Norinco Ammo

[Jacob]

Green boxes and grey boxes,,,have some of each,,one is lead core ammo,,both are non corrosive,,,what is the availibility of it at what cost per case or box per ammo.,,,thanks,,,,
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[Necron99]

Here's the deal. The stuff in the green boxes, should have a brown painted steel case. These are generally steel core bullets. This stuff is going for a premium these days (banned by ATF as "armor piercing")I've seen someone ask $10 for 20 rounds of the steel core. I don't know if he's getting that out of it though. The silvery grey boxes is lead core "match" ammunition. It should have a copper washed case. It is a fairly hot military load, hotter than most of 7.62X39 I've fired. Klinton banned Chinese ammo importation about three (?) years ago. I bought 10+ cases (Norinco copper washed) of this stuff for around $100-$110 shipped (1200 rnd cases) back in 93'-94'. Still have enough for a lifetime of shooting. I have never had it malfunction. Haven't seen it advertised on the market for years. It (the lead core stuff) really isn't worth any more than the stuff they're importing from other countries these days.

[Jacob]

Necron99 tyhanks for the info,,,,jacob

[Swiss one]

Oh, the brown painted ones are steel core?? http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif
What about the ones in the yellow pack??

The original Czech military ammo ( bxn code on strippers ) was steel core as well and pretty hot loaded, but the best of it was the stripper...much better made than the Chinese ones http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif

[General Ourumov]

That's odd. I've got some of the brown-painted case FMJ ammo, but the grey box indicates it is lead core. The ammo looks pretty well-made.

[Necron99]

Well if you want to know for sure, get out a magnet and see if the bullet is attracted to it. I've got a case of Norinco, green boxes, brown steel case that is steel core, but they brought in so much of the stuff that who really knows what is what. Yellow boxes? If I remember correctly, those had brown steel cases too, don't know what their bullet was. Any input Swissy? Haven't seen that stuff around here in years thanks to Komrade Klinton. Rumor has that the green ones make you horny! Or is that M&M's?!

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[Johan762]

Necron99:

Your idea is good, but unfortunately, it wonk work for this particular case. The Chinese make their bullets using steel jacket, which will also attract magnet. I know that the brown cased ammos aren't steel core, because I used to make holoow points out of them. These ammos have copper plated steel jacket and lead core. In fact just yesterday, I filed the bullet, revealing steel jacket under the copper plating, and when I cut the bullet in half, I "scooped" the core very easily, indicating that the core is lead. But like you said, some of those brown ammos may have steel core.

Johannes

[Swiss one]

Johan762 is right...the brown painted ammo I got is all lead core with a steel jacked ( at least the Czech army ammo is steel core for sure http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif

All Chinese arms and ammo was banned from importation by exective order by the President in 1994. The Norinco ammo came in green,gray/silver, and yellow boxes. FMJ/lead core and SP were in brown laqured cases. All the steel core I have seen was in copper washed cases. The color of the box doesn't determine the type of bullet as I have yellow box ammo in FMJ/leadcore and steel core. The SteelCore was marked on the box and the leadcore had no markings to indicate bullet composition.

[Devil Dog]

Box color and the "magnet test" will not identify a steel core projectile, neither will the case finish. The best way to determine
projectile type with the Brown lacquered steel cases is by the cannelure around the bullet at the case mouth. If the cannelure is smooth, it is steel core. If the cannelure is
serrated, it is lead cored. Identifying core type in other case finish types is not as easy. Factory "71" uses the serrated cannelure for lead core bullets, but the others, mainly factory 31, 51 and 61, do not have specific identifying features. Some later production from factory"31" used a green case mouth seal for identifying lead cored bullets. The best way to determine core type is to cut the bullet in half and see if there is a steel core in it.

D.D.

[AK KRAZY !!!]

I got a case of blue. one yellow, one green, one green/white, one silver, most purchased in 92-93, steel core, lead core, apple core, whatever, this is one mean bullet. I have personnaly tried these rounds on different types of media, and yes steel core does penetrate a little deeper than anything else in metal plate, all 7.62x39 I have fired impresses me. Too bad I only have a few cases reseved , worse still it was 99 cents a box whosale $2.00 retail. Thats what chaps my butt. Used to shoot all day at the range for $20.00. Thank yor elected officials for the changes and price increases.

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AK KRAZY !!!

[Jacob]

Thanks for all the input on it,,,,Jacob

[Necron99]

No wonder Klinton banned the stuff....he was just trying to protect us consumers from all the confusion generated by the avalanche of Chinese ammo imported! Wasn't that nice of him! Anyway, it sounds like Devil Dog is the final authority on this. I appreciate the education as much as the next guy. To make matters even more confusing, my green boxes just say 7.62X39mm Steel Case, but they fit Devil Dog's description of steel core bullets, headstamp 71 93. Since you guys got my curiousity up, I cracked open another case of Chinese 7.62X39. To my surprise it was packed in the fancy schmancy Norinco/Chinasports boxes that go from red and fade to brown, it is clearly labeled berdan primed, steel case, non-corrosive, lead core, 122gr fmj. Copperwashed case, headstamp 31 92. Wow, more flavors than Baskin Robbins!

[Bryant]

The reason Clinton banned that steel core is because some idiot made an AR pistol that could shoot the stuff. What I don't understand is why .223 is still available in steel core because just about all Ar's can be made to pistol configuration, so why the 7.62, i just don't know.

[Jacob]

alot of chat about whats allowed,,,,why is it I cannot shoot what I want and buy what I want as long as I have a safe place to shoot it with the proper backstop.???It started with Big Al and has snowballed into total ignorance and because of a few,,and we all have to pay for it,,,That is a total wrong and should be met with overkill in stopping it as the Law does with traffic violations much of the time.,,Total BS,,,IMHO,,,,,

It wasn't some idiot that made a 7.62x39mm AR-15 pistol it was Olympic Arms. I'll never buy anything they make.

[Jacob]

Thats kosher,you may not buy from them if you don't want.Thats the way it use to be with everything.,,,but because you do not want to doesn't mean all others should not,,thats their option.,,,,Thats what we all are loosing,,OUR OPTION,,that stinks,its not right and will never be.,,Wonder why we had so many wars and what the reason was???Think it had something to do with domination??? Take a look around you now with all your options.,,,,,LOL,,,Jacob