercover for them. When he said "NO", the fecal matter hit the electrically powered oscillating wind generator.

Ruby ridge was about more than a couple of minor weapons charges. It was about teaching Mr. Weaver and the rest of us what happens when we do not cooperate. It was about demonstrating the awesome power at the disposal of federal govt. by making an example of everyone inside the Weaver cabin. To this day I am amazed that anyone ever made it out alive, and I am sure that none of us would have ever heard of the Weavers if the rest of the FBI snipers had exibited the same judgement as Horiuchi did.

The investigation is still ongoing as to the ATF snafu at Mt. Carmel, but I suspect that the assault on the compound was a direct result of something besides a few minor weapons violations. It too had all the hallmarks of a message intended for others who would invariably watch the raid on T.V. It too appeared to be carried out in a manner so as to make an example of what happens to those who are deemed enemies of the state.

Just my .02, but here's food for thought. How well do you know this guy who wants to sell you the obviously illegally configured weapon?

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[jpp101]

Sithlord if our interested a guy on ebay is selling a thmbhole buttstock for a Mak-90,
His username is akmman, He has a lot with it in it. Just letting you know.

John

[SithLord]

Thanks for all the help folks. I've known this guy for a couple years. He's just a normal guy that needs some cash more than he needs a Mak90 http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif

[ramius]

Saleen... conceptually you and I are in agreement. While the initial excuse for both Ruby Ridge and Waco were weapons violations, your observations about the actual intent are right on the money.

My intent was merely to state that I could not think of a good reason to provide any excuse to the government. Especially, as you stated it so well, keeping their track record in mind.

I don't believe we disagree... but I do believe that my short sentence may not have contained enough content to relay its intent.



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-ramius...
right wing extremist gun nut
...and proud of it.

[saleen]

Ramius,
I really should proof read some of my posts before I send them. Going back I realize that I started my text above as if I intended to flame your observations and opinion. I think (hope) you realized that such was not my intent. It's just that when I start thinking about what "our" govt. has done, I sometimes get a bit angry which can come out in my text.

By the way, I have been following most of your posts, and I think you are correct when you say that we are generally in agreement down the line on second ammendment and other constitutional issues. In the future I'll try to temper my responses, especially among my peers.


Saleen

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[ramius]

Saleen, I have read enough of your past posts to know that their was no maliciousness intended, nor was any perceived.

I would like to thank you for a reminder of why I enjoy our AK community so much. And I hope all the new members read our civil exchange and realize that this is the norm, not the exception.

Spasiba, tovarish.



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-ramius...
right wing extremist gun nut
...and proud of it.

[saleen]

Spasiba?????!!!! Whachu talkin'bout Ramius??

I only understood the comrade part. Forgive my slavic illiteracy.

BTW you're right, this is a great board. It's nice to know that we can carry on decent, mature conversations. You know, for extremist right wing WHACKOS that is.


Saleen

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[JMF]

Where does it say installing a folder, not possesion, is the crime?

www.atf.treas.gov/ (http://www.atf.treas.gov/) www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html)
These two sites have all the laws on assualt rifles and LCM(large capasity magizine) rifles.