Motor Oil Anyone?

[KYoon]

I've read how Third World troopers and guerilla forces will use automobile/truck motor oil to lubricate their rifles and use gasoline or kerosene to clean their rifles.

I remember reading somewhere how this was a definite no-no, if you could avoid doing this. I'm just wondering why using a quart or less of Valvoline was "bad". You would think that if motor oil is designed to withstand engine temperatures, that it would also withstand rapid fire temperatures. Plus, it comes in different viscosities, the better to operate in different temperatures.

What's so bad with motor oil?

[zero]

Kyoon,, idon't see what the difference is either, and like you said if it protects engines from seizing up i dont know why it wouldn't work on gun's. Maybe the reason those third world jungle fighter's have used it is because maybe it was all they had. I also don't see what the big deal about using gas or kerosean, it has some oil in it and as a cleaner i can't see what it would hurt.

[Heavy Metal]

Motor oil contains anti-foaming agents and is acidic in order to stand up to the hostle environment in an engine. It is also is poor at fighting corrosion. Would possibly harm some plastics and most certainly wood stocks. Automatic Transmission Fluid is a MUCH, MUCH, better choice as it has none of these. It is a synthetic light oil (all ATF is synthetic) with good extreme temp charectetistics. I use Tetra, but in a pinch ATF and Kerosene and soapy water would make good field expiedent supplies H.M.

[CODE((10))]

He uses sth. like you asked for

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Cleaner/Lube for Firearms

Courtesy of Greg Samplawski

Here is the formula for my cleaner/lube. It is cheaper to make than
buying any gun stuff I have found yet !! It will leave a light oil
film on metal and will displace water.

TO MAKE: 1 Gallon 4 Gallons

MIX:
Kerosene or Diesel fuel (40%) 2/5 (.40) Gal. 1-3/5 (1.6) Gal.

Mineral Spirits (40%) 2/5 (.40) Gal. 1-3/5 (1.6) Gal.

Marvel Mystery Oil (15%) 3/20 (.15) Gal. 3/5 (.60) Gal.
or 3/5 (.60) Quart or 2-2/5 (2.40) Quart

Rislone oil (5%) 1/20 (.05) Gal. 1/5 (.20) Gal.
or 1/5 (.20) Quart or 4/5 (.80) Quart


Use thickwall HDPE containers with tight fitting lids. I use buckets
from the local home center. Look for the HDPE symbol on the bottom
of the container. I have NO experience with any other type of
container. (HDPE= High Density PolyEthylene)

You can round up the numbers if you want. This is not rocket science.
Using 5 or 10 weight motor oil as a substitute for Marvel and Rislone
oil is O.K. It doesn't work as good but is a suitable substitute. I
use odorless Mineral Spirits. Marvel Mystery Oil and Rislone Oil is
usually available in auto parts stores.
EXAMPLE: Kerosene 45%, Mineral Spirits 45%, 5 weight motor oil 10%.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR USE:

REMOVE ALL GRIPS, STOCKS, SCOPES from the gun BEFORE USE !!! You could
test your rubber and plastic grips in a hidden spot to see how it
reacts. I remove the grips.

NO WOODEN GRIPS OR STOCKS. This stuff will soften wood finishes!

Not strictly necessary but, I wear rubber gloves to protect my hands.

This cleaner is meant for short term cleaning. I have dunked the whole
gun (without the grips) in this stuff and cleaned with no problems. I
have left BLUED guns in it for months with no problems.

For nickel or chrome finishes it is fine, no problems. DO NOT leave
nickel or chrome plated guns in this solvent for LONG periods of time
!! The red dye in the Marvel Mystery Oil will soak into the pores and
leave a yellowish cast to the finish. As I said it is fine for
cleaning nickel/chrome just don't leave it in the cleaner for 2 months
!! http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/wink.gif

Cleaning night sights is o.k. I haven't seen any problem with Triticon
etc.. Just don't leave the gun in there for marathon soaking sessions
over night. The solvent properties may loosen the glue. Soak for a few
minutes then, Clean it off right away!

Scopes definitely won't like being dunked in this stuff !! Just use
common sense.

I and others have soaked: old, new, blued, rusty, stainless, polymer
and bare steel in this stuff for over two years with no ill effects
other than the yellow stain on nickel or chrome finish mentioned
earlier. It has no effect on stainless steel I can see.

When the cleaner gets cruddy: I just let it sit and pour the cleaner
off the top into another container leaving the crud in the bottom. I
let the solvent evaporate off the crud and then dispose of rest
wrapped in newspaper in the trash. You can also dispose of used stuff
just like old motor oil, (NOT DOWN THE DRAIN !! ) take it to your
local used motor oil recycler. Most auto parts stores here in SO CAL
take used motor oil.

I have HAZMAT MSDS forms for those that really want to see them.
E-mail me: samplawski@home.com for address to send Self Addressed
Stamped Envelope.


For Makarov Pistols: I remove the grips, then soak the gun over night.
The next day a simple brushing and wiping and the gun is clean in
about 2 minutes !!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I LIKE......

My 1911A1 pistols clean up just as easy. I use a long, narrow, shallow
plastic flower planter to soak my long guns. (without the wood
stocks/scopes, of course ! ) I have also used this to clean tools and
car parts !!! It leaves a light oil film on metal and displaces water.

I have HAZMAT MSDS forms for those that really need to see them. E-mail me at samplawski@home.com.

or send SASE to:

GREGORY SAMPLAWSKI
8112 BLOSSOM LANE
LEMON GROVE, CA 91945

ATTENTION: CLEANING SOLVENT