pre-ban? 89? or 94?

[fireman]

I do not know much about the gun laws, just what I have read. I am confussed on one point though. Everyone on this board talks of pre-89 rifles and other places talk of pre- 11/13/94 as grandfathered guns. My question is.... Does the AK have to be pre-89 or Pre-94 to have the real hardware(folding stock, etc.). What is the difference between pre-89 or pre-94? Any help please to clear this all up for me.

The 89 ban deals with pistol grips,bayonets, and flash suppressors. This is where the thumbhole stocks are required. The 94 ban is the 10 or less imported parts to have a pistol grip. Also the 2 or less of these features hicap mag,bayonet,pistol grip,granade launcher,etc. www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html) www.atf.treas.gov (http://www.atf.treas.gov) /
These two sites should answer all your questions. The atf one has the 94 ban and the other the 89 ban and other AK related laws.

[This message has been edited by J.A. (edited June 20, 1999).]

[kit_gun_fun]

JA

I got an "up yours" when I double clicked on your supplied link.

I have been looking for this information for a long time.

David

[Necron99]

The 89' ban was an executive order by President George Bush. The order banned the importation of basically all "assault rifles" in their full military config (flash hider, bayonet lug, folding stocks etc..). In order to circumvent the ban importers brought the guns in with thumbhole stocks and minus bayo lug and flash suppressor. The same importers also brought in many of the same parts to convert these guns back to there original configuration. ATF has liberally interpreted the Bush ban saying that it is illegal to switch the guns back to the original config. unless the gun could be considered "domestic" meaning it had fewer than a certain number of foreign parts . You will often see postban (89') guns that have been constructed to preban configs. People then try to sell then for preban prices. This is technically illegal,however I not heard of one case in which someone has been prosecuted for this "crime" (this does not mean that you should do it). Nor has its constitutionality been tested. Domestic rifles could still be made in the preban configuration up until the 94' crime bill. That is why AR15 companies and Group Industries (they made domestic Uzi's) were being produced in the "preban" setups. After the 94' ban rifles could only have two "sinister" features one of which is almost always a detachable magazine, the other choices are pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayo lug or folding/collapsing stock. That is why post 94' AR15's have no flash suppressors (and you can't buy postban CAR15 models) while post ban M1A's still have the flash supressor (they have a traditional stock). Hope that helps.

[fireman]

thanks guys,.
now the issue is alittle more clear.

[D.Ed]

Necron99,
How did the '94 ban apply to imported rifles as they only seem to have one evil feature, detachable mags.
J.A.
Your links wouldn't work for me either.

Sorry about the bad addresses here is the correction to the first one www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html)
I tried to acess the batf site through the treasury dept site and got the same not avalable page so it must be down.
P.S.-Checked above link it works

[This message has been edited by J.A. (edited June 20, 1999).]

[Necron99]

D.Ed,
The reason for imported firearms being freed of their evil features (bayo lug, folding stocks, flash suppressors) is due to the 89' Bush ban. ATF interpretation was that no guns could be imported that imitated the 19 or so banned from importation in 89'. They allowed sporterized versions of "assault rifles" to come in without these features but still able to accept the magazines for them. Nobody ever said the ATF made sense. The 94' ban affected domestic rifles in a similiar way to the 89' import ban and also reduced magazines capacity to 10 rounds on magazines produced after enactment of the 94' crime bill. Hope that answers your question.

Checked it today and www.atf.treas.gov (http://www.atf.treas.gov) / is working.