my crap Chinese scopes

[southernfreedom]

Well, I probably deserve it because I should have known better but I'm posting this in
hopes no one here repeats my mistakes on buying cheap Chinese scopes. I have
purchased 2-3 cheap Chinese scopes,a Leapers from
Tapco and a BEC from CNN (?) Investments. Both were compact Chinese and neither is
worth anything. I tried the new BEC yesterday and it is so bad that I can hit a target
using my naked eye better at 100 yards than using this scope. The scopes look nice and
are low cost but they are total crap. crap! crap! crap!
How do these people stay in business????????????

Bruce

[Sutro]

These people stay in business through offering lower prices than can be offered by American industry. With some products the quality is approaching American standards: Perhaps the Red Chinese are beginning to treat the political prisoners and slaves in their factories a bit better. I'm continuing my quixotic boycott of Red Chinese products in any event. I wish folks would realize that they're supporting an opressive and expansionist ditatorship every time they buy something marked "Made in China".

Chinese goods now so pervade our economy that some American products are hard to find [I've about given up on finding a bicycle pump not made in China]. Chinese goods are indisputably both less expensive to buy and less inconvenient to find than American-made products. Question is what expense and inconvenience you think freedom is worth.

[JA]

I have one Red Star 4x25 and two no brand name Chinese 4x28 compact scopes that work just fine. Also have a 6x42 Leapers that is a hell of a scope for the $16.95 I paid for it on sale.

[Tracy]

I've got to say that I'm becoming increasingly disturbed about the Chinese made products here in the U.S. How many industries do we have to lose to these commies before we realize what is happening? I have to admit though, that I'm often guilty of buying their garbage. I should know better. Here while back, I bought one of those super-cheap heavy duty 1/2 inch drills made in China. It isn't nearly as powerful as the 3/8 U.S. made one that I have. I think I almost burned it up the other day. I look for U.S. made products more and more all the time.

If I just wasn't so stinkin' poor....

[Sutro]

After Pearl Harbor, a lot of folks were rather horrified to find that the Japanese fleet had been largely built with scrap iron sold to the Japanese by American companies. Seems that American capitalists have a history of making the interests of our country secondary to their interest in profits.

Most apalling story I'd heard was that of the US Army purchasing lord-knows-how-many thousands of combat boots from the Red Chinese (!!!!!!) during the Clinton Administration. Nearly all of which turned out to be defective.

[HerrdoktorSchuetzengruvin]

Cheap Chinese optics today are probably similar to cheap Japanese Optics in the 60's (anybody besides me remember those days?). Of course now, I would take a Nikon over a Leopold (certainly over a Simmons).

Essentially, we get what we pay for. Me, I avoid buying precision optics from developing countries, unless they are military designs (like the Russian PSO's).

[Mickey27]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HerrdoktorSchuetzengruvin
[B]Cheap Chinese optics today are probably similar to cheap Japanese Optics in the 60's (anybody besides me remember those days?). Of course now, I would take a Nikon over a Leopold (certainly over a Simmons).

Yep.. I remember those days well. Most everything made in Japan in the 60's was crap. Times sure have changed, haven't they?

[Sutro]

Hey, now just a minute. I had a genuine 1964 Honda 305 Dream when I was in high school and it was a great bike. And incredibly ugly. Old farts may remember them - they were the bike with the front fender reminiscent of a German coal-scuttle helmet.

This is sort of a politico-economic case in point, though: The Japanese set themselves about economic domination of the Pacific Rim after attempts at miltary domination collapsed in1945. And they've succeeded quite well. The Chinese are getting better at it as the quality of their goods improves. Thankfully, they're not an expansionist repressive regime like the Chicoms.

But funny how the meaning of terms changes: "Made in Japan" used to have the same crap connotations that "Made in China" has now.

[the hills have eyes]

just remember when considering any chinese manufactured Kalashnikov technology....they are manufacturing it for YOU. They are not manufacturing those piece of crap scopes for their military, hence the craftsmanship is minimal to say the least. They do not like you and will not build you a decent scope. The optics from Russia are some of the best in the world. A lot of people say they are crude and cheaply made but no one really argues about the clarity of the lenses (which are made on captured WW2 German technology). Another thing to look at is the fact that most Russian optics have already undergone extensive field tests in Afghanistan and Chechnya, have had the kinks ironed out and reissued. They know what works. I cant remember where to order the Saiga clamp from but if you can find one it replaces the SVD rail clamp on PSO scopes so you can attach them to an AK sight rail. The rangefinder will not be accurate but one of my PSO scopes is nothing but a post anyway-no rangefinder to speak of. If you havent acquired a sight rail for your AK then you are still in the dark. DO NOT buy one of those dust cover scope mounts- they DO NOT work and they ARE chinese.
I have not yet tried the new gas tube scope mounts for $100. If anyone has any feedback about those drop me aline, im thinking about buying one.

[Sutro]

the hills have eyes [ah, so that's that happens when they're alive with the sound of music!], there's a thread in the Optics section of feedback/comments on the Optimak gas tube-mount.

And regarding the Chicoms fabricating shoddy goods for export to the US... At the time of the combat boot fiasco, there was speculation that the Chicoms provided defective boots to the US military purposefully as a means of sabotage. Doesn't particularly suprise me - what does suprise me is that the US would be so dumb as to outfit its troops with boots made by a potential enemy.

[Skip]

Originally posted by Sutro
At the time of the combat boot fiasco, there was speculation that the Chicoms provided defective boots to the US military purposefully as a means of sabotage. Doesn't particularly suprise me - what does suprise me is that the US would be so dumb as to outfit its troops with boots made by a potential enemy.

Neet Idea. Make the boot insert like the smokers "patch" or "Odor Eaters" and when worn it releases a toxic chemical.

[Tracy]

Originally posted by Sutro
Hey, now just a minute. I had a genuine 1964 Honda 305 Dream when I was in high school and it was a great bike. And incredibly ugly. Old farts may remember them - they were the bike with the front fender reminiscent of a German coal-scuttle helmet.

I had two different ones. First I had the 305 and then, later, I had the 150. The 150 was pretty sharp and I have a picture of it around here somewhere, though I haven't a clue where it is. I sold it to a slug for $100.00 down and $125.00 later. It took me five years and three trips to small claims court to get the $125.00. It would only do 55 mph and the idiot drove it top speed for about 30 miles. The bastard killed it! Then, he tried to say that I sold him a defective bike.

Anyway, I'm not an old fart. I just couldn't afford the newer bikes and liked the old ones anyway--much like the C&R guns.

Boy, I'm glad I don't feel that away about women. :rolleyes:

[DennyB]

Sutro:
Yes sir - the Honda 305 Scrambler - remember it well !

DennyB


INTELLIGENCE: The second oldest profession in the world with even fewer morals than the first......

[the hills have eyes]

thanks for the heads up on the gas tube scope mount, I'll check that out right away.
You know when Clinton was in office he did a lot of similar deals with the Chinese. I hope no one has forgotten the "nuclear secrets" he said could only be used for civil energy production and not weapons. Yeah, he handed those over as a thank you card for the money the Chinese gave to his campaign.
You have to wonder about a culture that eats cats and dogs anyway.

[RPG]

Brought to you by the folks who brought you Pearl Harbor!
My '64 305 SuperHawk would run at 110mph and like it. I put 40K mi. on it cross-country, through winter's slop (cold as I've ever been) Had to change the plugs and chain once in a while. This was an Italian design, a mini Laverda. Dead ringer for their 750, look 'em up and see.
The first Kawasakis in this country were BSA clones. When BSA went to a combined motor/tranny case, the old separate design was sold to Kaw.
An American mathematician named Demming was engaged by the Japanese to turn around their quality control. Statistic analysis stuff. They did what he told them to, took over world trade and the rest is history.

[Sutro]

The Superhawk was, if I remember correctly, a pretty nice looking bike. And the Scrambler was a cool-looking dual purpose bike.

But, alas, I had a Dream. The Dream was one of the most gawdawfully-ugly bikes ever made, looked sort of like a failed attempt to cross a motorcycle with a scooter, with a weird cantilever front suspension instead of using fork tubes. But like your Superhawk, it ran and ran and ran, and you just couldn't kill that sucker.

And...

Now I understand why old Kawasaki 650's look so much like BSA's!

[FLASH-HIDR]

I have a BEC compact scope w/illuminated reticle from CDNN,
And for a cheap,commie scope, it works pretty good (are you using a bolt cover weaver mount, or a saiga siderail mount...
If you are using a bolt cover mount, that could very well be your
problem, or perhaps the slaves that were doing the assembly
had been beaten earlier, and figured they could get even this way..... Shop at Wal-Mart! Beat a Slave!:) :) :) :) :)

[Just Me]

I have a knock-off Chinese 3-9x40 rubber coated. Looks great, drove me nuts when I tried to sight in my rifle with it. I thought the mount must be bad for a long time, until I tried the scope on another rifle and had the same results. I keep it as a "display scope" uh, yeah, that's it.